Corporal punishment

[Arcade_Fire]

Um.

Does the premise of hitting a child for the sole purpose of preventing them from hitting other people seem a little counterintuitive?

Last time I checked, kids tend to take after their parents...

 

[Jumplion]

Um.

Does the premise of hitting a child for the sole purpose of preventing them from hitting other people seem a little counterintuitive?

Last time I checked, kids tend to take after their parents...

Yeah, that should be #4 of what ways the kid would go. It depends a lot on how the kid understands why he's getting a little smack on the tussock.

 

[GyroCaptain]

Yes, I believe in punishing corporals. Uppity little gits start acting like sergeants, who knows what might happen.

Um.

Does the premise of hitting a child for the sole purpose of preventing them from hitting other people seem a little counterintuitive?

Last time I checked, kids tend to take after their parents...

That's only if incorrectly conducted. Technically speaking, it's a way of getting through the idea that actions hae direct consequences. Having to be alone or being criticized for their actions doesn't have quite the same impact, if you'll pardon the stupid pun. It's really easy for a forming mind to equate wrong and pain, more so than wrong and annoyance. This is also why there's a cutoff for practical corporal punishment, above a certain age it breeds resentment more than anything else.

 

[Arcade_Fire]

Really though, the best form of punishment is taking away something the kid wants.

I'd take a savage beating over life without the power rangers any day.

If I were six. (Yeah, good save...)

**awkward pause**

 

[Arcade_Fire]

Yes, I believe in punishing corporals. Uppity little gits start acting like sergeants, who knows what might happen.

Um.

Does the premise of hitting a child for the sole purpose of preventing them from hitting other people seem a little counterintuitive?

Last time I checked, kids tend to take after their parents...

That's only if incorrectly conducted. Technically speaking, it's a way of getting through the idea that actions hae direct consequences. Having to be alone or being criticized for their actions doesn't have quite the same impact, if you'll pardon the stupid pun. It's really easy for a forming mind to equate wrong and pain, more so than wrong and annoyance. This is also why there's a cutoff for practical corporal punishment, above a certain age it breeds resentment more than anything else.

I think it all comes down to what you believe the best relationship between a parent and child should be.

Personally, I don't think it's the best idea for children to learn to fear the consequences of their actions via their parents, because that opens up way to many opportunities for the child to come to fear the parents themselves since they would be the direct source of the physical pain.

It's obviously a good idea to reinforce the concept that bad behavior has bad consequences, but there's plenty of ways to do that without jeopardizing a child's association with their parents.

 

[Arcade_Fire]

Anyway my point is that kids these day's are violent simply because they dont know the pain of being hit,

No offense, but that is the stupidest thing I have ever seen. Parents are allowed to hit their kids, for one.
For two, you mean you think school should be allowed to let their employees hit kids?
I don't know about you, but if one of my teachers punched me, I'd pick up the nearest pointy object and ram it into their eye sockets until I was too tired to do so any longer.
Being hit doesn't discourage bad behavior, it just encourages me to respond with violence instead of smartassery.

Oooh absolutely. I hadn't even thought of the corporal punishment thing outside the context of the home.

Weather or not it should be used inside the home is more a question of parenting philosophy than anything else, but in schools? Hell no.

NO ONE other than a parent should even be remotely considered to administer any kind of corporal discipline to a child. Period.

 

[WingedFortress]

Completely unacceptable. That is a parental decision, and should never be made by some random 40 something with a salary.

Anyone who thinks this would work is completely fooling themselves. Like, corporal punishment isn't that old, so, why don't you ask your parents how well it worked? I did, and they both answered along the same lines of "Like shit".

 

[GyroCaptain]

That's only if incorrectly conducted. Technically speaking, it's a way of getting through the idea that actions hae direct consequences. Having to be alone or being criticized for their actions doesn't have quite the same impact, if you'll pardon the stupid pun.

True--it has a *better* impact.

A kid that gets physically punished doesn't learn not to be bad--they just learn *not to get punished*. So they learn not to get caught, or to only behave badly towards people who don't have power over them.

I should have qualified that: they need to have the wrongness of their actions described, clearly, but room-based detention etc. isn't in any way specially educating. Kids are still going to learn "not to get punished", it's nonsense to claim only corporal punishment has the risk of functioning that way or has a higher likelihood of entraining evasion.
As to the second, that's why punishment in anger (either yelling or corporal punishment) cannot be undertaken. Just because the id of the punisher can be sated a different way by using detention doesn't mean the kid will be blind to the idea of satisfaction in "harming" others.

 

[Jumplion]

I will say this;

If my father had ever hit me, like give me a smack in the chest or something (like a REAL smack or punch or something), I'd move to my friends house as soon as possible (he lives a few streets down from me). I trust my father way to much to expect that he can show his disappointments to me through non-physical means.

This was just the way I was personally raised, if my dad had used corporal punishment on me when I was younger I'd......well, I'd probably be even wussier than I am now, but that's not the point!...........>_>;

 

[MelziGurl]

I don't think corporal punishment should be limited to just parents. School teachers are the authority at the school and if my parents can live to tell the story of their experiences, then I doubt it would really be that bad. I regarded teachers as my parental authority at school and treated them with the same respect I would show my parents. However, I think there are worse things to punish children with at school than anything physical. Just taking time out of their lunch breaks is enough to depress them into behaving well. There was only one case where I stayed back in my lunch break, and that was because I had my homework only half done. Plus, my English Commm teacher was ex-army...enough said.

 

[dalek sec]

Well, my parents used to spank me when I misbehaved badly. They always threatened first with taking away television privileges and such, but if I persisted or simply did something inexcusable, it was physical right off, although they were pretty good about explaining why I was being punished.

