Conspiracy theories you agree with

[AT God]

All conspiracy theories have to many facets for me to truly believe them, and especially the 9/11 conspiracy theories.

That said, of all the conspiracies that exist, the conspiracy about the plane that hit the Pentagon has always been very intriguing.

Watch this video, it has some stupid bits being a conspiracy video but it is easily the most well made conspiracy video I have ever watched and to top it off has some of the best music ever, Fight Club music!.

[link]http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm[/link]

Takes a while to load but it is a flash movie it will have the best resolution available.

I have never taken the time to look up each quote and each fact listed but the pictures all look legitimate and i doubt that they would openly quote CBS or the Pentagon in such an open manner.

Seriously watch the video, I want to know what others think of it.

All the other conspiracy theories have been too examined, the JFK assassination has been examined so many times that many of the theories are provably untrue, Oswald was a marksman, they proved that it wasn't a magic bullet trajectory, it was a straight shot, and it isn't implausible that someone with marksman training would be able to make that shot.

 

[Muspelheim]

I barely counts as a conspiracy theory, it's more of a very likely fact no one wants to acknowledge since there's no concrete proof either way. Nonetheless, when Swedish prime minister Olof Palme was murdered, it was a political assassination.

It's not really that strange that conspiracy theories flourish around that particular case. It was poorly handled from the start, and the official "canon" of sorts is ridiculously full of holes and circumstantial evidence that leads nowhere. Conspiracy theories is all we have reguarding that event. An outspoken statesman with plenty of enemies being silenced seems far more logical than the official theory, where an alcoholic loser gunned him down, believing he was an acquaintance of his he wanted to kill, anyway.

I doubt we'll ever know, either way. Or perhaps the politicians have a hunch, and that's why they've been so timid and docile ever since... Who knows. I certainly don't.

 

[BrassButtons]

- Oswald getting the shots off that quickly with that much accuracy using a bolt action rifle firing at a moving target even though he was not reputed to be a crack marksman

He wasn't one of the best, sure, but he was a trained marksman (he had been a sharpshooter at one point, but then in 1959 he got a lower score, so his designation dropped to marksman).

- How they identified and located Oswald so quickly

Because a guilty person can't be caught quickly?

- How Oswald was rather conveniently killed himself before he could stand trial also by someone supposedly acting alone

Because guilty people can't be the victim of murder?

- Eyewitnesses at the scene who reported hearing gunshots coming from the direction of the grassy knoll

Eyewitness testimony is the most unreliable evidence you will ever get. Humans are terrible at remembering things accurately.

- The magic bullet theory which is one of the most implausible things I've ever heard

Do tell us why a magic bullet would have been needed.

- "In contrast to the conclusions of the Warren Commission, the United States House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) concluded in 1978 that Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy.[6] The HSCA found the original FBI investigation and the Warren Commission Report to be seriously flawed." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_John_F._Kennedy#Conspiracy_theories

Why does the HSCA's opinion carry weight for you, but not the Warren Commission's?

 

[Quaxar]

- The magic bullet theory which is one of the most implausible things I've ever heard

Not just implausible, very much uninformed as well.
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[Hero of Lime]

I can't really name any specific conspiracy that I believe, but I have a general distrust of the government, especially with all these latest scandals and other older ones. So basically if I hear a conspiracy theory about the U.S. government doing something wrong or violating the constitution in some way, I won't outright believe it, but I won't be surprised if it's true.

 

[MetalDooley]

He wasn't one of the best, sure, but he was a trained marksman (he had been a sharpshooter at one point, but then in 1959 he got a lower score, so his designation dropped to marksman).

Exactly he wasn't one of the best.Even the best would have struggled to do what he supposedly did http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1556184/Oswald-had-no-time-to-fire-all-Kennedy-bullets.html

Because a guilty person can't be caught quickly?

He was identified and located within 2 hours.That's pretty quick for a time when things like the internet,cctv and gps didn't exist.I'm not saying it's not possible but it's pretty suspicious

Because guilty people can't be the victim of murder?

And you don't find anything suspicious about the fact that a guy who claimed he was a "patsy" was later assassinated himself

Eyewitness testimony is the most unreliable evidence you will ever get.Humans are terrible at remembering things accurately.

