Day One: Garry's Incident Devs Accused of Censoring Bad Review

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DerangedHobo said:
So this tubby fuck is all butt mad that he bad mouthed someone's work and then that person turns around and throws a little shit back? Yes, it's wrong, yes, Youtube got bent over a proverbial barrel but I don't see all the shock and awe over the dev's reaction.

And why is YouTube getting a lot of flak for this? I'm pretty sure the copy right system itself is borken and fair use only goes so far. I'd show a little bit more respect to someone who is signing my pay check and maybe give it a bit more than 24 hours before I get out my soap box and talk about how YouTube is so evil and call for revolution because a video of mine got taken down.
They're getting flak for their "shoot first ask questions later" policy. As I mentioned above, there's a russian actress that is having videos taken down relating to the Persona game series because she works on a show called Persona Stars, which is a sketch comedy show.

Also, take a look at the Yugioh abridged history.
 

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SpaceGhost said:
Zachary, et al., I posted this last night, so it happened fairly quickly:

SpaceGhost said:
Well, that was fast. Per Luke Plunkett via Kotaku http://kotaku.com/studio-accused-of-blocking-youtube-vid-over-criticism-1448796126 :

[blockquote]We contacted Wild Games for comment, and were told by "Stephane" that, "after seeing all the negative impact today we decided to withdraw our complaint to YouTube."[/blockquote]
You know what's ironic about that? Wild Games dare to claim respect for "freedom of speech" in their statement on the matter, yet they've now locked the Day One Steam forums page -- only those who have bought the game are allowed to post there. Hypocrites.
 

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Anyone here with a legal education that can tell my whether the law actually favors TB's case, or if technically, Wild has the juridical right to do exactly what they did?
 

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Sansha said:
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The developers are idiots... any other reviewer and this would just go away, but not fucking TotalBiscuit. TB is an asshole, and loves to take shit personally, so of course there'd be a backlash from this.

This is ridiculous in itself - censoring reviews is bullshit, but this game is pretty evidently shit anyway - they had a perfectly good opportunity to create a very minimalist and really challenging survival game... but no, magic macguffins.
so its alright for them to try and ruin his job and basicly get him fired, since they don't like his review. but him taking it personally is a no-no.

if someone did that to you, you would take it personally since it would well and truly wreck your shit.
What? No, while I don't like the bastard, I'm on his side. What I mean is any other reviewer, as in someone without the connections and voice to get it reversed.
reading comprehension fail :(

thats why i shouldn't post at 3am
 

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If the video creators have a 3 strike's rule it seems only fair that the copyright holders have a 3 strike rule themselves. 3 frivolous claims and they lose their right to flag completely. The fear of of losing their claim and essentially kicking open the door of pirated material should keep them in line.
 

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hazabaza1 said:
To quote the developer or Paranautical Activity:
"TB is a powerful douche. Fucking with him is like trying to stab a crocodile with your johnson."
Edited for authenticity. But don't tell him that, because the guy has an ego so thick he probably thinks he's Jesus Christ by now.

That's not necessarily related to this incident or anything. Censoring someone's opinion isn't good, and despite how smug he is, he should be allowed to speak his mind.
You think TB has an ego? what... In most of his vlogs he keeps saying how terrible he is as a human being.
 

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Hawkeye21 said:
"Day One: Garry's Incident" makes "Ride to Hell: Retribution" look like GTA V. I am not even kidding.
This could not possibly be true! Nothing I've played in the last decade has been worse than Ride to Hell. Makes me kind of want to pick up Day One when it's super super cheap, just to see...
 

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I hate Youtube's "shoot first, ask questions later" policy with regards to copyright claims for just this reason.
More like "ask questions never" which is the same problem SOPA and PIPA had as well, giving companies the ability to censor/ban people they don't like with little to no oversight or ability for the accused to defend themselves.

Now there is nothing wrong with wanting to protect your property and criticism is never easy when its targeted against yourself, but trying to silence detractors just because they didn't like what you made (especially when they were blatantly given permission to critique it) is just underhanded and juvenile and I have NO respect for those who would abuse the system to do it.

They say there is no such thing as bad PR, but I think in this case Wild Games might disagree, because they are in the middle of a shitstorm and rightly so.
 