As a result, I very rarely misbehaved badly as a child. Honestly, spanking and such are necessary for keeping young children in line. Otherwise, you are left to purely psychological threats, which are much less immediate and obvious to children.

Likewise Avidabey, and it hasn't messed me up either.

 

[Psypherus]

Just for schools this should be brought back.

For perspective i would ask you to excuse my bad grammar i will fix it when i sober up, i just got in from a wedding.

Anyway my point is that kids these day's are violent simply because they dont know the pain of being hit, if parent's where aloud hit there kids even just once i believe that the children of today would be more civilized. Th[e]y would be less likely to strike out at someone because they know how it feels.

What do you think?

EDIT: Crap that should be corporal punishment, not capital punishment.

I totally agree.I'd like to expand but there is no need in my opinion based on what you said. Plus I'm not exactly in the "proper state of mind." My brother just got back from his Boyfirends after 3 weeks and beer is great.

 

[Arntor]

I think it's safe to say that not all children are the same. You can't expect corporal punishment to discipline the child every time, hell I'm living proof of that. Different people have different reactions and some people react violently. If you're going to be a good parent the best you can do is to adapt your methods for each child. For example, an active child would be better disciplined with a time out than one who spends most of his time alone. With the latter, chores can do the trick. If things are getting out of hand then spanking might be necessary, anything further would bring resentment towards the guardian figure. However, I'd say the ideal thing is to test your punishment methods and gauge the success by viewing their reactions. If you're not getting the results you desire then change up your tactics.

 

[aswiftlytiltingreality]

I don't get why people are freaking out about corporal punishment. It shouldn't be that hard to figure out the difference between a good old fashioned "whooping" and out and out child abuse, but apparently, it is. I got "whippings" all the time as a child because I did stupid stuff and after a while when someone told me I'd better straighten up or they were getting the paddle, I did.

So, when I got a job at a daycare during high school and found out we couldn't put the kids in time out because DHS found that punishment to be "too harsh" and it was against policy to call the parent to inform them that not only was their child throwing a fit, they were physically assaulting the employees, I kind of felt like I had walked into an alternate dimension. Here was this five year old screaming and kicking and smacking adults and what does his mother do? Grounds him for a week as punishment, during which time she buys him a freaking BB gun. This kid clearly needed to get a spanking and didn't get it.

If I had been this kid not only would I have gotten whooped, I would have gotten that real scary look from both my mom and my dad saying I messed up big time and there wasn't going to be any television or video games for me for the next month.

I get it if you feel spanking a kid is a little extreme, but sometimes they really need it.

 

[BLOONINJA 503]

I grew up in southern cali in a mexican family setting, so I got my ass beat.

And I am thankful for it.

My parents simply knew I would understand why I was getting hit, becuase they knew they taught me well.

Ignoring kids when they behave bad only makes them fell empowered if you were lazy to instill great values and ethic in them.(not calling anyone I bad parent, no one will admit it anyway.)

We Mexicans dont put up with self absorbed attitudes and we dont put up with bullshit, not when we needed to look after each other...(at least for me my upbringing wasn't smooth with all the drug cartels and gangsters and generally shit setting that is my hometown of Santa Ana)

 

[aswiftlytiltingreality]

Just for the record, it was only called a "whooping" and it wasn't that bad, but when you're a kid a little goes a long way and to be fair, I deserved it. I can't even imagine what was going through my parents' minds when they found out half the stupid stuff I did. And it wasn't the first punishment they went to. I got the verbal warning and the time out and then when I did it again, I got the whooping.

Cheeze, I guess what my point is, is that when I got whooped, it stung, but was it abuse? No. I understood why I got whooped and I felt worse about making my mom crying for having to whoop me than for the actual whooping. Getting paddled never left bruises or welts or any mark. Also, if certain parents don't believe corporal punishment is the way to go, that's their prerogative and I understand it. Each child responds differently to each brand of punishment, but I still personally believe that there is nothing wrong with corporal punishment

Kids should not be abused, I've seen kids who were abused and I've worked with them at the daycare I mentioned. They acted out very differently from the children with no discipline and it hurt to have to see those kids go through what they did.

 

[Archaon6044]

my parents used to smack me and my sister for misbehaviour, and we turned out kay, though i lookm at kids now and think "christ you need beating into shape. no respect, no discipline, and your cocky little shit as well!"

 

[EeveeElectro]

I'm completely against child abuse, but I think a little smack now and again is in order if the child misbehaves.
The kids in the years below me at school need a good sorting out, though. They seriously have problems.

 

[Rolling Thunder]

A clout around the head, or a slap on the leg is no more physical abuse than it is some obscence act of vengeful cruelty. It's punishment, and as a punishment it is neccesary to discipline children. And the whole 'rights' argument is purified fallacy. Surely this act, which predates the human rights fad we seem to be obssessed with, is no more an infirngement of human rights than if my friend punches me for being an ass.

 

[aswiftlytiltingreality]

Childhood does have value. It's invaluable. I love kids; who doesn't? I care about kids when it doesn't involve abuse and I believe a lot of people out there do as well. And a child's backside is never an erogenous zone. And maybe you're right. Maybe a kid could see that as something sexual and it would mess them up, but people who end up having problems involving sexuality and the like have them from sexual abuse, not because when they were five they took a baseball bat and knocked out the tail lights on the family van and they got a spanking for it.

There are a lot of things in our culture that are looked down upon now that were considered perfectly acceptable not long ago. However, if you think corporal punishment is unacceptable, I understand. But I find nothing wrong with it.