But it cannot be discounted either.Around 40 people testified to that.Are you claiming every single one of them was wrong

Do tell us why a magic bullet would have been needed.

I'm not the one who came up with the magic bullet nonsense.That was the Warren Commisions explanation

Why does the HSCA's opinion carry weight for you, but not the Warren Commission's?

They were appointed to review both the FBI investigation and the Warren Commission report years later and found them to both be seriously flawed.The WC were the ones who purported the magic bullet so that's why they don't hold any weight for me

 

[loc978]

I still have a hard time believing people actually regarded the NSA thing as a conspiracy, not after the information gone over during the protests about the Patriot act. This was just a case of willful public ignorance.

Also, JFK. Anyone who watches the video can tell what direction the second bullet came from. Did Oswald shoot him? Probably, once. Was that the bullet that killed him? No.

 

[Kolby Jack]

I think the conspiracy theories about a secret cabal of elites secretly running the world in secret might be true, however I'm not concerned by it. After all, "If you think you're free no escape is possible, but if you think you're free no escape is necessary." Do whatever you want, Illuminati or whoever; it doesn't really affect my life in any meaningful way.

Well...it's not a conspiracy theory unless its untrue, and I don't believe in anything that I think is untrue. In theory.

Not entirely true. The term has a negative association with bullshit, but when you get down to it all it means is that someone out there has a theory about an ongoing conspiracy. There have been some that have indeed been proven true in the past.

http://www.cracked.com/article_19884_6-insane-conspiracy-theories-that-actually-happened.html

But yes, generally the most outlandish ones are perfectly safe to ignore.

 

[Kinitawowi]

I'm fairly sure that the English government is only trying to push education reforms through because it allows them to feel smug and superior over us. A theory only reinforced by the number of times I've seen 'comparisons' between A level papers now and A level papers 20 years ago. It makes me want to mail one of my Further Maths papers to the editors and ask them to solve it.

Oh, please, that one's a lot more mundane than that - the Labour government's grand plan for education was to keep everybody in school until they were 18 and then get 50% of the population into uni simply because that was the easiest way to keep kids off the streets, not because it would result in an educated workforce. That ideology has since been replaced with the "everybody gets a trophy", teach-to-the-test equalisation that has only served to render education even more useles; league tables and targeting have made things worse.

Yeah, I'm still bitter that A**'s are being handed out like candy for papers that would have barely got a C during my GCSEs 17 years ago...

 

[BrassButtons]

Exactly he wasn't one of the best.Even the best would have struggled to do what he supposedly did http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1556184/Oswald-had-no-time-to-fire-all-Kennedy-bullets.html

That article also states that "The Italian findings will be hotly contested by those who believe that Oswald was a lone gunman - not least because they contradict firing tests previously conducted, using Oswald's actual rifle, by the FBI and the US Marines, and another study by Washington police marksmen using an identical gun."

It would be helpful if we knew what the specific qualifications were for being labeled a marksman, but I haven't been able to find that information.

He was identified and located within 2 hours.That's pretty quick for a time when things like the internet,cctv and gps didn't exist.I'm not saying it's not possible but it's pretty suspicious

What do you find suspicious? That Johnny Brewer saw Oswald behaving suspiciously in his (Brewer's) store? That Brewer kept an eye on him because of the suspicious activity, and thus saw him walk down the street and into a theater without paying? That Brewer told the ticket clerk? That the clerk phoned the police? That the police followed up on a report of suspicious activity from someone resembling the suspect in an assassination and a murder? A report that was made in an area where they believed the suspect to be, because he had just murdered a cop there?

And you don't find anything suspicious about the fact that a guy who claimed he was a "patsy" was later assassinated himself

Nope. Because 1) him claiming to be a "patsy" doesn't hold much weight (and be honest, if he confessed people would insist he did so because he was forced to) and 2) murders happen, including murders of murderers, and 3) unlikely events happen as well, such as a murderer being murdered two days before his trial.

But it cannot be discounted either.Around 40 people testified to that.Are you claiming every single one of them was wrong

Given the lack of any other evidence supporting the idea of a second shooter, yes.

