Could the United States be invaded?

Broken Orange

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Psychosocial said:
Well, I'll do it the way my ancestors did!

With longboats and axes!

Seriously, the vikings were in America too, y'know.
Did you ever see pathfinders? It is an accureate(spell check)movie on how the viking were kicked out of america by an indi... sorry, Native American who was an viking boy left behind.

Now back to the topic, USA is in the perfect place to defend it self for attack. But this is if EVERY country teamed up against US.Still, the USA has spent a crap load of money on defence and the citizen would fight to the death to defend our land, also all the top secret weapons we have stole from the nazi in WWII. What, have you ever played Wolfenstien and watch any WWII movie on the SciFi chanel? In short, it will be hard, it will be expensive, and it will be bloody (thats what she said -Michal Scott ,"The Office" American VER.).
 

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McCa said:
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I don;t think it would be possible. Let's all keep in mind the technological superiority of the yanks, ok?

SuperSonic Stealth air to air fighters capable of vertical take-off.
Stealth bombers.

The M1A2.

Sad, but they win. Sorry rest of world. That's the way it is.
M1A2 Is outdated nowadays compared to the newer challenger models the challenger I was a better tank proven in battle tests .
Most of the techs the "yanks" have so do the rest of the NATO forces. Aside from the stunning F-22A Raptor. (last time I checked it was a US only plane.)
NATO has forces?
Yeah the reason you never hear of it is because we don't start random wars on little country unlike SOME people. And yeah its the biggest military organisation in the world (I'm fully aware America does MOST of the equipment funding and is a part of it but in no way could they defeat the rest of the countries in full scale warfare.

BioHazard19 said:
No. If you want to know why, watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZdJRDpLHbw
Psst. The song is mocking America...
Psst. The song was made by Americans, too.

Also, again, what non-American NATO forces?
 

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Actually, I think you are forgetting how galvanized the citizens of the US can get when the nation is challenged.
Historically that's only applied when the American public thought the enemy was a)a long way away, b)defeatable in the near future and c) the government could control the flow of information to the public.

You only need to look at Cuba (revolution, Bay of pigs - missile crisis) and Vietnam to see what happens if the possibility of losing enters the equation. Or more recently the many many split opinions on Afghanistan and Iraq. It's also hard to see how the White House could put a positive spin on enemy troops hitting US shores as well.
 

Daniel Cygnus

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It'd take the entire world and a team of stellar tacticians, and even then it still might not work.

Of course, nukes are out of the question. If there was one nuke heading towards us, we'd launch three right back. Three leads to five, and five leads to madness, and the whole world's gone Fallout. Way to go, guys.

A more conventional approach might work, but once again, it'd be insanely hard to pull off. America's a big place, and there's a lot of people there. We might even nuke ourselves just to get rid of the armies if the invasion gets too far in.

Conclusion: I'm not going to say it's impossible, but I will say that it'd be reeeeaaaallly tough.
 

Dr.Sean

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Why do people still hate America? George W. Bush isn't the president anymore; Barack Obama is.
 

Bulletinmybrain

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It maybe out-dated.


But say hello to 13,000 of M1A2's.


Challengers are very expensive to operate, (for reference, Britian operates about 1,000 challenger 1's and two's.)

Dr.Sean said:
Why do people still hate America? George W. Bush isn't the president anymore; Barack Obama is.
Different colour, slightly higher IQ.
 

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fix-the-spade said:
sallene said:
Actually, I think you are forgetting how galvanized the citizens of the US can get when the nation is challenged.
Historically that's only applied when the American public thought the enemy was a)a long way away, b)defeatable in the near future and c) the g could control the flow of information o the public.

You only need to look at Cuba (revolution, Bay of pigs - missile crisis) and Vietnam to see what happens if the possibility of losing enters the equation. Or more recently the many many split opinions on Afghanistan and Iraq. It's also hard to see how the White House could put a positive spin on enemy troops hitting US shores as well.
The cuba cock-up was because the CIA are absolutely dreadful. There was a story about cia giving military information that was fourty years old, just to give them something. Vietnam was considered not their fight, and it was absolutely dreadful to fight with no one really threatening us.
 

