Dark Souls - More like Dark Trolls

[syaoran728]

It's not a natural part of the PC progression, though, unless I managed to sequence break somewhere without realizing it. The only place I know I sequence broke was killing Sif before getting the lordvessel (actually, even before reaching Sen's Fortress), but I don't see how that could have done it.

From what I understand, though (based on other peoples' hints, since the wiki is bizarrely vague on the DLC), I needed to:

1) Kill the hydra (check).
2) Return the hydra area and kill the golden golem (check).
3) Kill a crystal golem in the Duke's Archives (check).
4) Return to the hydra area a third time (why in the hell would I have done this?).
5) ???
6) Profit?

Since I kind of assumed it would come up naturally (the DLC being part of the reason I didn't just eat the $40 I spent on Steam and just buy the 360 version for better gameplay), I didn't think about the DLC after a certain point, until someone told me (three hours too late) to head back to Darkroot Basin. I got unwittingly lost around step 3, since I didn't play the console version, so I had no idea there was something odd about the crystal golem or its drop.

After killing the Golden Golem by the lake you unlock a useful magic shop that foreshadows the DLC.

 

[NeutralDrow]

After killing the Golden Golem by the lake you unlock a useful magic shop that foreshadows the DLC.

Where might this magic shop be?

 

[Diablo2000]

The best way I find to deal with the Anor Londor snipers is run at then, dodge their arrows, two hand your weapon and pray for the best. Tried to knock then with Force before but it didn't work... Maybe Wrath of the Gods will, but I don't think you can get it at that point in the game, also there's the Poison Arrow method of dealing with them, but either that would require a very good bow or the Hawk Ring, at that point in the game I have neither so I never tried myself.

Try getting the fog ring by trading with snuggly or the hidden body spell and run straight to the right one.
They will probably not even shoot at you once.
If you have enough int, you can soul spear him to death without risk (or just use pyromancy) since you can lock on to him just outside of his sight radius.

That's actually a good idea... Pretty good one in fact. I wish I had thought of that.
I will try that on my character, he has a couple Lanterns to spare...

After killing the Golden Golem by the lake you unlock a useful magic shop that foreshadows the DLC.

Where might this magic shop be?

After you kill the Hydra, you quit and reload, go the left in the water, you see the Golden Golem in a bit. He's tougher than regular Golems so be on your guard, the Rusted Iron Rings you be a huge help to you in this fight. You will find Dusk's summon sign near the lake by a rock, she sells a couple of good spells and others shitty ones, and very useless Catalyst.
You need to came back here in order to acess the DLC after you get the Broken Pendant from the Blue Golem into the beggining of Duke's Archives.

 

[Exius Xavarus]

Kupo!

Actually, short of getting into Sen's Fortress before ringing the bells or getting into the gold fog areas before placing Lordvessel, there's no such thing as sequence breaking. You can kill Sif before even ringing the first bell(or fighting the Hydra if you farm the souls you need for the crest). Hell, if you're good enough, you can kill Four Kings and get his Lord Soul Fragment before you ever set foot into Undead Burg.

The DLC is entirely optional and you don't have to do it at all and can complete the game without bothering. What I meant was that it's naturally part of the game for the PC version, as in there is no PC version of the game that lacks the DLC. Whereas it's grafted into the console version via DLC.

Also also if you don't have any specific rings in mind, I would also recommend the Wolf Ring, as well. The Wolf Ring gives you straight up 40 poise. That's the whole effect. Equip it for 40 poise. Actually, now that I think on it, it would actually be a pretty good combo. 38 poise from the Elite Knight(46 poise if you wear the whole set) +40 from the Wolf Ring would give you 78 poise(86 if you wear the full Elite Knight). 78 poise is enough to weather one shot from an Ultra Greatsword without being staggered.

After killing the Golden Golem by the lake you unlock a useful magic shop that foreshadows the DLC.

Where might this magic shop be?

Dusk of Oolacile, herself. She sells to you sorceries developed in Oolacile, after you rescue her.

 

[NeutralDrow]

After killing the Golden Golem by the lake you unlock a useful magic shop that foreshadows the DLC.

Where might this magic shop be?

After you kill the Hydra, you quit and reload, go the left in the water, you see the Golden Golem in a bit. He's tougher than regular Golems so be on your guard, the Rusted Iron Rings you be a huge help to you in this fight. You will find Dusk's summon sign near the lake by a rock, she sells a couple of good spells and others shitty ones, and very useless Catalyst.
You need to came back here in order to acess the DLC after you get the Broken Pendant from the Blue Golem into the beggining of Duke's Archives.

Yeah, I did all that just normally (the Golden Golem wasn't that hard, even in the water; I still had a fast roll, a long-range baldr sidesword, and an enemy that telegraphed everything), except for the whole "going back to the hydra area a third time." I don't remember if I tried buying things from Dusk, but if I did, none of it was stuff I was interested in, so I only spoke with her once.

