David Gaider says Bioware decides what 'dead' means in Dragon Age 2

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

I can't believe I actually read this entire thread of vitriol and petty anger. I must be a masochist, or some sort of glutton for punishment. :\

She died in front of The Urn of Sacred Ashes.

I mean, c'mon.

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That you ruined. That is the reason she turns on you. You make them worthless for the cult.

 

[AugustFall]

Protip: Its better to own your mistakes than it is to just call the person pointing them out wrong.

(And if anyone says that I need an apostrophe in "Its" then SHUT UP YOU ARE WRONG.)

... I may be missing some hilarious joke but "it's" is it is. "Its" is possessive.

OT: Having never played DA:O is there actually an option to cut off her head or does she like fall off a cliff never to be seen again?

 

[4173]

Wow... that has to have been taken out of context. There is no other way that makes sense :O

Pretty huge Mass Effect spoiler in the OP there....

It came out in 07. There has to be a cutoff point sometime.

I'm playing through it now. There shouldn't be a cutoff point, that's ridiculous. Think of all the old, classic games you haven't played and think what it'd be like to have the WHOLE story ruined for you. Case in point: FF7.

Rosebud was his childhood sled.

 

[Mrsoupcup]

Ooh, how about this. It's all being narrated by Varric, so he's wrong.

There, hand-waved again. There's so many ways to dismiss this it's ridiculous(granted, DA3 will most likely prove this 100% wrong.)

The fact is we're just demanding a lot from Bioware. Getting every possibility from DAO to transfer would be crazy amounts of work. Hell, I've killed Zevran and he's in DA2.

If it's to much work then they shouldn't have had the option in the first place. All my choices, (Even the very tiny ones) were present in Mass effect 2 from Mass Effect 1. Things getting glanced over like that is proof that DOA: 2 was badly rushed.

Not saying I hate the game, (After all I played it almost 24 hours straight) but it could have been so very much more had they waited a few more months to release it.

 

[TheSnesDuckling]

It's Gaider. And it's Bioware. What did you expect.

 

[Slycne]

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My point was simply that apparently when given proper cause people are willing to accept these kind of things. Leliana is merely revealed as a surprise rather than receiving a full cameo or extended narrative time, so I don't get why everyone is getting so bent out of shape that it wasn't fully revealed down to every intricate detail.

 

[Kingsnake661]

I'm just glad this David Gaider isn't writing for ME3. I'd say, with a few small exceptions that were acknolaged as bugs, (Connrad Viner to springs to mind.) they pretty much reshape ME2 to fit your ME1 file save farily perfectly. Now granted, this will be much tricker in ME3 with how many different plot points and veriables there will be, but, so far Mac Walters seems up to the task. Time will tell.

And, bet you anything, the reason David keeps droping the whole "we never offered an explination" for the womens revivial is because they working to save face behind the sceens and will have some kind of explanation for it in a DLC eventually. Or they'll just leave it a "mystery". Gee. If it was a screw up, grow a pair and admit it. If not.. well, it'd be hard to convince anyone at this point... but if that is the case, we'll prolly see an explantion in a DLC.

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

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My point was simply that apparently when given proper cause people are willing to accept these kind of things. Leliana is merely revealed as a surprise rather than receiving a full cameo or extended narrative time, so I don't get why everyone is getting so bent out of shape that it wasn't fully revealed down to every intricate detail.

Still, she is human, not a near immortal witch. Resurrection spells are not part of the DA lore. The Urn of Sacred Ashes is ruined (The reason she turns on you). It is not that people weren't anticipating it like with Flemeth. It is just impossible.

 

[LogicNProportion]

I never knew Bioware followed comic book logic.

Everything, including real life history, follows comic book logic. xD

 

[MatsVS]

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That you ruined. That is the reason she turns on you. You make them worthless for the cult.

