I'm sure they understand, it's just not a problem for them personally.
Conflict between Palestine and Israel escalates
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"From the river to the sea, Israel blew the balls off me."
Okay fine, I jest, I don't like kids getting amputated, and children being blown up any more than you guys, but for some reason that joke just struck me... kind of like the pagers, radios, and walkie-talkies to Hezbollah.
Okay fine, I jest, I don't like kids getting amputated, and children being blown up any more than you guys, but for some reason that joke just struck me... kind of like the pagers, radios, and walkie-talkies to Hezbollah.
Possibly not.
But then, that's a problem with siege mentality. "No-one likes us, we don't care", as the Millwall FC fans used to chant (Millwall was especially connected with football hooliganism). If everyone hates you, easier to ignore what they say and ramp up self-protection even further.
However, potentially just at the moment the problem isn't just Israel, it's specifically Netanyahu. The minute he stops being PM, he's up on corruption charges (Netanyahu is rumoured to have led a political life of spectacular and brazen corruption.) The Hamas assault shattered his party's popularity, because one of his big promises was keeping Israel safe and on that occasion it catastrophically failed.
This neverending slaughter is about maintaining conflict so that it's hard to remove him (Israel being "at war"), and hopefully to give time for his poll numbers to recover. That's why he's effectively got so many of the hostages he was supposed to recover killed. To Netanyahu, the aim has never been to recover the hostages. He doesn't care if Palestinians die and he doesn't even care if Israelis die, so long as the end he's still the biggest fish in his small pond.
Polls of Israelis, their other politicians, public discourse and social media suggest that the problem is not so specifically Netanyahu. Seems like an utterly irredeemable society.
No, we're not.
The Lebanese, and lots of other people in the Middle East are going to die for Israel. The USA lets Israel do this because the USA isn't likely to get much fallout.
I wish I had your optimism but eventually, Israel is going to push someone too far and get punched back hard. They'll then demand The US steps in and I have very little in my doubt that Harris or Trump wouldn't give that to them...
By whom Iran? The country with its strongest proxy force communication network in the Middle East was destroyed via a James Bond trick due to poor supply chain security. I am pretty sure Israel could handle Iran by itself without resorting to nukes just with cyberattacks on Iranian oil infrastructure with attacks on Kargil island if the US left them alone, and what would happen is oil prices would shoot up. Trump would get reelected, the most anti-Iranian American leader ever since Eisenhower, and then Iran may get American warplanes taking out their nuclear sites if they fire ballistic missiles into Israel.
Believe it or not, Israel has the better position here vs. Biden, who they likely know was old or at least could make calculations based on it. If Harris loses, Biden's legacy will be done, and it wouldn't matter how much he created two infrastructure deals and handled the tail-end of COVID.
that already doesn't matter.
he won't be president for that, so he can hardly have handled it.
Biden lets israel spit in his mouth for no particularly compelling reason. It seems that he is just committed to the genocide of Palestine and using the standard Democratic Party tactic of deliberately ineffective opposition in order to make sure it happens. He could simply stop funding and arming the terrorist regime that calls itself israel. He does not.
He could also have just continued funding and arming them to their normal amounts, rather than increasing it when they stepped up their terrorism.
a less powerful option but, given the absolutely absurd volume of explosives used against Gaza, still probably effective at changing the occupier's behavior.
The US is stepping in, apparently, though it's not clear that Lebanon has punched them that hard. Glass jaw, perhaps.
Israeli and Jewish donors > small dollar progressive donations. That is Biden's calculation.
He doesn't want to live under Trump over two Iranian proxy group's egos.
Fucking hell they keep escalating.
yeah, the Zionist terror state wants to keep doing the genocide and for no one to fight back. and other people want them to stop doing the genocide. Biden and company are firmly on the side of the Zionist terror state despite the leadership of that state continually embarrassing him and a loud movement in the US to stop support the Zionist terror state.
Clinton outspent Trump in 2016. Money, while important, is not everything.
In a sense, yeah, but in another, not really. This is the new normal, Israel needs to be bombing someone, now that Gaza is wrecked they have to find some other victims.
I saw new in that they've been doing this for years, just the scale jumped up starting last year.
As I understand it, it's not Israeli and/or Jews he's courting this way, its weird US conservative Christians that have odd ideas on the Holy Land.
And if he really wanted Trump not to win that badly, he could try being something better than just the lesser evil. If Trump gets back in, locking Biden up is something I wouldn't really hold against him, but for different reasons than Trump has.
They already have, in a way. Iran send a load of drone and missiles at Israel a few months back, and the US and UK had to provide a load of air cover for Israel to shoot them all down.
There aren't any severe threats to Israel's integrity because of who it borders. Jordan and Lebanon are small, weak countries that have never been that interested in hostilities. The serious opponents are Syria and Egypt, but Syria is a basket case and Egypt is the major country that Israel takes seriously and doesn't much fuck with. (Plus, the USA also funds Egypt handsomely to help keep things sweet.) So as long as Egypt is kept peaceable, no-one who matters can get a conventional land army to Israel and the US and allies are saved the risk of "boots on the ground".
