Corvid-19 and its impact (name edit)

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crimson5pheonix said:
Yes, saying that it's simpler and easier to go through private healthcare enrollment processes than it is to just have Medicare pay for anyone who asks.
Isn't the article pointing out that people might end up getting billed for treatments if they are hospitalised for Coronavirus under the existing plan, which is potentially a bit of a problem?

The measures say it'll pay for anything directly connected to Coronavirus, but that certainly seems to me to suggest a major grey area around co-morbidities, which could end up with people being hit by a lot of unexpected bills.
 

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Has anyone mentioned worldwide cases of Covid-19 are over a million now?
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Number of confirmed cases worldwide just surpassed 1 meeellion people.

That was post 381, so 9 before your own.
Yeah c'mon, I even used a Dr Evil face to make it stand out more.
Oh the shame! I really find megathreads hard to pay enough attention in.
 

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Agema said:
crimson5pheonix said:
Yes, saying that it's simpler and easier to go through private healthcare enrollment processes than it is to just have Medicare pay for anyone who asks.
Isn't the article pointing out that people might end up getting billed for treatments if they are hospitalised for Coronavirus under the existing plan, which is potentially a bit of a problem?

The measures say it'll pay for anything directly connected to Coronavirus, but that certainly seems to me to suggest a major grey area around co-morbidities, which could end up with people being hit by a lot of unexpected bills.
That's exactly what the article says.

crimson5pheonix said:
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https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/03/827121928/medicare-for-all-coronavirus-patients-but-who-exactly-qualifies

NPR twisting itself into pretzels trying to make an expansion of medicare sound like a bad and complicated thing compared pushing people into private healthcare through ACA.
Is anything in that article factually wrong or do you just not like it?
Yes, saying that it's simpler and easier to go through private healthcare enrollment processes than it is to just have Medicare pay for anyone who asks.
1. The article doesn't actually say that. I guess I'm down to asking for exact quotes now since it still seems like you're just basing your views off someone else's twitter summary.

2. You truly believe "just [having] Medicare pay for anyone who asks" is how that process works? That shows either pure naivete or obliviousness on a scary level.
 

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Avnger said:
Agema said:
crimson5pheonix said:
Yes, saying that it's simpler and easier to go through private healthcare enrollment processes than it is to just have Medicare pay for anyone who asks.
Isn't the article pointing out that people might end up getting billed for treatments if they are hospitalised for Coronavirus under the existing plan, which is potentially a bit of a problem?

The measures say it'll pay for anything directly connected to Coronavirus, but that certainly seems to me to suggest a major grey area around co-morbidities, which could end up with people being hit by a lot of unexpected bills.
That's exactly what the article says.

crimson5pheonix said:
Avnger said:
crimson5pheonix said:
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/03/827121928/medicare-for-all-coronavirus-patients-but-who-exactly-qualifies

NPR twisting itself into pretzels trying to make an expansion of medicare sound like a bad and complicated thing compared pushing people into private healthcare through ACA.
Is anything in that article factually wrong or do you just not like it?
Yes, saying that it's simpler and easier to go through private healthcare enrollment processes than it is to just have Medicare pay for anyone who asks.
1. The article doesn't actually say that. I guess I'm down to asking for exact quotes now since it still seems like you're just basing your views off someone else's twitter summary.

2. You truly believe "just [having] Medicare pay for anyone who asks" is how that process works? That shows either pure naivete or obliviousness on a scary level.
Corlette added that it would be far simpler and easier simply to open up a period to enroll in insurance plans on the Affordable Care Act's marketplaces.
Literally lifted from the article, word for word.

And yes, if you don't know how this works, hospitals bill Medicare, going through the Medicare office. The hospital submits a payment request which is then approved or denied by Medicare. I'd call that a whole lot simpler than signing up for private health insurance.

Especially if you're out of work and can't afford to buy private health insurance. Or if you already have COVID, trying to answer questions while in a respirator.
 

