Console Gaming

[Silent Biohazard Solid]

I mostly agree with Yahtzee on the Motion Control issue. Not a fan of it, and frankly, I simply didn't think that normal controllers were not 'immersive' enough.
But my biggest issue with the motion control conventions of today is exactly something that MovieBob defended... The Cursor. Now, maybe it's okay for menus to have a cursor and click on them, but I see so many Wii games having the cursor on screen all the time when it's not needed. And that's just extra HUD that clogs up the screen, and takes away immersion.

I'm not a fan of Dead Space, quite frankly, I thought the game was kind of boring. But the fact that it integrated the ammo and health bars right into the character and cleared up the screen, so there's no actual HUD was brilliant. That's what more games need to do. If you absolutely NEED to have a HUD, then fine. If you can get rid of it, then great. But what's the point in having a constant cursor in a game like Silent Hill Shattered Memories, where you don't even have a gun, and no means to aim and shoot? Or Resident Evil 4, which had a perfectly fine laser tageting system, that didn't need a giant crosshair reminding me that I'm not actually in the game, but just the guy with the controller.
If you say that motion controllers take us a step forward when it comes to immersion, then I say that those big annoying constantly present cursors take us two steps back.

 

[robinkom]

Have to agree with Yahtzee yet again. I don't want to swing the bloody controller around to accomplish any in-game functions! When Nintendo added the Motion Plus to the Wii Remote I thought that maybe it would be a tad more bearable, that is until I played my 6 year old nephew in the Swordplay mini-game on Wii Sports Resort where he proceeded to frantically jump up and down with his controller, flailing his arms around like he had just won the lottery. Yes, he beat me with all the sugar-generated energy of a child that's had too many chocolates. Even with 1:1 motion ratio, it's still a broken piece of shit.

When I finally tried Kinect, I never felt more handicapped with a lack of control over my glitchy and lagged experience. Did not even have something to hold or a button to press, yes, I would like to just quit now, thank you. A mate of mine bought one of these devices and he was so excited as he feverishly squawked my ear off about it for days and how much fun he has. Were our friendship not closer, I would have promptly jabbed him in the throat because at least then I would be accomplishing such an action for real and not in a broken video game.

As for PlayStation Move, no. Never. I refuse to partake in such lollipop-like nonsense. The only thing making it slightly better than Kinect is that there's a controller to hold, that is until you remember that that makes it like the Wii controls and equally shitty.

 

[tehannihalator]

Currently I think motion controls are like techno remixes of songs.They help make some songs so much more interesting but otherwise they get much more repetitive and exhausting

 

[RobfromtheGulag]

I agree primarily with Yahtzee - no need for motion control, but a bit with James on his counter - the potential of motion gaming hasn't yet been fully explored.

My rejoinder to 'why don't you like sports video games' has always been 'If you can actually do what they're doing in a game, put down the controller and go do it'. I'm not as flabby as Yahtzee imagines but I still can't jump 6' up a vertical wall and then wall kick another 6' ala Dante.

 

[AVATAR_RAGE]

Hands up who fully agrees with Yahtzee, yet again.

Yeah I did


*raises hand*

 

[alexjones89]

Awesome idea! Awesome outcome!

 

[SilverUchiha]

Is there any way we can put this into an audio format? I'd love to see them argue in that style more than reading it.

Granted, this was massively entertaining and insightful. I'm not surprised Yahtzee is the one to start up the conflict.

 

[hem dazon 90]

I think this is a great idea. But why is Movie Bob a part of it? Can it just be Yahtzee and James?

Bob has a show over on www.screwattack.com called the GameOverthinker which is really awesome if you've never checked it out, the earlier episodes are on Youtube.

Seriously go check it out, if you like videogame relates rants they're awesome.

You mean that terrible, biased farce of a show?

Bob is good at reviewing movies but hot damn is he a fanboy.

 

[SanguineSymphony]

Not to be an ass but did any of you who disagreed with Bob PLAY No More Heroes? I generally hate waggle but it was immensely satisfying in THAT game. It was also fun for a bit in Donkey Kong Country Returns. Like all gaming BOTH should be an option. There were times in NMH that the controls were frustrating to me and I wish I could map them differently. And I felt that way a LOT in DKCR. But those were specific actions that I didn't feel made sense in their context or simply asked for too many movements at once.

As an example I love the ground pound in DCKR. BUT I hate how you have to waggle to roll. Its such a precise movement it kills the momentum. I didn't like the Waggle for NMH Bike Jumps but for the kills it was GREAT and I wish it were incorporated into more games.

 

[SanguineSymphony]

Is there any way we can put this into an audio format? I'd love to see them argue in that style more than reading it.D

Seconded. This needs to be implemented NOW if possible. If they're going to talk about how lazy I am its an affront to have to read it...

 

[Supernova2000]

Hands up who fully agrees with Yahtzee, yet again.

