Dark Knight Rises Shooting Leaves 12 Dead

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John Funk said:
US President Barack Obama released a statement saying that he and First Lady Michelle Obama were "shocked and saddened by the horrific and tragic shooting. "As we do when confronted by moments of darkness and challenge," he added, "we must now come together as one American family."
Empty, meaningless and quite insulting political rhetoric if you ask me.
 

Quiotu

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Adam Jensen said:
John Funk said:
US President Barack Obama released a statement saying that he and First Lady Michelle Obama were "shocked and saddened by the horrific and tragic shooting. "As we do when confronted by moments of darkness and challenge," he added, "we must now come together as one American family."
Empty, meaningless and quite insulting political rhetoric if you ask me.
People were asking for a response, and he gave one... so fuck you, it wasn't him just doing it for shits and giggles. It's only political at all because gun control has distinct sides in politics most of the time.

I do have to offer this, though. Does it not scare you that anyone with this mentality can just casually spend $6000+ on weapons, ammo, and body armor... including an AR-15 equivalent with a 100 round mag, and no one selling it to him in the state of CO didn't see it as potentially odd behavior?

I think it's pretty safe to assume that had he not been able to buy the semi-automatic rifle, less people would've died. I think that's safe to assume, right? The only valid excuse people have for owning a gun this lethal is usually 'it's fun to shoot'. Which pretty much puts you on par with the shooter's mentality, doesn't it? As long as YOU didn't shoot the baby then it's not a problem... right?

So yes, I do have a problem with someone justifying the purchase of automatic weapons to defend themselves against people like James Holmes because he's allowed to purchase automatic weapons. Funny how the problem is also the solution, eh? When your only justification is a logical paradox, you have issues.
 

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FEichinger said:
Now this is an interesting idea ...

According to CNN, the shooter pretended to be the Joker.
What? Did he give himself away when people noticed that he wasn't making jokes while killing people?
 

Antari

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Sn1P3r M98 said:
Antari said:
Sn1P3r M98 said:
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which were bought legally, apparently.
As of right now, no one who's investigating this has said any such thing. They may have been; they may also have been bought through drug channels, as these weapons ALSO tend to be popular with gangs.
Actually this is confirmed. He bought the shotgun and two pistols at a Bass Pro Shop. Haven't heard about the assault rifle, other than it was in fact bought legally. I heard something about Gander Mountain, though im not sure if you can buy assault rifles at Gander Mountain
You can't buy assault rifles at Gander Mountain, but you can buy AR-15s. AR-15s are not assault rifles, they are semi automatic and only fire one shot per trigger pull. Assault rifles fire multiple shots per trigger pull.
A rifle firing 5.56 that can be fired as fast as the trigger is pulled, isn't meant for hunting deer. Its an assault rifle. Fully automatic does not dictate its initial design purpose. To kill people, in war.
I agree, it's not a weapon made for killing deer. Still, if you want to get technical, it's not an assault rifle due to it's inability to fire multiple rounds per trigger pull.
Actually if you want to get technical here are the actual defining points for naming a rifle as an assault weapon in 1994 by the government, and I quote.

"In general, the AWB defined any firearm with a detachable magazine and at least two of certain other characteristics as an assault weapon."

For rifles, those characteristics included:

Telescoping stock (AR-15, and M4)
Pistol grip (AR-15, M4, M16)
Bayonet mount
Grenade launcher
Flash suppressor

Full auto rifles are automatically classified as assault rifles, even if they don't meet this criteria. But in the case of this shooter using an AR-15, even if it was in factory form, it would be an assault rifle. As well this is literally for classification only, the statute that classifies the AR-15 as an assault rifle in the government's eyes, expired after President Clinton left office, so it is legal to own one again. But the classification stands as far as the government is concerned.
 

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samaugsch said:
FEichinger said:
Now this is an interesting idea ...

According to CNN, the shooter pretended to be the Joker.
What? Did he give himself away when people noticed that he wasn't making jokes while killing people?
I kinda think it was that "killing people with guns and armor" thing that gave him away, but who knows?
 

