Conflict between Palestine and Israel escalates

[crimson5pheonix]

Biden wins Michigan primary but sheds support over Gaza

Campaign to vote ‘uncommitted’ in protest of Biden’s support of Israel shows Arab American and young voters’ fury in swing state

www.theguardian.com

Campaign in protest of Biden's continuing support of Israel encouraged voters in Michigan to vote 'uncommitted' in the Primary. It far exceeded expectations, reaching 13% of the vote.

A pretty strong indication that Biden is losing support among the young and Arab-Americans over this issue. Even aside from the simple morality, it's not even good domestic politics.

It should be mentioned 13% worked out to over 100,000 votes. It should also be mentioned Hillary lost by ~11,000 votes and Biden won by ~150,000 votes in Michigan in the last two elections.

 

[XsjadoBlayde]

 

[crimson5pheonix]

Well I don't know about that, that might be a bit out of pocke-

 

[Specter Von Baren]

To state that the us pulling out would have no impact is so fundamentally untrue it can only be read as willful ignorance or deception at this point, especially from you.

and to call it a conflict after 75 yrs of "Israeli" occupation is absurd and disgusting
You're lies and neutrality are obfuscating of obvious visible genocide that is desperately and poorly trying to be hidden by its perpetrators.

and you really smell like dog buns

Ah yes, especially from the guy that still remembers how all of you bought into that "hospital bombing". You all ready to admit that you got conned about that one yet or are you still on the "Uh, uh, well, we don't- we don't KNOW for sure what happened!" kick?

You seeing this as genocide shows how much of a sheltered and ignorant child you are.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

Ah yes, especially from the guy that still remembers how all of you bought into that "hospital bombing". You all ready to admit that you got conned about that one yet or are you still on the "Uh, uh, well, we don't- we don't KNOW for sure what happened!" kick?

You seeing this as genocide shows how much of a sheltered and ignorant child you are.

Which hospital? Israel has bombed basically every hospital in Gaza and this has been confirmed by anyone whose head is not firmly up their own ass like you.


I trust MSF, I don't trust you.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Yeah, I thought the thing about the first hospital bombing sorta faded to irrelevance after Israel attacked all the other hospitals.

 

[hanselthecaretaker2]

good domestic politics hasn't really been the aim of the Democratic party for quite some time now. It is a feeding trough for consultants that prioritizes crushing any threat from its left and maintaining approximate parity with the Republicans. If the Republicans are awful (and they regularly are), it adjusts itself to be similarly ghastly to keep the balance close to 50/50 of those who bother to participate in the scam (the Democrats would rather have a strong Republican party than win every election, as a weak Republican party might accidentally collapse and then something better might step into the vacuum).

Anyway, yes, facilitating genocide does not seem on balance to be a vote winner for Biden. Subservience to Israel must become electoral poison. Perhaps eventually we can tar and feather the CUFI and AIPAC board of directors as well. Exorcising these demons from our politics would be a positive development; one small step toward being actually democratic.

All that needs to happen is for the vast majority of the American populace becoming aware of what the rest of the world already knows. Better yet if it happens a few months before November.

 

[Seanchaidh]

Ah yes, especially from the guy that still remembers how all of you bought into that "hospital bombing". You all ready to admit that you got conned about that one yet or are you still on the "Uh, uh, well, we don't- we don't KNOW for sure what happened!" kick?

You seeing this as genocide shows how much of a sheltered and ignorant child you are.

IDF Sent in Handcuffed Prisoner to Evacuate Hospital, Then Killed Him When He Left

Israel sent a handcuffed Palestinian prisoner into Gaza’s Nasser Hospital to order an evacuation, then killed him when he left.

theintercept.com

 

[Seanchaidh]

 

[Casual Shinji]

The naked denial of genocide by anyone with working eyes and a brain at this point... Very unkindly go fuck yourself!

Even the pro-Israel side isn't denying the bombing of hospitals anymore, seeing as Gaza is now the surface of the Moon, and you're bringing this is up as a smear?! Wow, are you ever a sad and pathetic individual.

