Dead or Alive 5 Director: A Lot of Fans Want Bigger Breasts

Gordon_4_v1legacy

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ExtraDebit said:
I don't get people, if they want porn, why not get porn?
If you can find me porn starring many good looking women engaging in mild lesbian foreplay and subtext and blistering martial arts action, then hook a brother up.

Otherwise, allow me to enjoy my jiggly fighting game. I like DoA not only for its famous line up of ladies, but because even as a Tekken fan, its still the most difficult combat system to try and master.
 

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Nalgas D. Lemur said:
I love Japanese anime artists!


Anywho, to add my two cents. I wonder if we can get them to add Norma Stitz as a character in DOA6. :)
 

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Aside from that, who gives a crap if the backstory is bonkers? It still annoying to see pure, unadulterated fan-service in a popular franchise, because, like it or not, it makes gamers look like a pack of clowns. If you don't care, then good for you! I care, so let me care.
Look like a pack of clowns to who exactly? People who aren't even discerning enough to understand that different games suit different tastes? People who can't understand that gamers aren't one giant hive mind? I mean, good god, someone who thought like that might be dumb enough to think that, since porn exists, everyone who enjoys movies must be a porn addict. I'm sorry, but why should developers be catering to those people again? Games have already managed to gain acceptance in mainstream media and is quickly being more commonly be viewed as an "artistic medium" (god knows whatever that means). This is despite all of the guts and gore and titillation since the early days of gaming. What's more, DOA6 adding slightly larger breasts isn't suddenly going to shock people and change their entire perception of gamers. It's already a fighting game about big boobs.

I could understand complaints that it's a decent fighting game and the further focus on breast is causing IT to be taken less seriously as a competitive fighting series, but gamers as a whole? Well, we're still making trashy R rated films and porn, and clearly that hasn't held film back.
 

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Revolutionaryloser said:
Gordon_4 said:
ExtraDebit said:
I don't get people, if they want porn, why not get porn?
If you can find me porn starring many good looking women engaging in mild lesbian foreplay and subtext and blistering martial arts action, then hook a brother up.

Otherwise, allow me to enjoy my jiggly fighting game. I like DoA not only for its famous line up of ladies, but because even as a Tekken fan, its still the most difficult combat system to try and master.
I think the main issue here is that Team Ninja has forgone technical innovation and chracter design (let alone "lesbian foreplay and subtext"), while opting for sixaxis boob fondling and badly composed close ups of women's nether regions and cleavage.

I think it's hard to argue that porn is enhanced when you add nuance, good characterization and pacing. At the moment, what Team Ninja produces is just sleazy, cheap, unrefined trash.
You didn't answer my question: can you direct me to an adult film that features reasonably attractive women (be they Japanese, European, American or whatever) engaging in blisteringly awesome martial arts action?

Until you can, DoA is my bit of martial arts and fan service.
 

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you know what, i'm going to buy as many copies of the game as there are jiggling breasts in it.
i'm sick of people trying to tell other people what is and is not supposed to be in a game
and im sick of narrow minded hypocrites blabbering on about body image and how it sets unrealistic precedents

if they cant tell that games are fantasy and
life is reality it is they that have the problem,
not any games developer and not the gamer.

i give full support to any developer trying to actively please their demographic
whatever that entails, it's good business practice and good fan service
 

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Playful Pony said:
Bullet-dodging penis would actually make more sense, would it not? At least men have muscles in the damn thing, breasts can NOT move on their own! ... I wouldn't put it beyond the Escapist users to find and post a video of someones breasts moving on their own now...
There are no muscles in the penis, it is merely erectile tissue. The only way to "move" it is by using http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelvic_diaphragm and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pubococcygeus_muscle, both of which are not exclusive to men.

TL;DR - a flaccid penis moves the same way as jiggly breasts: it flops around when you move hard enough.
How did that need a TL;DR?... Ok I see. Still, bullet dodging breasts make no sense Oo. Maybe you could train yourself to manipulate your penis or breasts in such a way? ... No, I'm not going to try and rationalize that damn scene!
 

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I'm guessing players would also like some girl-on-girl porn, telekinetic powers, BFGs, Transformers and ninjas in their games. You don't have to oblige.

Grey Carter said:
"We actually got a lot of feedback from people who were playing it, saying, 'We want bigger breasts. Make the characters more like that.' That was kind of surprising."
He's joking, right ?

captcha: Queen Nefertiti .... Oh come on! Now you're just messing with me.
 

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Why not just turn the characters into gigantic breasts that bash into each other? Seem like it would make it cheaper to make the games. And it would sell more than anything in history.
 

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Creepy pervs who play creepy perv games want more creepy perv content? Shocking.

At this rate I'm surprised Dead or Alive isn't just outright porn. It's more offensive than most of it out there already, that's for sure, and is insulting to the intelligence of fans and gamers by pandering in such a gross and stereotypical fashion. Might as well just cut out the whole "game" thing.
 

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I, for one, want smaller breasts.

But then, I'm also not a fan of DOA. Or fighting games in general. Or volleyball games.

>.>
 

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Nothing wrong with a bit of "fanservice" IMO.

Transformers had Megan Fox "fixing" a car. Where was a mass outrage?

If you don't like it, don't buy it.

They can change the series removing what made it (in)famous to try to reach a broader audience (and appease the whiny people who got "offend") but they risk alienating their current fan base - and if they fail to reach the "broader audience" in the process, it's more or less game over for the series. It's really up to the developers who they want to target and appeal to.
 

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My favorite fanservice of the DoA games are the panty shots. I don't mind the breast fanservice but I would have liked that the physics were more natural. Also why not big, medium and small breasts?

Well, I had wished that both fans and the executives would butt out just to see what is the vision of Team Ninja. Shame.

All that aside, the DoA series are very good fighters.
 

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This news story and the accompanying comments are a fine example of the result of the changes to both the Escapist as a site and its community.

Gamasutra's title for this article was Team Ninja Learns to Fear its Fans. The Escapist summary of the Gamasutra article titled Dead or Alive 5 Director: A Lot of Fans Want Bigger Breasts.

It's like the summary of a news paper article being written for a tabloid for the purpose of causing an inflamed response. On the internet we call that behavior trolling.

And to the comment writers a little reading comprehension would tell you the feedback they were getting was about the alpha demo that was played by a few invited fans of DoA mainly pro gamers who played DoA competitively. If you were to really look into all the feed back those fans gave they also told Team Ninja to keep the 4-way counter system instead of going to a 3-way counter system.

Their fans only told them their game filled a niche in the market and that there was no reason for them to walk away from that because of people who don't play their game won't like it.

"If there wasn't a need for it, people wouldn't have responded to the alpha demo like they did, and send us feedback."

And by the way the Alpha Demo was toned down from usual aesthetic so no fans didn't want bigger breast they just didn't like the smaller ones of the Alpha demo. In other words fans didn't want Team Ninja to change the game because of feedback from non-DoA players.

Toned down alpha version

Retail version
 

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Now, I haven't played DOA so I'm wondering, is the image in this article presenting one of the more reasonably endowed characters? because they don't seem that unusual.
 

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Revolutionaryloser said:
ScruffyMcBalls said:
I almost completely agree with you, to a point. But I do want to add one thing to the debate. While yes, a vast number of people play video games, that doesn't actually qualify them as "gamers". At the risk of coming across as elitest (and trust me, that's the last thing I want to be) it's only a minority of people who play games who are actually gamers. Any asshole can pick up a controller and play a game, but that doesn't mean they're involved in the gaming community, that doesn't mean they have a vested interest in the industry and it doesn't mean they are a gamer. You put it best when you called gaming a "hobby", and while gaming is a hobby for me, my uncle who plays a couple rounds of deathmatch of an evening would call gaming a "pass-time" something he picks up once in a while. I'd be tempted to believe the majority of new "gamers" are the same. Now at this point it's all semantics, and either one of us could be wrong. I hope you're right in the long run, but who knows?
I know you said you don't want to be called an elitist, but there isn't another word for it. You can't create an adequate definition for gamer other than "somebody who plays videogames". People who want to reduce the scope of that term only want to disassociate themselves from other people. Nobody has authority to tell somebody else whether they are are gamer or not. Trying to find differences between yourself and other people is a negative practice and it achieves nothing other than insulating yourself from other people. Likewise, trying to find similarities between yourself and others can be just as harmful.
Your argument is wrong on that many levels I don't really feel like responding to it, but I'll give it a shot anyway, for shits and giggles.
The title "Gamer" is just a name here, a name which I'm applying to a group of people who actually care about the industry, and more importantly about the games (oh, and most importantly also play those games of course). Anyone outside that group is not a gamer, but can in fact still just play video games. You can give the group any name you want, but considering it's characteristics, gamer seems apt. Based on said characteristics, I do, as it happens, have the authority to proclaim any other person as not being a gamer, so does anyone else it's basic logic. And no, I don't actively want to disassociate myself from others, I just want to have it made clear where the boundaries lie between those who actually have a stake and a say in a matter and those who don't. That way shit gets done, and it gets done quicker since we don't *have* to take into account what people who aren't -and shouldn't be- involved have to say.
And finding differences between myself and others isn't a negative practice in of itself. However if I then use those differences (which, sorry to break it to you; they fucking exist) for a negative cause, which I'm not, then it can be part of a negative act. But that isn't what I'm doing here. And it does achieve more than isolate me from others -by the by, differences do not instantly equal isolation, unless you're part of a hive society- it can also allow third parties to more accurately and correctly make decisions based upon those groups and those group's characteristics (which is the whole point in this case, thought I'd tell you that since it sailed completely over your head apparently).
Oh, and that last line "Likewise, trying to find similarities between yourself and others can be just as harmful." I'm no fucking clansman, I doubt me finding something in common with someone else is gonna cause harm, the statement lacks validity in this context. And ultimately that's what your argument lacks as a whole, the context to float above the river of shit that you expected to sustain it. Good day sir.

(I feel sorry for anyone who has to read through all this, I mean damn...)