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What a heinous incident. Just goes to show that you can never tell who is harboring murderous madness within them. (Shooting up a Batman premiere? FOR WHAT?) If only this could've been foreseen or prevented...

My heart goes out to the victims, I'll never comprehend what drives people to such violence against innocent people.
 

kuolonen

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You know whats the best part about these shootings? The state of web afterwards. Aside from the glorious raving and ranting there's also the lovable sociopaths and their little jests. In the interest of not getting flamed I will refrain from posting them here. (Although I admit giggling for a few of them)

On eeh... Topic? Even if they banned guns from U.S. government could not remove the guns already in circulation in our lifetime. And the "Man" trying to get guns away from people whose motto is "from my cold, dead hands" is just asking for a freaking bloodbath.
 

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Calbeck said:
Alex Crouch said:
Actually this is confirmed. He bought the shotgun and two pistols at a Bass Pro Shop.
Sorry, gonna have to ask for a quote on this, because having just checked the latest updates I could find online, there's been no such statement. That said, I would not be surprised if he did buy these three weapons over the counter since they're routinely sold to people of proper age with a clean background --- which he was --- for hunting and personal defense.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/20/us/colorado-theater-shooting/index.html

that's a live update of new information. Here is a quote:

"A law enforcement source said two of the guns used in the attack were purchased at a Bass Pro Shop in Denver, while the two others were bought at separate Gander Mountain Guns outlets in the area. Investigators also found a drum magazine, capable of carrying 100 rounds of ammunition, which was attached to the AR-15 rifle, two law enforcement officials said."

Haven't heard about the assault rifle, other than it was in fact bought legally. I heard something about Gander Mountain
1) Citing "something you heard" as being "fact"? Link please.

2) Assault rifles are, by definition, full-auto. That's so you can lay down suppressive fire as you assault an enemy position. An AR-15 is semi-auto. That's useful for police SWAT, but doesn't make it an assault rifle.
Okay i wasn't meaning to state it as fact. I was just saying it was "something I had heard." Which it was. I never implied it was fact as i explicitly said, "I'm not sure." Also if you take a look at the above link it does mention two weapons were bought at Gander Mountain. Also, the police chief is the one i heard say "assault rifle". That quote is also in the link above. I don't know a lot about guns, so I just took what the police chief said. Honestly I don't care if it was an "assault rifle" or not. I was just using the general term everyone was referring to it as.

Actually, this is where CNN mentions calling it "assault rifle". Again, I don't really care if it is or not. http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/20/theater-shooting-gunman-just-firing-picking-random-people/?iref=allsearch
 

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Okay, I wasn't sure if it was or not. I was just using the term I heard the police chief used. So your issue is with him. I don't know that about the AR-15. Thanks
 

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Umm, maybe you could like, ban guns that are designed exclusively for killing people from the general public. And also maybe stop being dumbasses when it comes to weapons and hunting.

Here's a transcript from this very site's forums from about last year.

OP: "I need a new hunting rifle, should I get an AR15 or an AK47"
Someone Else: "AK"
Me: "Both of those weapons are inappropriate for hunting, the caliber and bullet velocity is higher than you need, and they're less accurate than a bolt action. Those weapons are exclusively for military purposes, and are unsuited to hunting animals anyway."

At this point they begin to flame me. I really need to say this to the entirety of the United States of America. You should not have guns, because retards shouldn't be allowed to have guns. If you can't tell the difference between a good hunting rifle and a combat weapon, you are a retard, and massacres are what happens when you give retards assault rifles. #tag port arthur
 

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notimeforlulz said:
Umm, maybe you could like, ban guns that are designed exclusively for killing people from the general public. And also maybe stop being dumbasses when it comes to weapons and hunting.

Here's a transcript from this very site's forums from about last year.

OP: "I need a new hunting rifle, should I get an AR15 or an AK47"
Someone Else: "AK"
Me: "Both of those weapons are inappropriate for hunting, the caliber and bullet velocity is higher than you need, and they're less accurate than a bolt action. Those weapons are exclusively for military purposes, and are unsuited to hunting animals anyway."

At this point they begin to flame me. I really need to say this to the entirety of the United States of America. You should not have guns, because retards shouldn't be allowed to have guns. If you can't tell the difference between a good hunting rifle and a combat weapon, you are a retard, and massacres are what happens when you give retards assault rifles. #tag port arthur
thank you for this
 

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You have no disagreement from me. I don't blame Batman, the Joker, or Christopher Nolan for this. I blame the person who pulled the trigger. He is the one responsible for it.

I agree that there is something wrong with the kid, but I don't want to say that he is mentally insane or anything (no more than you have to be to willingly kill a person). By doing so, a lot of people seem to take the responsibility for the person's actions off that person. And then they start saying how we should be taking better care of such people and society has all these responsibilities for them. Suddenly, it's OUR fault that we allowed it to happen. Either because we "failed him", or we don't ban guns, or our "culture is sick and violent", or some other equally inane concept or combination thereof. No, he is responsible, and only him. You can't police everyone and you shouldn't try.
You don't need to be mentally insane to be a sociopath. He just seems to me like a smug person with a god-complex. Ah well, I am not qualified to make a real psychological report of him, so I will trust that to better minds.

There is no need to police everyone, you can't be like Ubisoft with it's DRM, that punishes the majority, because of a few rotten apples with piracy tendencies. It doesn't work in real life.
 

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Tanis said:
GoddyofAus said:
Tanis said:
*waits for the 'those people' to start preaching 'this is why we need to ban guns' crap*
It's purile and juvenile responses like this that allowed this, Columbine, Virginia Tech and every other massacre to happen in the first place.
Picture is a LITTLE old, but the point still stands...

I'll tell you this:
If just two or three people in that theater were armed, and went through the proper training...there would probably be a LOT less bodies.

The only thing strict gun control laws do is disarm LAW FOLLOWING CITIZENS.
IF a crazy person or a scum bag wants a weapon, they-will-find-a-way-to-get-it.

NORMAL PEOPLE DON'T DO CRAP LIKE THIS.
It's childish to think that 'banning all the guns' will stop criminals, or prevent massacres.
now allow me to show you the good guys

http://www.flickr.com/photos/26962760@N00/3453373409/
 

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Glass Joe said:
Yo, maybe instead of worrying about guns, we can all try to take care of ourselves and be more loving towards others?
lol, this, very simply.

killers are going to kill, gun or not, so let's stop them from being killers in the first place.
I heard that the mother said she "knew" this was going to happen, apparently knowing that her son was kind of twisted... why the fuck didn't she get him help?
 

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I'ts pretty obvious he was inspired by The Dark Knight (my favorite movie mind you) and no one seems to be condemning film. Watch, if it was CoD or something then we'd hear no end to the "evils of videogames" report #345607533.
 

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iblis666 said:
based on the fact that he booby trapped his apartment with a bunch of as the police call them "sophisticated explosives" and had gas canisters that he tossed into the crowed, the fact he had guns may have saved more lives than he took since either way he was going to take lives.

I mean just think what damage this freak could have done if he decided to start blowing stuff up instead of shooting people we could have had 71 dead and not 12.
That is pure speculation. I stand by my statement that guns are the easiest, most straightforward way to kill people. You don't have to get the ingredients and parts and hide in a basement, tinkering, as with explosives. You also don't have to approach your victim and apply physical force like with knifes. There are alot of mental and physical hurdles to kill somebody in an "old fashioned way". Guns are an invention designed to make killing as easy as possible. The more readily guns are available, the more people will use them. Good and bad guys.
overall you may be right but in this case the guy had the explosives and the know how and probably could have made more
 

Cid Silverwing

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Am I the only one who thinks this ************ was influenced by the terrorist who attacked Norway?