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Invade? Yes.
Hold? Hell no
Hold is easy: Put on some propaganda on tv, blame someone else (maybe this time the canadians) for the invasion and everything bad.
When you win enough time the whole population will be obese anyway and those kind of persons are no longer soldier material.

And about the guys who want to fight the invaders: Let them fight policeforce, militarys and mercenary recruited in the States, paid with money pillaged after the invasion. This will solve many problems at once and be very efficient at breaking the moral of any insurgents.

If all of that dosn't work just show swearing, naked people on national television and half of the population will die of a heart attack or at least be to outraged to care about a foreign government ruling the country.
Ignoring the racism & poor spelling, a bullet or bomb from a fat man is the same as a bullet from someone with Herculean muscles.
Plus from what I can see, the US can be very patriotic especially when under attack, so propaganda wouldn't cut it. Not to mention the mercs most likely would be working for the US as they have amazing ways of paying for things with money they don't have (see the US trades with China). And again, how the hell you going to get past an army which has bombs that are meant for taking out 1000's of tanks? Not to mention the awesome MLRS.
I have said nothing about the invasion part (others covered that part well enough), I only discussed the aftermath. When the gouvernmend is gone the mercs will work for the invaders or fight for free. The policeforce would have to make the same choice.

Anyway this was satire, no race was mentioned so I don't know where you see racism or is the wasp a race now? To get fat is not a unique property of white people but it is an issue your country fails to fight so I get a good laugh out of it.
And yes the bullet is still as deadly but the person fiering it is not as likely to get into an appropriate position to do so.
And you are right your country gets very patriotic...to a point of stupidety. With the right media coverage this could be used to work for the invaders (see the scapegoat i mentioned above?). Maybe it would become unpatriotic to hide insurgents. since this will help the evil canadians to sneak their satanic mapels sirup across the boarder.
 

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Yes, but it isn't going to happen as the sheer amount of man-power required to do it would be exponential; China, the U.K., Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the rest of Europe and Indochina... The list of countries needed to do it would be longer than that. Not to mention the logistics of it all.
 

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fix-the-spade said:
sallene said:
Actually, I think you are forgetting how galvanized the citizens of the US can get when the nation is challenged.
Historically that's only applied when the American public thought the enemy was a)a long way away, b)defeatable in the near future and c) the government could control the flow of information to the public.

You only need to look at Cuba (revolution, Bay of pigs - missile crisis) and Vietnam to see what happens if the possibility of losing enters the equation. Or more recently the many many split opinions on Afghanistan and Iraq. It's also hard to see how the White House could put a positive spin on enemy troops hitting US shores as well.
Well, let me put it to you this way.


I would tend to disagree with this opinion. An invasion would make anything the government did/said irrelivent in the face of imminent danger. I gaurantee that if we were invaded you would see good ol' boys fighitng beside black people and mexicans fighting beside homosexuals and women.


It all comes down to ego. Our Ego here in the states would not allow any violent/invasive tresspass to stand regardless of what the outcome might be.
 

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Shibito091192 said:
All of them have nuclear power and enough nukes between them to blow America off the map.
Likewise.

Its called M.A.D. - Mutually Assured Destruction.

Its what prevents all out nuclear war.
 

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Ignignoct said:
Psst. The song was made by Americans, too.

Also, again, what non-American NATO forces?
I think he means all of these guys that aren't the USA...while some sort of convoluted series of events might allow them to do so, realistically (isticly?), the advanced forces simply aren't present in large enough numbers to pull it off, none of them could fight a protracted war.

EDIT: DUH! Forgot the link. Twattery. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Members_of_NATO
 

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The U.S. could be destroyed, but never invaded. The culture of the United States right now is one of individualism. No country would be able to control the populance of the U.S. against their will. Also, the size of the U.S. is such that prolonged occupation would be unfeasible. The only way to 'invade' the U.S. would be to control it economically, and then culturally, slowly assimilating it. An outright invasion would be too much of a burden for the invading country.
 