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Agema said:
crimson5pheonix said:
Yes, saying that it's simpler and easier to go through private healthcare enrollment processes than it is to just have Medicare pay for anyone who asks.
Isn't the article pointing out that people might end up getting billed for treatments if they are hospitalised for Coronavirus under the existing plan, which is potentially a bit of a problem?

The measures say it'll pay for anything directly connected to Coronavirus, but that certainly seems to me to suggest a major grey area around co-morbidities, which could end up with people being hit by a lot of unexpected bills.
Possibly so, which is why the correct answer is to say 'so medicare should just be expanded to cover people during this crisis', if you want to be middling about it.

Instead the article implies a better solution is to have people sign up for private health insurance when they don't have jobs.
 

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crimson5pheonix said:
Possibly so, which is why the correct answer is to say 'so medicare should just be expanded to cover people during this crisis', if you want to be middling about it.

Instead the article implies a better solution is to have people sign up for private health insurance when they don't have jobs.
It's not that I disagree with you that it's easier just to bill Medicare. However, if it's actually a half-arsed Medicare bodge that's not going to pay a lot of resultant bills, that's a problem and an ACA solution may be superior.
 

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Agema said:
crimson5pheonix said:
Possibly so, which is why the correct answer is to say 'so medicare should just be expanded to cover people during this crisis', if you want to be middling about it.

Instead the article implies a better solution is to have people sign up for private health insurance when they don't have jobs.
It's not that I disagree with you that it's easier just to bill Medicare. However, if it's actually a half-arsed Medicare bodge that's not going to pay a lot of resultant bills, that's a problem and an ACA solution may be superior.
I don't see how it can be. If you're unemployed, you're not going to be able to pay for insurance and if you're already sick and in the hospital you really don't need to be signing up for health insurance, both because your poor health will make it hard to sign up and because you have a figurative gun to your head when negotiating prices.

While I have no illusions that Trump could easily spin this to make public healthcare look awful with some creative enforcement of the policy, this is the chance the Democrats need to take to push forward and turn this half-of-a-good-idea into a great idea.

Instead it looks like they're poised to back off from that back to putting people in bad positions in further debt.
 

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Seems like the US is finally taking measures to get protective equippment.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-masks/u-s-big-bucks-turn-global-face-mask-hunt-into-wild-west-idUSKBN21L253

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/02/global-battle-coronavirus-equipment-masks-tests
And in the most American way possible. Breaking an original deal with another country by throwing stupid amounts of money at it. Cutting out the normal Capitalist structures so they can be first. Leaving it to last minute becuase they didnt understand the problem. Making the tax payer pay for all these mistakes then giving them to private corporations so they can makes profits. Oh, and this makes the state taxpayers pay again. Absolute genius

Edit: forgot to add. They don't actually need to sell to Americans. They have already sold it to foreign countries. So they pretty much made a middleman to make everything more expensive and gain tjose profits. Very mafia like behavior
 

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I hope that this will influence future voters to demand actual UBI and health care for all.
 

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I think this really shows people need to change how they think about healthcare. I think people perhaps think about it as being somewhere between a need and a luxury. But really maybe we should start thinking about healthcare the way we do the military.

Imagine a world where we had huge stocks of medical equipment, hospitals we didn't need yet ready to go and thousands of ICU beds ready, far more than the immediate needs, ready to go for just in case? If that sounds ridiculous isn't that the way we do it with military equipment? We have far more than we need right now all ready to go just in case a war starts to protect people, we don't just start building everything we need for war as soon as the war starts and don't think about it at all before that.

Because I think you'll find that diseases kill far more people than wars do if you look it up.
 

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Agema said:
crimson5pheonix said:
Yes, saying that it's simpler and easier to go through private healthcare enrollment processes than it is to just have Medicare pay for anyone who asks.
Isn't the article pointing out that people might end up getting billed for treatments if they are hospitalised for Coronavirus under the existing plan, which is potentially a bit of a problem?

