Concerning Final Fantasy 7, 10, and 12.

[Diablo2000]

Altough I don't like, I admit that FFVII is a good game, not the "OMFGBESTGAMEEVAR!!!!111!ELEVEN!" that some peole make it to be.

Final Fantasy X, has it's moments, but that's about it.

Final Fantasy XII, I really, really tryied to like that game, but I couldn't. I learn kinda to like the combat, but in 20 hours of game the fucking plot has getting anywhere and Vaan the suppose protagonist has absolutly nothing to do with the whole plot it self.

 

[Void Droid]

Simply put it all comes down to personal taste, if you enjoyed the games then who cares what other people think.

VII for me was the best FF game (not the best game ever, just best FF) because I liked the characters, I liked the setting, adored the Materia system and as I don't believe graphics make a game I found the blocky look both quirky and fun.

X I enjoyed the battle system, being able to change characters mid battle, using the summons as additional characters was great, even the storyline wasn't too bad but I just did not like any of the characters, just didn't click with me.

XII is an interesting one for me and for the last month or so I've wanted to go back and play it but don't own a copy. I loved the instant freedom, you could level up at the start and go almost anywhere. I enjoyed designing the characters battle style, if I wanted someone to be an archer, even if they cutscene says otherwise then I'd make them an archer and it would work. Characters not so great but I enjoyed the battle system, it was a nice change and when it came to the gambit system the few times it annoyed me the game gave me the option to NOT use it and still input manually.

It seems like more people have a problem with the games (years after the release as pointed out all ready) because the complainers are the people who shout loudest, most people who like a game are happy to accept it and get on with playing.

 

[Sajuuk-khar]

X isn't really disliked a lot I think. Sure there's some people who hate it, but a lot who liked it. I liked X as well mostly. I really don't know about XII cause I haven't played it. From what I've heard the game just isn't much fun to play even though it's trying to be more of an oldskool jRPG.

Ah but VII. Well my personal opinion is that VII is just an average game. It's not very bad, but it's definitely not the eighth wonder of the world either the fans make it out to be. And that's the problem: VII has a lot of bizarre hardcore fanboys who think Cloud/Sephiroth are the greatest, deepest, prettiest characters ever. Lot's of people disagree with that, including me. Besides that the argument is that VII is style over substance and that it's gathered a lot of it's popularity because it was the first 3D FF people played.

As for me, VI is the best.

 

[Eefness]

From what I gathered X wasn't considered that bad. Although I've only been looking in forums the last few years and the hate for X could have been really bad like XIII but since it's been so long so many people have forgotten their hatred for it. I find the hate and love for X to be fairly even.

As for me.

I absolutely love X and it's my favourite of the series. Actually, it's my favourite game of all time.

I found VII to be very good.

And I found XII to be overall good.

I can understand if someone hates X and XII but, the things that annoyed most people in them didn't really annoy me. Although I do agree with most people that XIIs story was very slow in some areas.

Well most people I find seem to hate 10 solely for Tidus and 12 solely for Vann (Though I somewhat agree) but that is something I never got, in 10 you really didn't have that much of a choice in Tidus but for the most part the game was good, and in 12 Vann basically took a backseat after the first couple of hours. Hell in all my playthroughs I never used his tattooed chest muscled ass.

Although I do agree 10 is amazing. It did the battle system perfectly.

As far as FFXII goes, I only played the first hour or so of it and can't really tell you what I think. From what I did play, I can say it felt like they were trying to inject a little bit of WRPG into the series.

For the most part people kept complaining over and over and over that they didn't individually select each and every single move you teammates performed. But I thought that was a good change. Before it felt like everyone in your party were idiots but in 12 it felt like you were giving commands. Although I have to say I think 13 was trying to go for a refined version of what 12 did but completely screwed it up.



<_< I just really wish my PS3 wasn't the only model that isn't backwards compatible. That pissed me off more than anything.

 

[Sniper Team 4]

Here's a curve ball for you:

Final Fantasy VIII is my favorite. HA!

Honestly, it is. I like the characters the most, the world the most, and the gameplay the most out of all of them. Yeah, I'm weird like that.

I've never actually heard of FF fans hating X. They always say it's the best out of the series. I disagree (see above), but I did enjoy it--and X-2 for that matter (Okay, yeah...this guy's insane. I know you're all thinking that now)

IX was all right, but not really my cup of tea. I've only played it once.

FFVII holds a special place in people's hearts--mine included--which is why it is so popular. There are so many reasons people defend that game, and I'm sure you've heard them all: Great story, memorable characters, amazing battle system, first 3D JRPG in the West, first RPG people ever played, Sephiroth, great music...
And then, of course, there is the list of reasons why people hate it: Horrible plot, cliche characters, materia was too confusing, graphics were bad, the typos were painful, stupid Emo Cloud, Aeris nagged, Sephiroth is a cardboard villain...
The list goes on for both sides. Personally, I think it's an amazing game.

