Are you talking about all RPG's, or just MMO's? Because I'm pretty sure RPG's like Mass Effect don't have this problem.
Convince Me That I'm Wrong About RPGs
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You don't need to number crunch to be good, just read what all of the stats do, figure out what's going to make your character stronger in the long run and go with that.
That way the early game is a challenge and when you're higher level you feel like you've improved.
E.g: I'm playing a mage in Dragon Age and I want to kill things, so I keep upping my magic stat and occasionally willpower so I have enough energy to cast spells with, then I just look at the skill trees, figure out which of the skills are the most useful and aim to obtain them.
It doesn't seem very complicated to me.
That way the early game is a challenge and when you're higher level you feel like you've improved.
E.g: I'm playing a mage in Dragon Age and I want to kill things, so I keep upping my magic stat and occasionally willpower so I have enough energy to cast spells with, then I just look at the skill trees, figure out which of the skills are the most useful and aim to obtain them.
It doesn't seem very complicated to me.
I would recommend you simply try to ignore those who order you and try things your own way to enjoy your singleplayer experience.
I can be a bit commanding like that sometimes, though what gets me is people who simply don't get the basic mechanics, like which stat does what and things. They make me maaaaad. So as long as you are happy that you want that skill / stat / whatever, go for it. Just make sure you know what it does. >_>
I can be a bit commanding like that sometimes, though what gets me is people who simply don't get the basic mechanics, like which stat does what and things. They make me maaaaad. So as long as you are happy that you want that skill / stat / whatever, go for it. Just make sure you know what it does. >_>
Play the game the way you want it. RPGs are about roleplaying. Builds, are based on preference, if you ask me. In WoW, Ive been bitched at for my Tank build(Warrior) And know what I tell em," I tank just fine, if you dont like it, Reque. Fuck you damn DPS."
Well, RPGs are generally about playing a role. Acting out some sort of whole, albeit fictional, persona. Yes, there are naturally ways to play a given RPG that makes it easier, achieving absolute equality between all character options would be an exercise in futility and frustration.
A quote that one of my friends is fond of repeating: "In real life, if you focus solely on maximising your killing potential, then you are not a person, you are a psychopath."
RPGs are more about story and character motivation and story, rather than stabbing dudes.
I've never seen an MMORPG where anyone honestly focused on roleplaying, so I'll just ignore them.
A quote that one of my friends is fond of repeating: "In real life, if you focus solely on maximising your killing potential, then you are not a person, you are a psychopath."
RPGs are more about story and character motivation and story, rather than stabbing dudes.
I've never seen an MMORPG where anyone honestly focused on roleplaying, so I'll just ignore them.
I know how you feel, RPG's are my favourite type of game and I've often looked on websites for people's best builds or ways to beat a certain boss etc but at the end of the day I come away and think "Well sod that it's not enjoyable, I'll find a way to do it the way I play." I don't think there's any one way, or easy way to do these things in games. I think it really does come down to how you play.
I wouldn't say that you're "wrong", just that maybe you had a bad experience.
First off: Anyone who tells you that you're playing a single player RPG WRONG, can go screw themselves. If you're playing a SP RPG, and you BEAT THE GAME, you did it right, that simple. I can't believe people have said things like that to you, that just enrages me.
Second bit: As a good friend of mine once said, "WoW and games like it aren't bad...it's the people I can't stand." And for the most part, he's right. These games you have been playing aren't the problem, it's the people. I'm a former WoW player, and I can say that builds, specs, rotations and even profs don't mean crap. Here's all that really matters for MMOs:
Everyone Alive + Boss Dead = Win.
If your friends are giving you a hard time about how you choose to play a SP RPG, don't play it around them. If your online pals are ripping on you for a build or spec in an MMO, take what they say with a grain of salt. You can not play with them, even just play on another server.
The greatest extent of pointers I give to other WoW players are usually common sense-based. Things that not everyone realizes right away. Like, do not apply a new serpent sting until the old serpent sting has expired, or is about to.
The only time I tell people how to play a game is when they ask me questions like, "How do I ensure Wrex will survive on Vermire?"
We play games because we derive enjoyment from them. If you enjoy the game, then play it. If the people deprive you of the enjoyment, then you need to eliminate the people from the picture. Don't cut your gaming pleasure off short just because someone tries to get in your business.
