That doesn't really make much sense to me considering how many casual MMO's are out there these days. I wonder if some of them weren't considered actual MMO's for the sake of the survey? Then again, MMO is a very ambiguous label these days.MC1980 said:
Sorry but I disagree with you here. I think it's more objective to define the game based on how it's designed to be played rather than on how some individual players may play the game. Games like Dota and Elder Scrolls games are designed to be played for long periods of time and to deeply invest the player into it's world and story or into its gameplay mechanics.Dastardly said:
First: I think you replied to the wrong comment... it looks more like you meant to reply to the other person who responded to what you said.Dastardly said:
I almost want to say it's because gaming is so young and thus hasn't had enough time to really have more mingling in it. It still has that thought of "the outsider" when it comes to new people or "casual" fans; y'know, the typical treehouse mentality that is outright hostile to newcomers as they think it dilutes the purity of gaming or some bs like that. It's gaming still being in its cooties phase (though it's also in its awkward adolescent phase at the same time) and really needs something to take it out of it.Fappy said:
I think it's because there isn't an equivalent to "casual games" in any other media type to create the equivalent of "casual gamers" There are no books that are intrinsically designed to be read for only a couple minutes at a time as a complete consumable product. There are no "casual" movies. There are just movies.Fappy said:
Aiddon said:
I wouldn't say it's equivalent to the difference between "casual" and "hardcore" gamers, but I think I figured out an apt analogy for comic book readers.Dreiko said:
Fappy said:
I like this analogy a lot.Dreiko said:
Core is a short form of hardcore, which is the exact opposite of casual. Hardcore is someone who devotes a large amount of time, effort, and enthusiasm into a topic.Dastardly said:
People are "afraid" for the same reason people who play really complex RPGs are afraid: more people wanting simplier and games that are "easily accessable" are flooding into these game communities and are outnumbering people who have been with those series for years. And of course the companies that make these games are responding by trying to water down their games in an effort to achieve "broader appeal". This is why I'm cautious about so called "casuals" and why most people who I've talked to are worried; it has nothing to do with, "gamer identiy".Fappy said:
Inglorious891 said:
Quoting both of you since you're making pretty similar points. I agree that publishers shifting focus to appeal to a wider audience is usually a bad thing, but I fail to see how this means they are trying to appeal to casual gamers. The definition of "casual" we are using in this context refers to those that play phone games every now and don't engage themselves with the community in any meaningful way. I see a lot of people lambaste the Madden/CoD gamers as the source of the problem, but I think it's fair to say that a lot of those people are very passionate about their hobby. They may not be as invested as we are, but some of them still pump hours upon hours into the games they play and talk about them on social media and with friends all the time. When the discussion of "being a gamer" comes up, many of them may identify themselves as such and even I would feel a little uncomfortable with that, as regrettable as that is to admit.List said:
not to mention that people tend to forget at one time ALL games were "casual". from space invaders to pac-man and missile command. despite what people claim a specific game isnt hardcore its the obsession of the person involved, hence why missile command record breakers still make the newsDastardly said:
The problem is that publishers AREN'T actually trying to appeal to "casual" gamers. They keep pushing these big spectacle-fests and bragging about how much money they've pumped into them. If anything they seem to treat the "casual" scene with contempt and don't really have any interest in expanding their audience. They just keep pandering to the same, steadily-shrinking audience they've catered to for decades.Fappy said:
maybe its the result of sexual dimorphism, and girls naturally are less willing to commit to this kind of hobby and be less competitiveSNCommand said:
