David Cameron calls for all teens to do community service.

[dex-dex]

as much as I don't see a problem with people doing community service work, making it mandatory does not help the problem.
only making it mandatory for those who have been suspended from school or have been known to stir the pot for no reason should.
such as instead of a teenager just staying home for suspension, maybe work at a soup kitchen for eight hours or whatever is applicable in the area. It helps the community and if the teenager hates it then maybe they don't pull any bullshit when there is no need to.

Now you said that, that is a VERY good idea. Kids who are suspended/expelled from school actually like it cos they can be with their friends and do whatever they want all day. That would be a really good punishment for those sort of people.

HA ZA! I have figured out the problem!
In my Secondary school, It was mandatory to complete forty hours of community service within the four year They don't care when you do it as long as when you graduate, you have them. no community service, no diploma.
do they have this in England?

 

[zehydra]

"what us teens did in the riots"

"us teens"

"us"


No. This is a generalization pure and simple. There is no need to ever affiliate yourself with a criminal simply because you share some characteristic with him.

 

[EeveeElectro]

Yes, because it was all 16 year olds doing the rioting. He's like, "Um... would you chaps like to clean up, please? It's fine if you don't, just wondering..." He is a complete **** and if he gets voted in again I'm moving countries. (I hear Sweden is nice this time of year).

Well, it can get quite rainy in some parts, but we pride ourselves in having some of the most beautiful autumns in Europe.

That's just my way of saying "If you want to move further away from David Cameron, please come to Sweden!".

Sweden seems a really liberal place to live, with them legalizing gay marriage and teaching about it in school, for example. It just seems like a lovely place, but then again I can't know until I visit.

 

[ToastiestZombie]

"what us teens did in the riots"

"us teens"

"us"


No. This is a generalization pure and simple. There is no need to ever affiliate yourself with a criminal simply because you share some characteristic with him.

No, that was meant to be as if it was being said by Cameron, that is not my view.

 

[ultimateownage]

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
No.

 

[Da Orky Man]

This is blasphemy, this is madness!

The goverment can't possibly force you to do this! If you don't want to do the service, refuse taking part. Many people did nothing wrong. I say that there should be a boycott.

Although this dosen't apply to me, because I'm chilling out in Ireland

Madness... THIS. IS. BRITAIN!!!!

 

[Hydro14]

For those of you who don't speak fluent political tripe, or didn't follow the link; this isn't compulsory. He's suggesting cultivating a social stigma to go with non-participation, but he's in no way suggesting it's a legal requirement.

EDIT: Though he may have liked the idea of making it compulsory, even Cameron isn't stupid enough to think he could push that through; it'd be a human rights violation, plain and simple.

 

[ToastiestZombie]

This is blasphemy, this is madness!

The goverment can't possibly force you to do this! If you don't want to do the service, refuse taking part. Many people did nothing wrong. I say that there should be a boycott.

Although this dosen't apply to me, because I'm chilling out in Ireland

Madness... THIS. IS. BRITAIN!!!!

Well done, much better than my boring response. I shall give you, 10 internets!

 

[Adam28]

as much as I don't see a problem with people doing community service work, making it mandatory does not help the problem.
only making it mandatory for those who have been suspended from school or have been known to stir the pot for no reason should.
such as instead of a teenager just staying home for suspension, maybe work at a soup kitchen for eight hours or whatever is applicable in the area. It helps the community and if the teenager hates it then maybe they don't pull any bullshit when there is no need to.

Now you said that, that is a VERY good idea. Kids who are suspended/expelled from school actually like it cos they can be with their friends and do whatever they want all day. That would be a really good punishment for those sort of people.

I'm going to second that as well, seeing as yes, they actually do nothing but stay at home which is ridiculous.

Fucking hell if I ever need evidence of how stupid, lazy and lacking in perspective some people are all I need do is come to this forum. Everyone, EVERYone, should do some form of community service and what's more it will be A)fun and B) excellent for job prospects.

Anyone of you want to be a PE teacher? volunteer to help coach a kids football team. Want to be a doctor or teacher? volunteer at a school or teaching hospital. Wanna work with kids? you see where I'm going with this. Any number of charities would take people on to help out the elderly, disabled and otherwise needy. These kind of opportunities can't be got through work experience alone, are character building and can lead to future careers.

Stop moaning about Cameron's technique regarding fixing the situation this country has been left in. Stop being self centred little shits, turn off your laptop, log out of PSN, get of your out of shape arse and give something back to the country that gives you free education, free health care, free police, fire and armed forces, free roads, free rubbish collection, free libraries, free social care, free museums, free art galleries and probably hundreds of things I've missed.

And before anyone pipes up about taxes: anyone affected by this doesn't pay taxes anyway so here's a pre-emptive shut the fuck up.

Seriously I swear I lose brain cells reading the responses from some of the morons on this forum.

It technically isn't free, we are paying for it through taxes... just saying. Maybe at 16, but not for your parents and when you turn 18. Plus I highly doubt most people will find it fun, and if everyone does it then its not going to add much to a CV. Although community service is obviously a good thing, it shouldn't be mandatory for everyone to do it, especially for those working full time jobs who barely have enough free time as it is.

Now community service for people on benefits is a whole other argument which I don't want to get into.

 

[Joshimodo]

Hey, Cameron, how about taking the silver spoon out before you talk? Don't you have any manners?

 

[Danny Roberts]

It technically isn't free, we are paying for it through taxes... just saying. Maybe at 16, but not for your parents and when you turn 18.

since you missed the pre-emptive one: shut the FUCK up. Those services you use are not dependent on the taxes you don't pay.