 

[soreeyes]

Ah yes, especially from the guy that still remembers how all of you bought into that "hospital bombing". You all ready to admit that you got conned about that one yet or are you still on the "Uh, uh, well, we don't- we don't KNOW for sure what happened!" kick?

You seeing this as genocide shows how much of a sheltered and ignorant child you are.

to second casual shinji a very unkindly go fuck yourself

ur petulant self assuredness and frothing desire for murder are plainly stated for everyone to see

you attempt to make this unconscionable evil banal like its not backed by the most insulated of genocidal fascist narcs on the planet (US/UK/IS**L) and I can only hope you ALL receive what you dish out

Actually I hope you shrivel alone abandoned and solemn in a corner before you hurt anyone else

and you smell like dog buns

 

[crimson5pheonix]

It has since been edited to be slightly better.

 

[Seanchaidh]

 

[hanselthecaretaker2]

 

[Gergar12]

In my opinion both the Gaza Strip and Israel need to be occupied by the US. Gaza Strip for 2 years, Israel for 20-50 years. When China was invaded by Japan plus the genocide, and the raping and etc. Japan was later occupied by the US. I don’t trust anyone else with this job. If it’s China or Russia doing it vs the US it’s another Warsaw Pact moment. If it’s the EU doing it it’s another European colonialism project and the EU won’t occupied either side that long anyway due to its multiparty system giving way to cranks who wouldn’t punish either side enough. John Stewart thinks we need a North v South Korea moment. All that did was oppressed North Koreans by the Kim family and forced South Korea to be a corrupt democracy who is rich but is suffering due to high school and work culture due to fear from North Korea and its benefactors China and then USSR now Russia hence the need to increase GDP since a strong economy means a stronger military.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Not seeing why an EU occupation would be more colonial than a US one. Or why the US is free from politicians who wouldn't punish certain parties enough.

Actually, China occupying it, while obviously not going to happen, would at least not have the US's enormous cultural baggage.

 

[Gergar12]

Not seeing why an EU occupation would be more colonial than a US one. Or why the US is free from politicians who wouldn't punish certain parties enough.

Actually, China occupying it, while obviously not going to happen, would at least not have the US's enormous cultural baggage.

The problem is the EU wouldn’t fund it enough due to pressure from populists like your Le Pens, and your Italys.

Edit: Then they would slowly abandon it after a few years. Whereas the US did occupy Germany and Japan after World War 2 for long periods of time.

 

[Thaluikhain]

The problem is the EU wouldn’t fund it enough due to pressure from populists like your Le Pens, and your Italys.

Well, no, but nobody would. See Iraq and Afghanistan, a half-hearted attempt that was dragged out and then quietly forgotten. Or Vietnam, for that matter. Japan and Germany were peer threats in WW2, and located right next to the peer threat for WW3, they had to be taken seriously.

If people cared about the ongoing genocide of Palestinians they could have done something generations ago.

 

[Bedinsis]

A video posted a few days ago, providing historical context as well as commentary of the conflict right now:


I didn't know that Biden in particular had taken a firm pro-Israeli stance in the past.

 

[XsjadoBlayde]

Ofer Cassif, member of the Israeli Knesset representing the Hadash coalition, discusses the recent failed effort to expel him for Israeli parliament due to his support of the case against Israel that South Africa has brought in front of the International Court of Justice (ICJ).

https://twitter.com/ofercass?ref_src=...

Ofer Cassif joins the program to discuss the details surrounding the failed attempt to expel him from the Knesset, the attitudes towards Israel’s offensive in Gaza among the broader Israeli public, what, if any investigations into the violence on Oct. 7th are underway regarding potential further implication of IDF soldiers in some of the violence that took place, and how the “judicial reform” efforts of pre-Oct. 7th by Netanyahu and Likud both precipitated current attitudes towards the Israeli offensive and against the people of Gaza. Cassif emphasizes that empathy and support for victims of Oct. 7th at the hands of Hamas doesn’t obviate empathy and support for victims in Gaza at the hand of Israeli forces, and highlights how ruthless some of the reactions have been towards families of Israeli hostages who are calling for an extended ceasefire so that their family members can have a chance at safe passage home to Israel, that is to say if they’re still alive.