XII I did not like because, to me, it screwed up what makes a Final Fantasy game: The characters. None of them were special. Everyone could use everyone else' weapon or skill, you never really got to go find out the backstory of any of them (I'm referring to how you could go on entire quests in the other games to learn about the characters) and none of them really had any real character to them.
Also, I know many people loved the gambit system, but I felt there was a serious problem when I could put the controller on the floor and the game would play itself and not need my input.

 

[Shirokurou]

I loved 7.
8 is my favorite, but probably due to Nostalgia.
9, I still can't finish, even playing it on the PS3.
10 I absolutely loved.
12 was meh... The story sucked.
13 was OK.

Dirge of Cerberus was fuckin' awesome... for that type of game.
Crisis Core had great set pieces. Specifically the ending.

 

[AzureRaven]

Disclaimer: I'm not stating these for fact, it's just my opinion, so don't bite my head off.

I liked 7 a lot, mainly the combat/materia system, I liked how that worked.
8 is good, but...I can never get used to the draw thing...and...it's reeeaaally easy to abuse. Still great though.
9 is probably my absolute favorite. It was the first I played and I just looove the story. Plus compared to the others it's hard to really -break- the game by being overpowered.(In my opinion, I could be wrong, I admit that.)
10 is a lot of fun for me. I like the solid story, and the sphere grid was really neat. Wish I'd have gotten the PAL version though.
12...I've never played but I just can't get into the story. Nothing against it...just my personal taste.
13 had a decent story, cool characters...but that combat system was just too bizarre for me. It worked, and it's not bad, but I guess I'm just weird.

As for 6 and before...they're interesting to say the least but I just couldn't get into all of them the way I could the 3D ones. They're still good, and fun to play, great games, but they didn't flow that well to me. Then again, never played 5 or 6. 5 I never tried and 6 because Kefka's fanboys need to stop raving over him. Idc that he attained godhood...he's still a clown.

 

[Phoenix_XIII]

Ok.

But to respond to your question about VII, X, and XII, I'll give you my two bits.

The story for FFVII literally makes no sense, at least not for the first 20-30 hours of play, and that is a very bad thing. At least in FFX you had no clue what sin was or what happened to your home or the summoners have to do to defeat Sin, but it was clear that those were going to be answered progressively as the game went on. That's why, in spite of its other flaws (terrible voice acting, to name one) FFX was a decent, engaging game.

Not so for FFVII. The problem that I've seen is that most FFVII fans are also anime fans, and anime fans don't mind when their stories don't make any sense so long as they have dudes with spiky hair and big swords, and so long as the general feel of the game is "awesome" and the girls in game are hot they don't mind the fact that the story is nonsense and that it takes 20 hours to even scratch the surface of what the hell's going on. Add to that that the gameplay is super slow paced, and it's really not that great of a game. Apart from the fact that it popularized JRPGs amongst the general public, it hasn't accomplished much.

As far as FFXII goes, I only played the first hour or so of it and can't really tell you what I think. From what I did play, I can say it felt like they were trying to inject a little bit of WRPG into the series.

With 7 they went back and answered things with Last Order and Crisis Core.

 

[Eefness]

Here's a curve ball for you:

Final Fantasy VIII is my favorite. HA!

Honestly, it is. I like the characters the most, the world the most, and the gameplay the most out of all of them. Yeah, I'm weird like that.

I've never actually heard of FF fans hating X. They always say it's the best out of the series. I disagree (see above), but I did enjoy it--and X-2 for that matter (Okay, yeah...this guy's insane. I know you're all thinking that now)

IX was all right, but not really my cup of tea. I've only played it once.

FFVII holds a special place in people's hearts--mine included--which is why it is so popular. There are so many reasons people defend that game, and I'm sure you've heard them all: Great story, memorable characters, amazing battle system, first 3D JRPG in the West, first RPG people ever played, Sephiroth, great music...
And then, of course, there is the list of reasons why people hate it: Horrible plot, cliche characters, materia was too confusing, graphics were bad, the typos were painful, stupid Emo Cloud, Aeris nagged, Sephiroth is a cardboard villain...
The list goes on for both sides. Personally, I think it's an amazing game.

XII I did not like because, to me, it screwed up what makes a Final Fantasy game: The characters. None of them were special. Everyone could use everyone else' weapon or skill, you never really got to go find out the backstory of any of them (I'm referring to how you could go on entire quests in the other games to learn about the characters) and none of them really had any real character to them.
Also, I know many people loved the gambit system, but I felt there was a serious problem when I could put the controller on the floor and the game would play itself and not need my input.