First off: Anyone who tells you that you're playing a single player RPG WRONG, can go screw themselves. If you're playing a SP RPG, and you BEAT THE GAME, you did it right, that simple. I can't believe people have said things like that to you, that just enrages me.
Second bit: As a good friend of mine once said, "WoW and games like it aren't bad...it's the people I can't stand." And for the most part, he's right. These games you have been playing aren't the problem, it's the people. I'm a former WoW player, and I can say that builds, specs, rotations and even profs don't mean crap. Here's all that really matters for MMOs:
Everyone Alive + Boss Dead = Win.
If your friends are giving you a hard time about how you choose to play a SP RPG, don't play it around them. If your online pals are ripping on you for a build or spec in an MMO, take what they say with a grain of salt. You can not play with them, even just play on another server.
The greatest extent of pointers I give to other WoW players are usually common sense-based. Things that not everyone realizes right away. Like, do not apply a new serpent sting until the old serpent sting has expired, or is about to.
The only time I tell people how to play a game is when they ask me questions like, "How do I ensure Wrex will survive on Vermire?"
We play games because we derive enjoyment from them. If you enjoy the game, then play it. If the people deprive you of the enjoyment, then you need to eliminate the people from the picture. Don't cut your gaming pleasure off short just because someone tries to get in your business.
You're not "horribly, horribly wrong", you just need to work out why this is a problem for you.
I'm not much of an MMO player, but my friends who are have complained of something similar: other players who berate them for not having "perfect builds".
One simply responds, "I just saved the entire party from wiping, so I think I'm doing okay. But, if you WANT to spend another 4 hours sitting around waiting for a 'perfect' cleric to come along, be my guest."
Single-player wise, you might try the Megami Tensei series if you haven't already. Typically, all of the "party members" besides the protagonist are eminently replaceable - don't like how this demon turned out? Fuse it with another and get something totally new! Realize that a demon you've gotten rid of would be really helpful in this new situation? Save up a bit of cash and buy it back. It might just have the customization options you're looking for. Yeah, some creations might be "better" than others, but you don't usually have to restart the whole game if you decide you want to change one.
*Warning: MegaTen games are NOT easy no matter how well you build your party. You might try one of the Persona games first - they're slightly tamer.
I'm not much of an MMO player, but my friends who are have complained of something similar: other players who berate them for not having "perfect builds".
One simply responds, "I just saved the entire party from wiping, so I think I'm doing okay. But, if you WANT to spend another 4 hours sitting around waiting for a 'perfect' cleric to come along, be my guest."
Single-player wise, you might try the Megami Tensei series if you haven't already. Typically, all of the "party members" besides the protagonist are eminently replaceable - don't like how this demon turned out? Fuse it with another and get something totally new! Realize that a demon you've gotten rid of would be really helpful in this new situation? Save up a bit of cash and buy it back. It might just have the customization options you're looking for. Yeah, some creations might be "better" than others, but you don't usually have to restart the whole game if you decide you want to change one.
*Warning: MegaTen games are NOT easy no matter how well you build your party. You might try one of the Persona games first - they're slightly tamer.
I agree, at least to a certain degree. I enjoy RPGs and MMORPGs myself, but as a rule I always choose skills that benefit my playstyle. Some choices might yield better numbers for damage done, but unless you're into end game raid content in an MMO the talents/skills you have are not important. Everybody used to laugh at my rogue in World of Warcraft, because I focused my talents around utility, such as stuns, which yielded lower damage, but made fights easier. Play games the way you like them, and forget about crunching numbers (unless that's how you like it, of course).
Look at it like this: It takes more skill from you to pull off a "bad" build, and may therefore make the game much more challenging and enjoyable!
I use to take RPGs which i've played (too many times) and give myself such challange. Avoiding certain powerfull spells etc.
I hope you've played Baldurs Gate 2. If not, try it.
I use to take RPGs which i've played (too many times) and give myself such challange. Avoiding certain powerfull spells etc.
I hope you've played Baldurs Gate 2. If not, try it.
Well in RPGs there are usually hundreds and thousands of combinations but there are some that just work better together.
Seriously dude; your friend sounds like a bit of an arse if you don't mind me saying so. There are plenty of times when I've seen genuinely bad characters*. But despite being a big element RPGs aren't all about stats and gear; they're games and their goal is fun!WildSeraph said:
However there's a point that needs to be made here! Online vs Offline play. The Elder Scrolls, Fallout, Dragon Age; any game where my equipped gear changes my appearance I tend to go more for style over function. However in World of Warcraft I equip some of the ugliest gear purely for the benefits it offers (and this kills me inside).