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Jim will most likely have something to say on this. I really hope, regardless of what he says, people remember it is ABSOLUTELY UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES okay to attack the developer with death threats, and that anger, while okay, must be considered and wielded with caution, otherwise it will create an overall caustic and toxic environment. I just checked Wild Star Games Youtube channel, it has a discussion page filled with hundreds of "kill yourself ******" type comments. I just hope that, knowing the garbage that is youtube comments, this isn't a reaction to be found on Twitter, intelligent forums like The Escapist or Destructoid, Steam forums, etc.

That said, I'm glad this studio will now likely perish due to their own hubris. While the entire freedom of speech and outright blatant lying bothers me, I think, even after this studio is long gone, what we have left is clear evidence that Youtube will need to change how they manage their copyright system. Whether you like TotalBiscuit or not, you have to understand that he makes a living as a reviewer and that this developer is able to potentially jeopardize his livelihood, with simple exploitation of Youtube's copyright system.

Imagine if developers could really get away with this in any medium. There would be no Moviebob, no Yahtzee, no Jim Sterling, no Greg Tito...The long term issue that is becoming apparent, between this, Nintendo's LP censorship, Sega's widespread takedown as mentioned by TB, and the Co-Optional Podcast removal, is that, like TB said, "Youtube wants to be taken seriously." If it wants to be seen as such, it has to update how it manages copyright claims.
 

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LegendaryVKickr said:
Jim will most likely have something to say on this. I really hope, regardless of what he says, people remember it is ABSOLUTELY UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES okay to attack the developer with death threats, and that anger, while okay, must be considered and wielded with caution, otherwise it will create an overall caustic and toxic environment. I just checked Wild Star Games Youtube channel, it has a discussion page filled with hundreds of "kill yourself ******" type comments. I just hope that, knowing the garbage that is youtube comments, this isn't a reaction to be found on Twitter, intelligent forums like The Escapist or Destructoid, Steam forums, etc.
Sure, you do that. My fist is rearing to meet Stephane Woods' mouth.
 

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Well I guess it's time, get angry boys.

But seriously, it really baffles me how they could not possibly see that coming. Since they work in this media they should very much know what to expect from those types of actions (Their oficial response was also laughfable and full of lies, if the CEO would just man up and simply tell the truth the damage would probably be lower).

There really isn't much to say, they pretty much shot themselfs on the knee with a shotgun. This kind of bad PR and considering the product is indeed a POS could very much kill the game/company completely.
 

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I propose that whenever a copyright holder lodges a mistaken or false claim, they should be fined $1000. If a studio lodges a few hundred false claims a years, it will hurt them. Also for people who lodge copyright claims when they don't even own the rights (ref: VenomFangX saga a few years ago), they should be hauled to court.

For those wondering about VenomFangX, a few years ago he was an active youtube creationist who produced creationist videos filled with the usual incorrect and unsupported creationist claims about young Earth and intelligent design. When atheists produced video responses debunking his videos, he responded by using the DMCA tool to lodge takedown notices against them. As ignorant as he was, he was also dishonest. He knew his claims were bogus, but he did so anyway. The atheists he picked a fight with fought back, and VFX found himself in hot soup. One of the atheists he targeted, the infamous Thunderf00t, threatened to drag him to court unless he apologized publicly. VFX was forced into producing an apology video, where he admitted he knowingly lodged false takedown notices. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_MYyc-PtH4

If we could ever make studio heads apologize publicly like this whenever their bots messed up, or in this case of trying to censor negative criticism on the basis of copyright infringement, there wouldn't be a problem like this.
 

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TomWiley said:
Anyone here with a legal education that can tell my whether the law actually favors TB's case, or if technically, Wild has the juridical right to do exactly what they did?
The problem is that Wild isn't from the US, their local laws may allow them to have the footage removed. I think their a French/Canadian dev team, and don't know how copyright laws work in those nations. I actually find it funny how everyone is going on about American law this that and the other, the devs aren't American, if their laws allow them to have it taken down then Youtube is required to follow suit.
 

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Drejer43 said:
Hazy said:
hazabaza1 said:
To quote the developer or Paranautical Activity:
"TB is a powerful douche. Fucking with him is like trying to stab a crocodile with your johnson."
Edited for authenticity. But don't tell him that, because the guy has an ego so thick he probably thinks he's Jesus Christ by now.