I'm not the one who came up with the magic bullet nonsense.That was the Warren Commisions explanation

I'm asking you to explain why the bullet needs to be magic. Check the video Quaxar posted--it demonstrates that a normal bullet would have worked.

 

[Foolery]

All conspiracy theories have to many facets for me to truly believe them, and especially the 9/11 conspiracy theories.

That said, of all the conspiracies that exist, the conspiracy about the plane that hit the Pentagon has always been very intriguing.

Watch this video, it has some stupid bits being a conspiracy video but it is easily the most well made conspiracy video I have ever watched and to top it off has some of the best music ever, Fight Club music!.

[link]http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm[/link]

Takes a while to load but it is a flash movie it will have the best resolution available.

I have never taken the time to look up each quote and each fact listed but the pictures all look legitimate and i doubt that they would openly quote CBS or the Pentagon in such an open manner.

Seriously watch the video, I want to know what others think of it.

Well, the government claims the fire at the Pentagon was so hot that the titanium engines were melted, enormous metal wings incinerated, detachable vertical tail fins destroyed, seats and luggage consumed, metal framing obliterated, landing gear gone. A whole Boeing 757 essentially vaporized into molten rubble and dust. And yet DNA of 184 individuals somehow survived intact enough for positive identification. So yeah I don't get it either.

 

[Mycroft Holmes]

- Oswald getting the shots off that quickly with that much accuracy using a bolt action rifle firing at a moving target even though he was not reputed to be a crack marksman

Moving target? It was driving slowly practically straight towards him. That's one of the easiest targets to hit. Line up a shot and wait for them to come right into it. Also bolt actions are quick as hell so I have no idea what you're talking about there. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXZL83sAWLA

- How they identified and located Oswald so quickly

Because people are deaf and the president never travels with tons of secret service agents or has any police whatsoever guarding the parade.

- How Oswald was rather conveniently killed himself before he could stand trial also by someone supposedly acting alone

Now you're completely making up facts. Oswald didn't kill himself.

- Eyewitnesses at the scene who reported hearing gunshots coming from the direction of the grassy knoll

Eyewitnesses are notoriously fucking terrible to the point where they can't even get race or hair color correct.

- The magic bullet theory which is one of the most implausible things I've ever heard

Probably because it was made up by people who didn't take any time to view the footage or research any of the facts. I'm going to have to refer you to my last paragraph. No one sits facing straight ahead like a rigid fucking test dummy during a parade. They look at the crowd and wave. http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/sbt.htm And they used special seats so that Kennedy was higher up than governor Connally so he was more visible. And again. Parade. Watch the video he is sideways looking at the crowd.

- "In contrast to the conclusions of the Warren Commission, the United States House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) concluded in 1978 that Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy.[6] The HSCA found the original FBI investigation and the Warren Commission Report to be seriously flawed." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_John_F._Kennedy#Conspiracy_theories

So a bunch of elected representatives with no formal training in investigative techniques, ballistics, forensics or anything remotely related to determining anything about an assassination said that they thought the investigation were flawed and you believe them? We are talking about the same body of elected officials that think the science is still out on evolution and global warming, right?

These are laymen who won popularity contests. You shouldn't be taking their opinions at face value for anything.

Now I'll freely admit that I haven't done in-depth research into this but I just believe there's too many questions to take the official story that Oswald acted alone at face value

Questions mean nothing if their answers are bolt actions fire faster than you think. Firing at a slow moving target moving almost directly at you without swerving is easy. People don't sit rigidly in place when they are at parades, they twist sideways to look at the crowd. Eyewitnesses are unbelievably bad and will almost always contradict objectively provable evidence. It's insanely impossible to shoot someone from so close who is surrounded by security details at a parade with hundreds of policemen from a building and expect to be able to escape without them blocking off exits to every building from the direction where the shots were fired. Oswald didn't kill himself... so.... what?.... And saying that a freaking house committee is an authority on anything is silly.

bill burr video

False information. You can Google pictures from the window there is a fine sight to the road.

Secondly who the fuck sits rigidly straight forward in a car during a parade? It's like you guys have never seen a parade before. Is it that much of a shock to you that the bullets don't line up perfectly when you sit them straight forward? Did you think for a second that hey maybe, they were looking... you know... towards the crowds on either side and waving like they were in a parade or something?