Plus I highly doubt most people will find it fun, and if everyone does it then its not going to add much to a CV. Although community service is obviously a good thing, it shouldn't be mandatory for everyone to do it, especially for those working full time jobs who barely have enough free time as it is.

Now community service for people on benefits is a whole other argument which I don't want to get into.

That's a lot of assuming there. It'll do wonders for your CV if you choose something relevant to what you want to do. If you don't know what to do this could help you find out. Why is this learning, enlightening opportunity for you lot being seen as a chore? If I had my way you'd all be doing a year in the forces at 16.

 

[The Funslinger]

Spoiler: NEWS JUST IN!

DAVID CAMERON SPOUTS SOME ELITIST CRAP THAT WIDENS THE GAPING DIVIDE IN THE BRITISH CLASS SYSTEM!

Ahem, sorry about that. Yeah, this isn't surprising. He would send the poorer classes up chimneys if he could. He'd ship them abroad if it weren't for the European government. It ain't nice living in a country dominated by the political right, and unfortunately intelligence is a rarity, so they're democratically going to keep winning. Oooh, it feels like the 80's again! Thank fuck I'm not a teenager.

Yeah, I agree. Unfortunately, as a teenager, I'm going to end up having to live through his nightmare. I narrowly escaped the mandatory sixth form thing (although I'm going into it anyway, because I'm not so stupid as to think I can get anything more than a supermarket/fast food job without it. (I don't know a "trade", as it were.) He's essentially trying to pack as many people into higher education as possible, even though it isn't for everyone. Things like University used to just be necessary for the people who were going to do the big stuff. Over the past few years (admittedly before he came into his administration) everyone has been encouraged to go off to Uni. Now suddenly "Oh, too much financial risk, let's triple the cost to students and get rid of the 21k salary repayment scheme!" Pick one, mate. And even then, tripling is a bit much. Or you could just leave it as is and stop trying to give everyone Diplomas that a lot of people don't need.

 

[stefanbertramlee]

HaHaHAHaHaHAHaHaHAHaHaHA.

No.

 

[Nickolai77]

So long as it's optional i'm fine with it- i.e- make voluntary schemes more widespread and open to young teenagers, but not mandatory. It would also help young adults like university students whom could volunteer to help run these volunteer programs in order to improve their CV to help them get jobs.


What i would object to is making it mandatory. The state should not be allowed to force people to do things "for their own good"- they can encourage by all means, but never by force.

 

[weker]

And David Cameron keeps acting like a bad stereotype of a british conservative. Well done Mr. Cameron.

Also, people riot because they are angry over something (racism, poverty, governmental opression etc.) not because they are lacking in "Moral Fiber". Fucking retard.

rioting yes looting is more about I want stuff, but I get what you mean.

 

[Apprentice1994]

Just like what was said in Critical Miss, don't blame anything. If you want to put blame for the riots on someone, blame it on the rioters. You know, because without rioters, there would be no riots, right? It is the responsibility of the people to maintain self-control.

 

[CardinalPiggles]

Muhahaha I'm 20, so they can't make me do it!

And I agree about this being extreme, but I think it is a good idea, there is never enough volunteers/ criminals for what could be done to make Britain nicer, especially London. And a little community service (labour) is good for building character. I'm always too busy with work then too tired to even think about criminal activity.

 

[Kleatus]

In Ontario (Canada) we're required to do 40 hours of community service to recieve a high school diploma.

It also hasn't hurt. It's not a bad idea, just worded poorly. Also, LOL at the sensationalist a few posts back saying months of service for no pay. Somehow, I doubt that's what he meant.

 

[Apollo45]

So, um... I seem to be missing something, but what exactly is the problem with community service? Seriously, it's not bad, and it gives you something to put on a resume saying, "hey, I have experience doing ___, and was a nice enough guy to do it for free to help others". Always a good thing. On top of that, since when did a bit of hard work kill anyone? Have you never worked outside before? Is it really that bad to get out and do a bit of physical labor?

Hell, you might not even be doing physical labor. Community service doesn't always mean building a railroad; volunteering at an animal shelter is community service. Or you could help an old lady take care of her yard. They don't need to force you to do a specific thing either. Making it a requirement to continue on to higher education works just as well; that gives you years to figure out when and what you want to do to count towards your service.

I'll admit freely I'm American, so I'm not exactly up-to-date on British politics, and there might be something else going on here. That said, I don't see anything particularly wrong with this.

 

[LordFisheh]

I'm all for it. At least he's not bringing National Service back.

These riots piss me off not because of the whole destruction schtick but because they weren't actually about anything. It wasn't a protest against the government, it wasn't the poor against the rich. It was a bunch of oppurtunist thugs causing anarchy for the sake of anarchy. This is an unfortunate side-effect from a government that thinks it was politically minded.

No, they said 'we hate the rich' so it's a legitimate protest. Like how when EDL types insist that immigrants are stealing their jobs they're making a valid criticism of an actual social problem that they have made efforts to understand, as opposed to just being racist thugs.

/sarcasm off

People need to accept the fact that just because rioters claim some left wing motivation they do not become noble revolutionaries. I understand that if you lean leftwards (or any direction, really) and see rioters shouting values that you share then it's tempting to believe them and support them. But when you look at their actions - murder, beatings, theft - are these really the values supported by the Left? People will justify their actions by anything they can rally behind. Sadly, these thugs are not on your side. They might shout a few shared slogans, but their actions speak far louder.