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Two words Nuclear Weapons ya that's right bring it other countries.......just kidding of course
 

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darklink259 said:
The U.S. could be destroyed, but never invaded. The culture of the United States right now is one of individualism. No country would be able to control the populance of the U.S. against their will. Also, the size of the U.S. is such that prolonged occupation would be unfeasible. The only way to 'invade' the U.S. would be to control it economically, and then culturally, slowly assimilating it. An outright invasion would be too much of a burden for the invading country.
This.
 

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Invade the U.S. ? Yeah it can be done, and if every nation joined in, just the sheer amount would prove a difficult task to defeat, and invasion success is most likely, but it would become a battle of attrition by then, with the invaders paying a very high price. Let's look at some of the issues with an invasion.

To propose a straight out attack via land and sea, you would have to either position troops beforehand(sneaking in through freighters via Canada/Mexico), or land them alongside your ships. This itself is near impossible, as a large enough land force would be difficult to sneak over and keep hidden, much less fully supplied and equipped. An immediate attack by sea is highly impractical, as the U.S. has many long range strike options(not to mention their navy) as well as good intelligence agencies and satellite systems for detections of such a fleet. A sea invasion would only be practical if some of these options were eliminated. Also, any initial attacks would be wise to also have forces stationed to take out the U.S. bases across the world, disbarring a 'full' scale invasion, as well as increasing likelihood of discovery, for having such forces near every U.S. base on the globe would be a bit suspicious. If that is not done, then it will become a global war with near countless fronts, and nations pulling back their armies to defend their homelands instead of invading the states.

As for points of attack, the west coast is impractical if you aim to expand to the east coast as well, for the cascades provide a strong barrier, and all major roadways through them will be deathtraps(guerrilla tactics, artillery, or just destroyed roads), limiting any reliable/timely transportation across to air travel, which will hinge on air superiority. To hit the east, as mentioned, the number of towns and roads make it a tactical nightmare for the military to control and expand. By land from north or south you will hit the same issues if you aim along the western or eastern edge. Cutting through the middle can divide the nation and cause confusion, but will also leave the invasion force highly exposed, as well as their logistics line behind them. The south provides the largest insurgent threat as more rednecks and gun touting rights activists will be there, making the north a bit more viable. But, the most important factor to remember is that such an invasion will unite the populace against you, for announcing an invasion(in hopes of scaring the populace to submission, or whatever other reasons) would eliminate a sneak attack option, whereas a sneak attack will cause all the citizens to distrust and hate the invading nations.

In contrast to an all-out invasion, taking over or blockading key economic points have been brought up. These would indeed eventually cripple the nation(if the economic system remained in effect at all during such an incident), but also cripple the economy of the world once more. Remember that a central cause for the current economic issues did indeed originate from the states, but even then, a majority of the businesses in the world still manage their money and trade through wallstreet/dow jones. Disrupting a central hub of trade and business in order to cripple the states would cripple the world just as badly. Also, although a majority of production is done outside the US, most of those places are run and owned by companies based in the states, and with them cut off from their headquarters - and subsequently their funding - it is doubtful they will continue to operate, now just imagine the fallout from factories around the world shutting down. Hell, even if it was a full invasion instead of a targeted economic attack, these same economic effects would be felt around the world.

In further points, although the US military is somewhat small in numbers, their technology and resources are second to none. It is also good to note that there are many ex-military citizens out there, whether retired or those that served for a short time instead of career, most of whom likely have kept weapons and trained up. The police forces and militias are also not to be underestimated, for although they might seem weak, they are trained, organized, and experienced. There is also the fact that, as the ones being invaded, they have the homefield advantage, whether its in knowing the terrain, or fighting to defend their homes, which is a zeal no invader can match.

For now, this is good, feel free to pick, I'll respond when able. For those who may be curious, I am an American.
 

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goatzilla8463 said:
Yes.

Come to think of it, why aren't we doing this right this second?
Because... we have a nuclear arsenal... and we're crazy/stupid enough to do the whole "If I can't have it, neither can you!" bit where we blast everything from the Earth.