[Raises hand] Aye! The sooner Kinect and Move die the sonner we can move on and look forward to good games because controller technology was already perfected over a decade ago! Consider the changes that were made to the Playstation controller from PS1 to PS3: apart from colour, the PS3 having Sixaxis, pressure-sensitive controls and the new power/menu button between Start and Select, the designs are exactly the same.

"You are the controller" is such a glaringly flawed statement; there's still a controller involved, only now there's an even greater delay between thought and on-screen response, as well as an added uncertainty as to whether or not you get the indended result, such as waving "hello" when you meant to swing your sword. I'm still not the one chopping the ogres' head off, it's my on-screen avatar who's doing it. And for hayfever-sufferering players, it's automatically game over as soon as a sneezing fit comes on; at least with a standard controller, they can hit the pause button in time. And if you've broken both your legs then games are out of the question altogether. Ideally, if we want to pursue "motion" controls then it should be literally "You are defending your home from an ogre attack" as opposed to you remote-controlling said defender with vaguely relevant arm flails, whether you have a controller strapped to your wrist or not!

 

[Ian Meier]

Alright whoever thought of this needs to be awarded a medal. It's just awesome. Funny I never thought Yahtzee would agree with anyone about anything.

 

[hem dazon 90]

I think this is a great idea. But why is Movie Bob a part of it? Can it just be Yahtzee and James?

Bob has a show over on www.screwattack.com called the GameOverthinker which is really awesome if you've never checked it out, the earlier episodes are on Youtube.

Seriously go check it out, if you like videogame relates rants they're awesome.

You mean that terrible, biased farce of a show?

Bob is good at reviewing movies but hot damn is he a fanboy.

Im just impressed at his restraint I mean people attack him and he manages to occasionally add to discussions without even wasting a second of his time doing battle with the army of keyboard warriors whom "strongly disagree" with him even though he sound intelligent enough to tear most of them a new one.

Spell check is your friend.

And that is because all his arguments are "IF U LIEK M RATED GAMES AND GAEMS THAT R SERIOUS U R A JOCK11!". He is a fanboy and that is inarguable.

 

[Murgo]

Best idea for an Escapist series I've seen. The three greatest minds of the Escapist coming together to have a little chat about the industry. I love how comparable all of your writing styles are. It's like you're all actually here, having a little drunk post-dinner discussion.

 

[Xooiid]

Though I see the console/pc control games continuing on, I still see a great big area for the motion control crowd.

Hopefully, in the future, we can have a mix of the two. Maybe menu screens pop up 'minority report' style, allowing you to scroll through quickly without the controller, then return to a holographic 'controller' depending on the game. Imagining having the 'Steel Battalion' controller, without a controller. Just you, the interface and sweet, sweet massive robot action.

Then again, that'll happen when the Armored Core series gets bought out by Konami, hires Bioware to do the cutscenes, and becomes a mix of Gran Turismo and Zone of the Enders with a whole bunch of character development and a massive multiplayer setup.

Ah, one can dream. Now, excuse me while I dream of my own massive robot.

 

[zarix2311]

I hope we get more, I really like this!

 

[hem dazon 90]

I think this is a great idea. But why is Movie Bob a part of it? Can it just be Yahtzee and James?

Bob has a show over on www.screwattack.com called the GameOverthinker which is really awesome if you've never checked it out, the earlier episodes are on Youtube.

Seriously go check it out, if you like videogame relates rants they're awesome.

You mean that terrible, biased farce of a show?

Bob is good at reviewing movies but hot damn is he a fanboy.

Im just impressed at his restraint I mean people attack him and he manages to occasionally add to discussions without even wasting a second of his time doing battle with the army of keyboard warriors whom "strongly disagree" with him even though he sound intelligent enough to tear most of them a new one.

Spell check is your friend.

And that is because all his arguments are "IF U LIEK M RATED GAMES AND GAEMS THAT R SERIOUS U R A JOCK11!". He is a fanboy and that is inarguable.

I think he's admitted to being a fan boy in the episode of one of his shows he did about fan boyism. The arguments against him are usually even more stupid and generally boil down to "I feel but hurts so I'm going to say mean things about you" know I think if he wanted to he could just spend all of his time combating these people which I'm impressed that he does not because the temptation is their.

capacha here is a hint if you think any determined mass spammers have not created programs to bypass you(which they have) then there is a bridge in Brooklyn I would like to sell you.

Edit- and don't mess with me man I do 7 gram rocks like its nothin I GOT TIGER BLOOD

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And admitting your faults doesn't fix them. It only makes it worse because you refuse to fix them. And what bad arguments? That he is creepily obsessed with Nintendo? That he suffers from opinion myopia? That He is a decidedly sexist individual? All are pretty good arguments against him.

 

[westhamhaz]

Bob you are sooo blinded by your love for nintendo, now thats fine an all everyone loves nintendo games. But, your view of the industry is clearly clouded by this thus it makes taking any of your statements as genuinely gratifying as impossible, I was very glad to see yahtzee's response was pretty much the opposite of your whole "shaking the mote adds so much" speech. find one gamer who would risk wankers cramp when he could simply press B to spin mario instead what you HAVE to do on wii