Cyber P.I. Tracks Down Pirates Selling Modern Warfare 2

WlknCntrdiction

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Haha, that guy is quite dim to do something like that.
Though really Activision/IW lost me as a loyal paying customer as soon as they announced the removal of dedicated servers *wink wink* lol.
 

Skizle

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Can someone please tell me how you make off with a crate of videogames without getting caught or seen by anyone what so ever? Talk about the lack of security...or the fact that nobody gives a damn at that job.
 

Bat Vader

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I hope this game gets pirated more than Spore just to teach the bastards a lesson.
Exactly what lesson is that? That the game will be awesome even when pirated?
 

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MaxTheReaper said:
Enzeru92 said:
Yay a win for the good guys
Well, a win for the companies, anyway.

You see, there really is no such thing as...[long, long, long post that nobody will ever read, ever.]
Exactly. Besides, writing long winded, convoluted, overly verbose (yet well written) posts nobody's gonna read is my job ayway...

But seeing as how I think I know where you were going with this allow me to elabor-
 

akmarksman

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Radeonx said:
Yog Sothoth said:
See kids, crime doesn't pay...
Poorly designed crime doesn't pay.

MaxTheReaper said:
Enzeru92 said:
Yay a win for the good guys
Well, a win for the companies, anyway.

You see, there really is no such thing as...[long, long, long post that nobody will ever read, ever.]
This is essentially my thoughts, though. Almost everything is pretty much in a gray area, nowadays.
The real money is made in microtransactions..bleed them to death slowly..
 

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Skizle said:
Can someone please tell me how you make off with a crate of videogames without getting caught or seen by anyone what so ever? Talk about the lack of security...or the fact that nobody gives a damn at that job.
I think I can answer that.

Coming from a Loss Prevention/Fraud Investigation background, this story cracks me up. It almost makes me want to go back to being a P.I., almost. I have to admit though, it was a pretty slick investigation, if not made easier by the raw stupidity of certain individuals in getting themselves caught so quickly.

A few years ago I did some undercover work posing as a staff member in a certain retail chain to investigate possible internal theft, and after 3 months of digging I arrested 13 out of 17 employees at the store, including all of the management. Name a scam and they were pulling it. Every type of retail theft and vendor fraud these idiots could think of (or get off the net) they were pulling, to the tune of about $10,000 a month give or take. This went on for quite a long time before the agency I was working for got involved.

I'm fairly confident that eventually it will come to light that there was more to the original theft than some kid ripping off a crate of Xboxes. This was a relatively organized (but sloppy) operation, and I can all but guarantee that there are more players involved.

I would look at management, internal LP, everybody. Why? Because one of the last people I arrested at that job was one of my co-workers who I caught stealing from a client. Which proves you can't even fully trust the people you hire to protect your business.

You might have a point though, maybe it is something just as simple as good old fashioned stupidity and/or apathy. You have to think though, after the release date it wouldn't take a loss prevention specialist to notice an entire crate of Xboxes had just disappeared, sooner or later the kid would have been caught, but like the article said, the damage had already been done.
 

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People stealing boxes of consoles from stores =/= pirates. Besides that, i fully support whatever action is done to take down those assholes at infinityward.
 

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Internet Kraken said:
Amnestic said:
CloggedDonkey said:
Since this ended up in Miami I'll say this now: "Don't you know? video games," *puts on shades* "are dangerous." YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!


Quick and dirty. Not the best one I ever did, but it's all I can come up with at half past midnight :p
Um, why is he holding shades in his hands if he is already wearing a pair of shades?

On topic: Good, I always like it when pirates get what they deserve. It's a win for everyone but the pirates.
The guy uploaded the iso of the game online.
Now Tens of thousands have downloaded it.
Sounds like a win for the pirates.
 

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This kids probably going to get sued by Activision for there loss from the torrents. And from the way it sounds he's not the kinda guy who can spare a few million, so he's going to be in debt for the rest of his life. Almost makes me feel sorry for him. Almost.
 

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think that makes me laugh is this wouldnt have even made a dent in the 10 bazzillion sales MW2 is gonna get...

and activsion can pay for this kinda thing and not have to worry about it too...wish i had there amount of money :(
 

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CantFaketheFunk said:
*Snip*

Frankly, I don't think publishers are overreacting at all. That's not to say I think they're reacting correctly in most cases - the Eidos Arkham Asylum case being an example of how to do it right - but I think that piracy is a legitimate problem and it's also one of the reasons (though by no means the only one) that the PC market is much less relevant these days as it used to be.
To you maybe, the PC still constitute half the market and eclipsing consoles entirely.
 

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CantFaketheFunk said:
If I may suggest an alternate hypothesis:

The 360 one is flooding torrent sites because ... the PC one hasn't been leaked yet.

That is unfortunately inevitable, and once it happens, I don't doubt that it'll be as prevalent on piracy sites as the 360 version is. Yes, pirating on PC does require some effort, but pirating on a console requires considerably more. Furthermore, you have to keep in mind that there's a much larger audience for the 360 version (or even the PS3 version) than there was the PC version, even before the reveal of no dedicated servers. This was true with the first Modern Warfare, too.

Let's say that out of fifty Xbox 360 owners playing MW2, ten pirated it. There are only ten people playing MW2 on the PC, though, five of whom pirated it. Even if there are technically MORE pirated 360 copies being played, it says nothing about the system's security (or lack thereof).