 

[Fractral]

I'm fairly sure that the English government is only trying to push education reforms through because it allows them to feel smug and superior over us. A theory only reinforced by the number of times I've seen 'comparisons' between A level papers now and A level papers 20 years ago. It makes me want to mail one of my Further Maths papers to the editors and ask them to solve it.

Oh, please, that one's a lot more mundane than that - the Labour government's grand plan for education was to keep everybody in school until they were 18 and then get 50% of the population into uni simply because that was the easiest way to keep kids off the streets, not because it would result in an educated workforce. That ideology has since been replaced with the "everybody gets a trophy", teach-to-the-test equalisation that has only served to render education even more useles; league tables and targeting have made things worse.

Yeah, I'm still bitter that A**'s are being handed out like candy for papers that would have barely got a C during my GCSEs 17 years ago...

I found my GCSE's very easy, so I can agree with you on that. That said, I still knew a lot of people who outright failed their GCSE's- who got 3 D's or something like that, so maybe it's not quite as easy as it seemed to me.
A levels haven't got any easier, at least as far as my teachers say. On results day in march the average grade was a C, and all of two people out of ~40 got an A in chemistry. So your results should still be worth something.

 

[Ragsnstitches]

This is what I think of conspiracy theories:


There is no doubt that conspiracies have and will happen, but the vast VAST majority of them are completely moronic.

As said in the above video, Conspiracy Theorists are never wrong, instead the list of conspirators increases the more evidence there is stacked against the "Theory".

 

[Phrozenflame500]

Generally no. Atleast most of the "government is spying on us" conspiracies I don't agree with since I generally have a very, very low opinion of the government's ability to do anything but argue incessantly.

I am interested in some of the more realistic "one person covering up his secrets" theories, it's just when government coverups that aren't embarrassingly paper-thin come in I get skeptical.

 

[Wolf In A Bear Suit]

JFK I suppose. I have had two history teachers now, who love their American history who believe that JFK's assassination was an inside job, or at least covered up. I always get really annoyed when people dismiss it as absurd, as although it's unlikely, there definitely is some basis for it, and some are unwilling to accept that anything outside of the norm, or anything that contradicts what was previously fact can possibly be true.
Their are numerous other theories like the moon landing and 9/11 which I really don't buy, especially 9/11. The implications of it being true are terrifying, and I just can't accept that a government would kill thousands of their own, just to force through measures, which in a few years they will have little control over.

 

[absulute]

I'm quite happy that no one has mentioned ChemTrails. One of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

 

[Gecko clown]

That both Fifty Shades of Gray and Twilight were written as part of an overly-complex plot by film and book producers to get porn and XXX films into cinemas.

Fifty Shades of Truth! Open your eyes sheeple!

 

[Jenvas1306]

I believe that all employees of government offices are infact not humans but beings that feed on wasted time...you would understand if you would live in germany or france...

 

[Lonewolfm16]

Might get some flak for this, but I've always agreed that 9/11 was an inside job in order to get the Patriot Act put into law and generally approved by the American public through fear.

Woah, you might wanna turn off quote notification or prepare your inbox.
I won't comment on that though as 9/11 truthers are more of a cage of parrots yelling "inside job! krah!" rather than have any proper points and I'm trying to quit discussing with birds.

Haha, cage of parrots. I like that. Sounds about right. Okay, turning off notifications now. Hmm. Maybe I better throw out another conspiracy to make me look like even more of a maniac. Ever hear of the idea that ancient Sumerian gods, Anunnaki, were actually extraterrestrials who genetically engineered humanity?

Apparently that's supposed to be DNA.

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Oh and this one is supposedly a space-ship.

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It's all true man! I swear it! Ya gotta believe me!

Oh, theres also a group of satanists that believe Satan/Lucifer came to this world a very long time ago and taught humanity, using the symbol of the snake to represent DNA, then claiming all references to snakes in world mythology are actually worship of Satan, therefore Satanism is older than Christianity and Judaism.. They also claim that Jesus is actually a conspiracy by Jews to control non-Jews... and considering the years of abuse, especially during the Black Death, that didn't go too well. And that is without mentioning the Holocaust.