Ehhh different spokes for different blokes. I simply couldn't stand 8's story and found the game a bit too easy. The Junction system was pretty good but I found it a bit convoluted.

Oh your not that insane either, I found the job system in 10-2 to be awesome, brought a lot of variety to the game (though the story was a bit wonky and ........ cutetsy, also Riku was still a bit too jailbait but meh). I just need to get a used PS2 some time so I can play through it. So far I dont have one anymore, my PS3 apparently isn't backwards compatible, and Emulators dont work.

As Ive said, I really liked the battle system from 12, it took out a lot of the busywork and still provided a good bit of strategy. I mean pressing X to attack for the 100,000th time get tedious after awhile. And yea the job system in the game wasn't done all that well, but this is one thing that really pissed me off. See in the PAL version everyone had a different setup and secret licenses you could only unlock with certain Aeons. It was a MUCH better system and gave everyone their own flavor. BUT in the North American release they dumbed it way down and completely removed the uniqueness. I had to mod my PS2 to play the PAL version (which I still have).

 

[Defense]

Final Fantasy VII is hated now because it's popular. Not a single soul back then was complaining about it or talking about how Final Fantasy xyz was so much better.

Final Fantasy X had a lot of problems itself, but it's the same as Final Fantasy VII. Like VII, X is still highly regarded as one of the best games of its generation.

I haven't played Final Fantasy XII, but it seems like people are just whining because it's popular. It has a 94 on Metacritic and it's made by Matsuno himself, so it can't be that bad.

That's X not XII.

Also, there's nothing wrong with that clip and I'd be willing to bet most of the people that laugh at how silly it is do goofy things and think they're hilarious.

That clip was just bad localization, not Tidus trying to be goofy....

It's nowhere near as bad in the JP version.

But even if it were, their could've been a billion better and more natural ways to do achieve that goal. Just look at EVERY sitcom.

It's all about context bro. From what I got last time I played the game, it was supposed to be awkward and groan-worthy.

I loved 7.
8 is my favorite, but probably due to Nostalgia.
9, I still can't finish, even playing it on the PS3.
10 I absolutely loved.
12 was meh... The story sucked.
13 was OK.

Dirge of Cerberus was fuckin' awesome... for that type of game.
Crisis Core had great set pieces. Specifically the ending.

The price of freedom sure is steep.

The story for FFVII literally makes no sense, at least not for the first 20-30 hours of play, and that is a very bad thing. At least in FFX you had no clue what sin was or what happened to your home or the summoners have to do to defeat Sin, but it was clear that those were going to be answered progressively as the game went on. That's why, in spite of its other flaws (terrible voice acting, to name one) FFX was a decent, engaging game.

Are you serious? Final Fantasy VII was crystal clear when it came to basic story. You blow up a reactor, go to another reactor, help Aerith, save Tifa, and try to keep Sector 7(was that the sector?) from being crushed.

As far as FFXII goes, I only played the first hour or so of it and can't really tell you what I think. From what I did play, I can say it felt like they were trying to inject a little bit of WRPG into the series.

That makes sense, considering Matsuno is probably the most WRPG you can get in Japan when it comes to setting. All of his games are set in Medieval Europe with politics being a main aspect of the story.

ALL, and I mean ALL final fantasy games are horrible. Empty, soulless creation with as much depth as a cardboard cutout...

It sounds like it's time to stop posting buddy.

 

[Eefness]

ALL, and I mean ALL final fantasy games are horrible. Empty, soulless creation with as much depth as a cardboard cutout...

.................... well I dont like ponies ...................



See how useless that was, please elaborate.

D:
I thought 10 was awesome, I sunk hundreds of hours into that game, still gotta get around to finishing it though :/
10-2 on the other hand was total arse.

Ehhh I kinda liked 10-2, and not just because of the fan service. The job system is great!

 

[Defense]

ALL, and I mean ALL final fantasy games are horrible. Empty, soulless creation with as much depth as a cardboard cutout...

Gonna elaborate, or just leave this here like a pile of crap on the living room floor?

Kinda. There is no need to elaborate on something that is not worth the time to play but enough to comment on!

"It's not worth playing this game!"

"They're all shallow games!"

You need to work on your trolling Rainbow Dash.

 

[Jimmybobjr]

I agree with absolutrly nothing you have said. Number 8 is my favourite final fantasy ever, 10 is often regarded as one of the greatest final fantasys, and the last great final fantasy, and i personaly adore final fantasy 12.

I never played final fantasy 7, due to it being before my time, but i ahve played the re-released versions of final fantasy one and two on the Ipod, and final fantasy three on the DS.

The only final fantasy i truly hate is 13. I hate it witha passion- not because its a horrible game, but because SquareEnix made a final fantasy into horrible game.