Critical Miss: #41

[camazotz]

This is fast becoming my favorite strip to check every week....right behind Penny Arade!

 

[nightwolf667]

Gah! Trojan's aren't Greeks! The Trojans and the Greeks were enemies, there's this whole book about it.

Sorry, just had to get that out of my system. Carry on.

Spot on, Troy was actually in good ol' Turkey. It's imperfect narative.

Which was colonized by the Greeks. Just sayin'.


In fact, Turkey was pretty much part of Greece until the fall of the Byzantine Empire, which was basically a Greek empire and not Roman even though it was technically the East Roman Empire, they spoke Greek and were Orthodox.

Not during that time. Asia Minor was colonized by Greeks after the time of the Trojan War and after the Trojan War there weren't any Trojans in that part of the world if you follow the stories. Not that they are really all that historical anyway but that is kinda beside the point.

As stated earlier, the historical Trojans were likely related to the Hittites or some other Indo-European branch from the east of the Bosporus. The similarities in gods and the like were just anachronisms inserted by Homer and other storytellers as the legend evolved over 400 years of oral tradition.

Even afterwards, you cannot really speak of Turkey being Greek, mostly just the western and southern coasts. The central and northern areas had combinations of Persian, Greek, Armenian, Kappadocian, and even Gaulic cultures (plus a few more that are slipping my mind at the moment). The Hellenization of these areas was slower than most of the other former holdings of Alexander.

Also, hydra bladder is awesome. Totally worth it even if the Greek/Trojan thing bugged me as a Classics major.

Thanks for posting this before I could get worked up and get all my textbooks out to write out a response I'm a classics and archaeology major, so I felt your pain!

I am only an English Major and I felt both your pain. But thank you for beating me to the punch!

Other than that, funny comic and while I get the Trojan joke... the inaccuracy after reading the Illiad...

 

[Boba Frag]

YES, I get it... Trojan make condoms. And you're kinda wrong about them being Greek- most scholars place Troy, or Illium in Asia Minor (modern Turkey), not in Greece. They probably shared some cultural traits, but when you're talking about ancient Greece, these were probably only superficial similarities.

Sorry, that kind of stuff just bugs me.

I appreciate you were making a funny.

 

[Boba Frag]

Gah! Trojan's aren't Greeks! The Trojans and the Greeks were enemies, there's this whole book about it.

Sorry, just had to get that out of my system. Carry on.

Spot on, Troy was actually in good ol' Turkey. It's imperfect narative.

Which was colonized by the Greeks. Just sayin'.


In fact, Turkey was pretty much part of Greece until the fall of the Byzantine Empire, which was basically a Greek empire and not Roman even though it was technically the East Roman Empire, they spoke Greek and were Orthodox.

Not during that time. Asia Minor was colonized by Greeks after the time of the Trojan War and after the Trojan War there weren't any Trojans in that part of the world if you follow the stories. Not that they are really all that historical anyway but that is kinda beside the point.

As stated earlier, the historical Trojans were likely related to the Hittites or some other Indo-European branch from the east of the Bosporus. The similarities in gods and the like were just anachronisms inserted by Homer and other storytellers as the legend evolved over 400 years of oral tradition.

Even afterwards, you cannot really speak of Turkey being Greek, mostly just the western and southern coasts. The central and northern areas had combinations of Persian, Greek, Armenian, Kappadocian, and even Gaulic cultures (plus a few more that are slipping my mind at the moment). The Hellenization of these areas was slower than most of the other former holdings of Alexander.

Also, hydra bladder is awesome. Totally worth it even if the Greek/Trojan thing bugged me as a Classics major.

Thanks for posting this before I could get worked up and get all my textbooks out to write out a response I'm a classics and archaeology major, so I felt your pain!

I am only an English Major and I felt both your pain. But thank you for beating me to the punch!

Other than that, funny comic and while I get the Trojan joke... the inaccuracy after reading the Illiad...

Oh, thank Christ, I'm not the only one!! XD

The poor guys who make the webcomic are going to regret ever bringing that up, aren't they?

You guys made posting my vague admonishment worth it!

 

[faspxina]

xD they're still talking about the same thing

 

[SirCannonFodder]

I definitely enjoyed reading that. A good laugh, and an awesome reference to the Pixies.

I never thought about Kratos in any context than the God of War, but that doesn't mean it's not funny. I really hope this continues, because it's a great laugh in an otherwise dreary afternoon.

You'd probably enjoy this [http://thepunchlineismachismo.com/archives/71] then. Also this [http://thepunchlineismachismo.com/archives/84].

 

[Soylent Dave]

Gah! Trojan's aren't Greeks! The Trojans and the Greeks were enemies, there's this whole book about it.

Sorry, just had to get that out of my system. Carry on.

Spot on, Troy was actually in good ol' Turkey. It's imperfect narative.

(and everyone else who knows a bit about Geography and/or History)

Glad it wasn't just me who was sitting there getting all annoyed at that.

(you can say Trojans and Romans are the same if you like, though; the Romans liked to make out they were descended from the survivors of Troy. Although they also said that Aeneas was a demigod, so 'unreliable narrator' is the phrase that springs to mind - Virgil, I'm looking at you)

 

[Daniel Cabazos]

But the Trojans aren't Greek...they would be where modern day Turkey is, a different country (and I realize ancient Greece were city-states) entirely!