Fair point, but perhaps there is some latent holiness or whatever in the ruins which housed the ashes for centuries. Perhaps the person who reached the ashes before you accidentally sneezed in the ashes after helping themselves to a pinch, coating the chamber in a fine layer of Andraste. Or perhaps simply squeezing some drops of dragon into the damn urn doesn't really ruin the ashes.

The fact of the matter is, the metaphysics of the Dragon Age universe have never been explained in a satisfactory matter. Spewing anger towards Bioware before the story is told to completion is better left to simpletons, while people genuinely interested in the story they are trying to tell are better off delaying judgement.

 

[ProtoChimp]

Well that is just fucking piss poor.

 

[Slycne]

Still, she is human, not a near immortal witch. Resurrection spells are not part of the DA lore. The Urn of Sacred Ashes is ruined (The reason she turns on you). It is not that people weren't anticipating it like with Flemeth. It is just impossible.

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Wynne is a otherwise normal human who died and was returned to life, so there is already precedent in the lore for such these kind of things. So I don't see how you can put your stamp your foot down to say that it's simply impossible.

Really it's a matter of providing proper suspension of disbelief. Certainly going "Surprise! We had proper resurrection this whole time and forgot to use it to save the King or anyone else". wouldn't go over very well, but I can think of at least a few ways it could be more cleverly explained.

 

[Zakarath]

Protip: Its better to own your mistakes than it is to just call the person pointing them out wrong.

(And if anyone says that I need an apostrophe in "Its" then SHUT UP YOU ARE WRONG.)

... I may be missing some hilarious joke but "it's" is it is. "Its" is possessive.

OT: Having never played DA:O is there actually an option to cut off her head or does she like fall off a cliff never to be seen again?

Yeah, I am joking there. I know it's wrong.

 

[Compatriot Block]

Still, she is human, not a near immortal witch. Resurrection spells are not part of the DA lore. The Urn of Sacred Ashes is ruined (The reason she turns on you). It is not that people weren't anticipating it like with Flemeth. It is just impossible.

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Wynne is a otherwise normal human who died and was returned to life, so there is already precedent in the lore for such these kind of things. So I don't see how you can put your stamp your foot down to say that it's simply impossible.

Really it's a matter of providing proper suspension of disbelief. Certainly going "Surprise! We had proper resurrection this whole time and forgot to use it to save the King or anyone else". wouldn't go over very well, but I can think of at least a few ways it could be more cleverly explained.

Exactly. I posted this earlier on, but it was buried under a landslide of rage. That particular example happened in EVERY play-through, so Leliana is hardly unique. Plus, wouldn't a Seeker

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with a spirit living inside her

be an interesting problem for the Chantry to deal with?

 

[Compatriot Block]

Edit: Double post, sorry.

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

Still, she is human, not a near immortal witch. Resurrection spells are not part of the DA lore. The Urn of Sacred Ashes is ruined (The reason she turns on you). It is not that people weren't anticipating it like with Flemeth. It is just impossible.

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Wynne is a otherwise normal human who died and was returned to life, so there is already precedent in the lore for such these kind of things. So I don't see how you can put your stamp your foot down to say that it's simply impossible.

Really it's a matter of providing proper suspension of disbelief. Certainly going "Surprise! We had proper resurrection this whole time and forgot to use it to save the King or anyone else". wouldn't go over very well, but I can think of at least a few ways it could be more cleverly explained.

Look, I don't want to argue. I'll end with this. Wynne is a mage, meaning she has a connection to the Fade. A lot can happen to a mage. Leliana is a normal human. I'm betting on a deus ex machina for an explanation.

 

[Cenequus]

Well I defiled the ashes with both Wynne and Leliana in my party. Maybe Wynne cast revival on her after I left? The wonder of spiritual healers.As for wynne well she has her spirit that saves her ass when dead so don't see the problem.

What I hate in cRPG is the "discrimination" btwn what can be ressurected and those that can't.My advice is not die in cutscenes