Actually, short of getting into Sen's Fortress before ringing the bells or getting into the gold fog areas before placing Lordvessel, there's no such thing as sequence breaking. You can kill Sif before even ringing the first bell(or fighting the Hydra if you farm the souls you need for the crest). Hell, if you're good enough, you can kill Four Kings and get his Lord Soul Fragment before you ever set foot into Undead Burg.

Ah, I see. I assumed that was a sequence break when people started asking me why I wasn't sad over killing Sif. Apparently someone in-game would have told me what she's doing there and why she attacked when I got near that giant sword, and I would presumably have felt like crap. As it was, I just wandered there out of curiosity, got jumped by a giant wolf out of nowhere, and eventually killed it in celebration of finally getting my framerate to stabilize (it was a completely impossible fight without that).

The DLC is entirely optional and you don't have to do it at all and can complete the game without bothering. What I meant was that it's naturally part of the game for the PC version, as in there is no PC version of the game that lacks the DLC. Whereas it's grafted into the console version via DLC.

Ah, my mistake. I thought you were implying I had run into it and just didn't recognize it.

Also also if you don't have any specific rings in mind, I would also recommend the Wolf Ring, as well. The Wolf Ring gives you straight up 40 poise. That's the whole effect. Equip it for 40 poise. Actually, now that I think on it, it would actually be a pretty good combo. 38 poise from the Elite Knight(46 poise if you wear the whole set) +40 from the Wolf Ring would give you 78 poise(86 if you wear the full Elite Knight). 78 poise is enough to weather one shot from an Ultra Greatsword without being staggered.

Hmm, I don't think I found that one on my first run. Might have been nice then, since I stuck with the poiseless Wanderer armor the whole game, though I was pretty happy with the stealth, defense, and riposte-boosting rings.

For someone wearing heavier armor, though, that sounds fantastic. I'll keep it in mind.

After killing the Golden Golem by the lake you unlock a useful magic shop that foreshadows the DLC.

Where might this magic shop be?

Dusk of Oolacile, herself. She sells to you sorceries developed in Oolacile, after you rescue her.

Ah, no wonder I missed any foreshadowing. I wasn't in the market for sorceries, so I took her at her word when she implied she was leaving, and didn't think to return.

 

[Racecarlock]

Well I see the hardcore gamers are already out to prove their ballsiness.

"You have to use the nisful of nulfane found in the dungeon of skurgifor to narful the garthok!"

 

[Exius Xavarus]

I'm kupo for Kupo Nuts(I think normal snips are boring, if you couldn't already tell)!

You get a different scene before you fight Sif, if you saved him in the DLC(Sif is male, btw). You get a more personal scene and that's where the deal about being sad over killing Sif comes from.

And the only real forshadowing of the DLC is that Dusk tells you she's from Oolacile, that's about it. It's understandable for someone not to see "HEY! THIS IS WHERE THE DLC'S ENTRANCE IS AT!" because it's not particularly obvious how you'd go about accessing it.

As for the Wolf Ring, it's pretty easy to miss. When you pass the small grove containing three Bushmen and a consumable soul on the ground, you should enter the area just before the tower leading to the Moonlight Butterfly boss fight. Hang a sharp right the moment you enter and you'll see a big tree that you can kill(on rare occasions, it won't be there) and there's a passage behind it. Go down there and just follow the path, basically. It's a pretty sexy ring if you can afford the ring slot.

 

[Boris Goodenough]

You get a different scene before you fight Sif, if you saved him in the DLC(Sif is male, btw).

I always fund it weird he had a girls name, so I always called he a she and will continue to do so

 

[NeutralDrow]

Well I see the hardcore gamers are already out to prove their ballsiness.

"You have to use the nisful of nulfane found in the dungeon of skurgifor to narful the garthok!"

Don't forget to read the item description of the nisful and the related tchotchkes if you want to find out that the garthok was possibly the servant of the murdered god Simoslax who invented a sorcery that could purify the land and create breath mints out of thin air!

I'm kupo for Kupo Nuts(I think normal snips are boring, if you couldn't already tell)!

You get a different scene before you fight Sif, if you saved him in the DLC(Sif is male, btw). You get a more personal scene and that's where the deal about being sad over killing Sif comes from.

Male? Weird, I always assumed it was female, because it's named after Thor's wife.

Okay, further evidence that the DLC might actually have the player investment I couldn't get from the main game.

As for the Wolf Ring, it's pretty easy to miss. When you pass the small grove containing three Bushmen and a consumable soul on the ground, you should enter the area just before the tower leading to the Moonlight Butterfly boss fight. Hang a sharp right the moment you enter and you'll see a big tree that you can kill(on rare occasions, it won't be there) and there's a passage behind it. Go down there and just follow the path, basically. It's a pretty sexy ring if you can afford the ring slot.