The measures say it'll pay for anything directly connected to Coronavirus, but that certainly seems to me to suggest a major grey area around co-morbidities, which could end up with people being hit by a lot of unexpected bills.
People already get billed under the ACA too, even worse, the biggest issue under the ACA is that people have to meet a "deductible" before their services are covered under the ACA so they cannot even afford to have the proper tests to determine what is wrong to be able to receive treatment in the first place due to the high Copay fees. For example, a regular office visit and get a flu test, the patient can pay a $25 copay at the time of visit, then they receive a $200 bill for the flu test with the low income insurance provided under the ACA. To even be able to have a endoscopy, they require a $800 copay before they will even make the appointment. To take a child to the ENT and have an ear test, since insurance does not cover specialists the same way, it will be $200 at the time of visit and you may still receive a bill for any other test that was done that was not paid for by insurance. These are not "hypothetical prices" btw, these are the actual amounts of all of the things that my own family members have had to pay over the last year while being covered by the plans provided under the ACA. You actually get hit with more bills and unexpected expenses under the ACA than you do under medicare.

On the other hand, there is still plenty Medicare doesn't cover and would need to be upgraded as well, but I never had an issue getting my Dad the tests he required for him to receive treatment under Medicare. We did receive hospital bills for my father while he was on medicare and his long term benefits did run out. However, Medicare told my mother not to pay some of those bills and dealt with the hospital on her behalf. Medicare also comes with an option to report some issues to them and have them handle some issues as they arise with the hospital for you if they feel the charges were unjustified, or that they feel the hospital is doing something they believe is illegal, a service you do not receive with regular insurance.

All in all, Medicare for all is better for the end user, not as beneficial for providers, but this can be remedied with the proper changes made to better serve both providers and patients and provide adequate funding. This is much more difficult to obtain through for profit private insurance companies as they only exist to make a profit to investors, not exist as a service to the public to maintain the general welfare of the people. For profit insurers will always put their bottom line above the health and lives of the people they are providing insurance for, especially when a patient is costing them more than the patient is paying at the time. It matters not to them that you paid into their insurance company for 25 years without needing medication, when you become ill, they only care about what you are paying that month compared to what you are costing them. That is why they place so many obstacles to receiving actual care, it costs them less to let you die while going through the red tape than to make it easy for you to receive tests and treatment. That is exactly what happens when people are not able to obtain the $800 copay needed to receive the tests to save their lives in the first place.
 

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All in all, Medicare for all is better for the end user, not as beneficial for providers...
I'd totally agree, but you're not getting that one past the Republicans, at least outside a health crisis like the current one.

Hell, the Federal government is letting the states blow their budgets by competing with each other and the Federal government for medical supplies and equipment, driving the prices up for everyone. What a shitshow of disorganisation: no wonder US healthcare is so damn expensive.
 

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How come there's not that much media coverage on why the Chinese government should have some punishment for the virus? After this is over, there should be a global consensus in not having wet markets and wildlife trade.

https://imgur.com/gallery/RvmqlR8
 

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I don't think he's gonna make it. I wish it was Donald who got it, rather than Boris. Boris always seemed to be a real life laughable lovable wacky sitcom character who would always make big mistakes that would hinder and endanger the group.

 

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I don't think he's gonna make it. I wish it was Donald who got it, rather than Boris. Boris always seemed to be a real life laughable lovable wacky sitcom character who would always make big mistakes that would hinder and endanger the group.

Hate to tell you this, Boris has made a career out of portraying himself as a lovable buffoon but he is just as racist and homophobic as Trump. A little Googling will tell you about his views on certain people. Also, because he has spent his entire career out of being the lovable buffoon and then was shocked when no one took him seriously when he told people to start social distancing and stay at home.

In my opinion, it couldn't of happened to a nicer person.