That's not necessarily related to this incident or anything. Censoring someone's opinion isn't good, and despite how smug he is, he should be allowed to speak his mind.
You think TB has an ego? what... In most of his vlogs he keeps saying how terrible he is as a human being.
Oh boy, you've gotta read his twitter. It's a goldmine.
 

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Hazy said:
Drejer43 said:
Hazy said:
hazabaza1 said:
To quote the developer or Paranautical Activity:
"TB is a powerful douche. Fucking with him is like trying to stab a crocodile with your johnson."
Edited for authenticity. But don't tell him that, because the guy has an ego so thick he probably thinks he's Jesus Christ by now.

That's not necessarily related to this incident or anything. Censoring someone's opinion isn't good, and despite how smug he is, he should be allowed to speak his mind.
You think TB has an ego? what... In most of his vlogs he keeps saying how terrible he is as a human being.
Oh boy, you've gotta read his twitter. It's a goldmine.
I read his twitter every Tuesday before his podcast. I have never seen anything wrong with what he says. I see a person telling it like it is, shooting down people that don't know what the hell they are talking about, and having to slap back morons who ask the same questions as thousands of other people before them knowing full well the answer if they took all of a minute to search, though most know the answers but stupidly ask anyway.

I've seen plenty of sarcasm about himself being great and all, but he doesn't have an ego like you think he has. He is incredibly humble for a person in his position and power in the industry.

The only people that I've seen that rail against him and call him an ass or some other insult are either:

A.) Jealous that he is so successful doing something he loves. Such people making comments like, "He needs to shut up and get a real job, what he does doesn't matter and isn't a job."

B.) People that aren't smart enough to separate sarcasm and a constructed persona from the actual person.

C.) People that have an entitlement complex and think that since they subscribed to him that he should take requests and play what they want to see and share their viewpoints about such things.

Seriously, I've replied to him on YouTube on one of his Hearthstone videos, saying I liked one of his strategic plays and loved the video series. He commented back that it had been just luck and that he is not as good as I said, then he pointed me to another Hearthstone player saying that I should watch that person if I want to learn good strategies.

If anything, I think TB has a bit of a problem with how heavily he plays down how important he is to the industry and his viewers.

I've been watching him and the vast majority of his content regularly for at least a year and a half. I just don't see ego. I see plenty of good personality and upstanding character, but an ego, no, not in the negative connotative sense.
 

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JoshuaMadoc said:
LegendaryVKickr said:
Jim will most likely have something to say on this. I really hope, regardless of what he says, people remember it is ABSOLUTELY UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES okay to attack the developer with death threats, and that anger, while okay, must be considered and wielded with caution, otherwise it will create an overall caustic and toxic environment. I just checked Wild Star Games Youtube channel, it has a discussion page filled with hundreds of "kill yourself ******" type comments. I just hope that, knowing the garbage that is youtube comments, this isn't a reaction to be found on Twitter, intelligent forums like The Escapist or Destructoid, Steam forums, etc.
Sure, you do that. My fist is rearing to meet Stephane Woods' mouth.
I feel the same way. But it's one thing to be reasonably angry, and another to be a raging vulgar nut. The moment you tell Stepane you're going to beat the everliving stuffing out of him, it becomes you that's the problem, just as much as him.

And if we choose to ignore what Jim Sterling has to say, I don't see a point in him even doing the Jimquisition. Ironically, the post right below has the Toxic video, one of the two I was referring to. Watch that along with the episode "Go Fish". Jim has choice words for people who threaten developers and review critics, or anybody for that matter.
 

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Sonic Doctor said:
Maybe it's just me then. From what I've seen, I haven't been too impressed, but that could have easily been an off day or an otherwise irregular circumstance.

Captcha: You don't say!
 

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They REALLY need to put some actual humans to check this "copyright" infringements, not all of them cause that would be impossible, but at least the ones that get contested, and go ahead and revoke the claiming rights of the companies that abuse the system (nintendo will be doomed in like 10 seconds) cause if they can ban you for life and destroy your channel at least a comparable punishment should come to the abusers of the system.
 

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Jeez. Even if they were pulling it for their aforementioned reasons and not for censoring bad reviews, I don't get why you'd pull a video like that that's bringing press to your game, even if it is negative. At least it gets you noticed.

Well, you're still noticed, but not in a very good way now.