However in any RPG I make it a rule to have three characters: Tutorial, Fun and Serious. My tutorial character barely makes it past the first few levels and is near enough only there to test the water and see what the game's like. My fun characters is pretty much a Role Play character; he has the weapons I like and wears the gear I like. My serious character is, as the name implies, my serious attempt to murder everyone in the game. Usually disregarding personal preference for benefits.
*A majority of these bad characters were actually mine! I struggled on my first Final Fantasy VII, Fallout 2, Eternal Sonata and Oblivion characters because I charged in with the retarded disgregard for the game's mechanics and the necessity of certain skills, gear and levels.
The people you've just described...well there's several choice words for them that I'm not going to list or this post will just go on for-goddamn-ever.
The short version: Tell these people to eat a dick and go right back to playing how you want. If it really annoys them, make a game of how much you can piss them off before they degenerate into just shouting "NOOB" over and over.
The long version: The people that tell you or any other player that their way is the right way in relevance to an RPG are self-important dick holes who've completely missed the point of an RPG being a game and have instead decided to treat it as a second job. The ONLY time min/maxing matters is if you're playing competitively and actual stakes are involved. If you want to play as a jack-of-all-trades type then you go ahead and fucking do it, just be prepared for the game to arbitrarily punish you from time to time. As for single player RPG's, what your friend was bitching about isn't the "right way". It's the "easy way". If he wants to play the "easy way" then that's his deal. You want to try something different, so do it.
on a completely different note, my captcha was "service ttedsely". Ummm...I'd...I'd rather not thank you...
The short version: Tell these people to eat a dick and go right back to playing how you want. If it really annoys them, make a game of how much you can piss them off before they degenerate into just shouting "NOOB" over and over.
The long version: The people that tell you or any other player that their way is the right way in relevance to an RPG are self-important dick holes who've completely missed the point of an RPG being a game and have instead decided to treat it as a second job. The ONLY time min/maxing matters is if you're playing competitively and actual stakes are involved. If you want to play as a jack-of-all-trades type then you go ahead and fucking do it, just be prepared for the game to arbitrarily punish you from time to time. As for single player RPG's, what your friend was bitching about isn't the "right way". It's the "easy way". If he wants to play the "easy way" then that's his deal. You want to try something different, so do it.
on a completely different note, my captcha was "service ttedsely". Ummm...I'd...I'd rather not thank you...
My Advice: Play better designed RPG's i.e. RPG's that are NOT math problems with a game attached to it. I'm playing Fallout New Vegas with a highly unusual build for example. I'm a saintly smooth talking, rifle toting, lock-picking Thief with a penchant for salvaging guns to mint condition. Why did i pick Speech, guns, and lockpick? Because A)Guns are plentiful and can be easily maintained, B) I Hate coming across a speech option and not being able to pass it, and C) I am OCD for locked doors for some reason.WildSeraph said:
Most importantly, I WANT to be a "^^that char description" in Real Life. But i can't be. So I'll do it in a video game, because that's what RPG's are for.... Escapism.
EDIT: Oh and about your friends:......what everyone else said.
When I play an RPG I level up the skills that make the most sense to me. You're supposed to play a role, not be forced to play as you "should". I don't play any MMORPG, but yeah, I guess in that case you could be dragging down your group if you're playing a tank and level up magic, for instance. I mean, once two of my friends were saying that in WoW they HAD to use attack A and then attack B in every fight.
Bottom line, if you're playing a single-player game, do whatever you want. Unless you can't beat the game with your build, what matters is you're having fun.
Bottom line, if you're playing a single-player game, do whatever you want. Unless you can't beat the game with your build, what matters is you're having fun.
Well as you said you've been playing really well with how you do it, so go by that. Stop worrying about retards who live off these games think its your game, you play it to enjoy it so play it how you like it.
I personally get sick of manually levelling up, especially when there are a million options. Sometimes I just wanna build up on what I need & use & stick with that. If any no life looser MMORPG reacts like im violating some sacred code I just point to my crotch & tell em to feel free & choke on them anytime Douchebag.
I personally get sick of manually levelling up, especially when there are a million options. Sometimes I just wanna build up on what I need & use & stick with that. If any no life looser MMORPG reacts like im violating some sacred code I just point to my crotch & tell em to feel free & choke on them anytime Douchebag.