COD4 didn't sell as well as it did thanks to the PC owners, I can tell you that. Oh sure, a ton of PC owners bought the game, but it sold significantly better on consoles. Just keep that in mind.

Frankly, I don't think publishers are overreacting at all. That's not to say I think they're reacting correctly in most cases - the Eidos Arkham Asylum case being an example of how to do it right - but I think that piracy is a legitimate problem and it's also one of the reasons (though by no means the only one) that the PC market is much less relevant these days as it used to be.
Where are you getting your figures?

Global PC sales for a specific game, that's legitimate sales, are extremely hard to measure and normally only PS3 and 360 sales are factored into NDP calculations etc due to the nature of consoles and how Micro/Sony make most of their money of licensing copies of games.

And then how do you calculate piracy figures? I mean if the game is pirated in a country where the game is banned or not even sold... is that a "lost sale"? How many are actually played and how many are just casual downloads by idiots who try to play COD4 on a crappy pentium 1 PC with graphics card from the late 90's = fail attempt = they are not Successfully pirating the game.

Are they going by online multiplayer figures? Beyond the fact that is mis-representative (pirates may like online gaming more) I'd like to know the specifics to determine there are not artefact in their results like counting legitimate customers who merely disable securom because they are fed up of being locked out of their own game for dumb reasons.

Though you seem ready to admit that 360 is not on a level playing field with PC for risk of piracy which has been my point all along.

I certainly hope you will agree that DRM like securom utterly fails as an anti-piracy measure and there is zero problem with selling a product DRM-free. I mean look at the MP3's sold by Amazon, totally DRM free, yet they still sell a bucket load.

That lovely statistic of "PC only 14% of game-sales/market" is incredibly misleading because:
-It compares not unit sales but total earnings in $
-it factors in ALL consoles from PS2, Wii, as well as 360 and PS3, so it's at least 4 vs 1 = 20% all things equal.
-It also factors sale of hardware and peripherals of consoles... yet because graphics cards could be for non-gaming purposes they are not factored which is a VAST amount of money not considered.
-PC games around the world are legitimately sold at retail for a lower price than console (no licence fee) so could sell equal numbers of games, the same amount of money to the developer yet less money earned "on paper". Then there are the non-retail online sales, much more popular with PC gamers where they are practically bought wholesale = even lower price.
-Does it factor in online sales like via Steam, Good-old-games and Direct2Drive? I don't think so.
-Consoles have ALWAYS been more of a "populous" activity, that's the POINT! Since the days of the NES, just plug in and play, that is inevitably a much larger percentage of the crowd

Michael Bay sells more movie tickets than Michael Mann, THAT DOES NOT MAKE HIM "BETTER"!!!

This reminds me of a similar thing which happened to the UK music industry in the early 2000's as a very popular BBC music show called Top of the Pops were legally mandated by their quasi-socialistic charter to play what was on the top 20 based on CD sales alone, regardless of any taste or even logic.

But it's wasn't stuff like Kasabian or Beyoncee, none of the stuff anyone request or expects to hear on the radio, instead the chart was inundated with with soft and weepy ballads that honestly only menopausal women nostalgic of 70's smaltz would possibly like.

That was because the charts only counted CD sales and CD sales had been falling with young people in favour of itunes and the place where CDs were rising where in supermarkets targeting middle age mothers or grandmothers with special deals and advertising were making amazing sales. The market had changed, the chart was no longer reflecting actual tastes of the general music consuming public... but tell that to a thick headed BBC chief.

This irrevocably damaged Top of the Pops and did not change till EVENTUALLY they fessed up and factored in legitimate download sales (kinda hard as it was not obvious if a song bought off iTunes was actually bought in the UK) then it was like a revolution, Top of the Pops was no longer inundated with shit weepy ballads but the ACTUAL music people were listening to.

But the damage was done and for the show blindly following statistics with no insight the show had plummeted in ratings and fell so far from grace, being already moved to the "death slot" of late on Sunday night, so that it could not recover. It was cancelled in 2006 after running continuously for 42 years, ever since The Beatles were topping the charts.

... all because they were mislead by The Charts.

I mean this site wouldn't dedicated 50% of it's articles/reviews to Wii just because it sells more? In fact it should have dedicated 50% to PS2, 30% to Wii and just a footnote to 360/PS3.
 
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Asehujiko said:
People stealing boxes of consoles from stores =/= pirates. Besides that, i fully support whatever action is done to take down those assholes at infinityward.
Yeah, stealing boxes = theft and it's pretty worse.
And yeah sure, let's take down those assholes programmers and artists working 60 hours/week. They don't deserve to get paid....... :\
Games are made by people with faces, don't forget that.
 

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ShadowKirby said:
Asehujiko said:
People stealing boxes of consoles from stores =/= pirates. Besides that, i fully support whatever action is done to take down those assholes at infinityward.
Yeah, stealing boxes = theft and it's pretty worse.
And yeah sure, let's take down those assholes programmers and artists working 60 hours/week. They don't deserve to get paid....... :\
Games are made by people with faces, don't forget that.
And there I was thinking they were made by people without faces.



Well now I know!
 

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Based on what IW have done to the PC version of this game, i'm not so sure they don't deserve it! http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=25691

EDIT: As a student training to be a games programmer, i meant this tongue-in-cheek.
 

Jaebird

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Wow; so there is this a level of stupid that involves Craiglist and pirates! Who knew? :)
 

Sevre

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That is awesome, I didn't even know we had internet detectives. Those pirates deserve to rot anyway, downloading the game is one thing, but selling it? That's low.