Huh, I thought I went over that area with a bloodstained, fine-toothed comb. Maybe I did find it on my first character, and didn't understand the implications...oh well, I know I don't have it on my two-fisted brawler, so that'll be one of my first orders of business.

Assuming I can take on or avoid the treants and iron golems.

 

[Exius Xavarus]

Kweh!

I always assumed Sif was male because that how I'd always seen him referred to.

The Wolf Ring can be missed, sometimes easily. The ledge at the end where you jump back into the previous area of Darkroot is where the ring's located.

 

[CyberAkuma]

I really dislike the drop rates of the enemies in the game.
It is borderline similar to the drop-rates of Diablo III.
Tatinite Slabs for instance - the material you need to upgrade your gear is pretty much impossible to find.

Even with humanity popped up to 10 using the Covetous Gold Serpent Ring AND Symbol of Avarice the Darkwraiths in New Londo Ruins *NEVER* drop the slabs I need.
They drop chunks fairly often which is good but the slabs? No way in hell I'm getting that apprently.

 

[Church185]

Well I see the hardcore gamers are already out to prove their ballsiness.

"You have to use the nisful of nulfane found in the dungeon of skurgifor to narful the garthok!"

The vast majority of the people you are calling "hardcore" are just trying to offer advice and be helpful.

 

[Church185]

I really dislike the drop rates of the enemies in the game.
It is borderline similar to the drop-rates of Diablo III.
Tatinite Slabs for instance - the material you need to upgrade your gear is pretty much impossible to find.

Even with humanity popped up to 10 using the Covetous Gold Serpent Ring AND Symbol of Avarice the Darkwraiths in New Londo Ruins *NEVER* drop the slabs I need.
They drop chunks fairly often which is good but the slabs? No way in hell I'm getting that apprently.

I'll give you that one. Farming slabs is a huge pain, but I have managed to skirt this a little bit by connecting with the community and trading online. Each playthrough there is a place where you can get a slab of each color as an item pick up instead of farming for a drop, and I don't usually need all of the different colors, so I trade for a the colors I do need.

Sadly I don't have a solution for people who play offline though. Farming Darkwraiths, Crystal Butterflys, Pinwheel Servants or Chaos Eaters isn't fun at all.

 

[Racecarlock]

Well I see the hardcore gamers are already out to prove their ballsiness.

"You have to use the nisful of nulfane found in the dungeon of skurgifor to narful the garthok!"

The vast majority of the people you are calling "hardcore" are just trying to offer advice and be helpful.

Most of the people I've seen are just in the thread to tell him he sucks. Sure, some of them offer advice while they're doing so.

But mainly I wanted to make a joke out of the fact that I had no idea about any of the items, locations, or enemies they're talking about, and what this looks like to an outsider.

 

[Church185]

Most of the people I've seen are just in the thread to tell him he sucks. Sure, some of them offer advice while they're doing so.

But mainly I wanted to make a joke out of the fact that I had no idea about any of the items, locations, or enemies they're talking about, and what this looks like to an outsider.

I see just as many posters in these threads here to bash the "hardcore" Dark Souls fans, check the very first response to this thread as an example. I'm sick of the stereotype, and it is making me want to stop helping people who have trouble, like the OP.

 

[Jimmy T. Malice]

I've been playing DS on NG+ recently, was surprised at how easy it all seemed to be honest, only bosses that caused me trouble was Manus, for some reason I am unable to act properly even though I know how to avoid his shit, he messes with my head.

I guess what I'm trying to say is Manus is my nemesis...
The biggest troll moment for me is without a doubt how dying on Dark Sun Gwyndolin works. Regardless of where you rested you get ported to Anor Londo bonfire where the firekeeper is now hostile, and you had to move the walkway so you have to go the long way around...

I will agree the auto aim of the enemies isn't perfect, but this usually only goes wrong when I've accidentally gotten a little too close and do some evasive stuff and they pull some strange spinning on their own axis trick and end up landing their attack in the opposite direction of where I end up yet still hitting me, but I use a tanky str build so it will almost never oneshot me.

In regards to Havel you will notice if you use the Dragon Tooth or another Great Hammer that your attacks work the same way, with auto aim enabled you will readjust your swing to wards your target after the pre-swing or what you might call it.

I always respawned at the Darkmoon bonfire right front of Gwyndolin... maybe you should have waited until you killed him before killing Gwynevere.

 

[Racecarlock]

Most of the people I've seen are just in the thread to tell him he sucks. Sure, some of them offer advice while they're doing so.

But mainly I wanted to make a joke out of the fact that I had no idea about any of the items, locations, or enemies they're talking about, and what this looks like to an outsider.

I see just as many posters in these threads here to bash the "hardcore" Dark Souls fans, check the very first response to this thread as an example. I'm sick of the stereotype, and it is making me want to stop helping people who have trouble, like the OP.

Ah, the number one rule of all internet forums. Everyone is an oppressed minority.