Well, I suppose it's kind of nice to know that we'll always have that particular dead horse to beat, at our leisure. And here I thought there was actual hope for them when they started doing character designs that actual humans might wear. Oh well.
Dead or Alive 5 Director: A Lot of Fans Want Bigger Breasts
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Proof that puritanism is still a thing. Perspective check, not everyone thinks pictures of a naked (or scantily dressed) human body is porn. Because sometimes it's not.Revolutionaryloser said:
Team Ninja doesn't make their games for everyone, they make them for their fans. If a person has a problem with Team Ninja's aesthetic choice then they probably weren't going to buy their game anyway; so why should they bother listening to people who don't play their games?
I almost completely agree with you, to a point. But I do want to add one thing to the debate. While yes, a vast number of people play video games, that doesn't actually qualify them as "gamers". At the risk of coming across as elitest (and trust me, that's the last thing I want to be) it's only a minority of people who play games who are actually gamers. Any asshole can pick up a controller and play a game, but that doesn't mean they're involved in the gaming community, that doesn't mean they have a vested interest in the industry and it doesn't mean they are a gamer. You put it best when you called gaming a "hobby", and while gaming is a hobby for me, my uncle who plays a couple rounds of deathmatch of an evening would call gaming a "pass-time" something he picks up once in a while. I'd be tempted to believe the majority of new "gamers" are the same. Now at this point it's all semantics, and either one of us could be wrong. I hope you're right in the long run, but who knows?Krantos said:
Oh, great. Here we are trying to present gaming as a mature pastime that's worthy of some consideration and that can actually bring something to the cultural and narrative tables, and what do we get?
BEWBS.
I mean, there's a season for everything, sure, but it's just disappointing to see that in an age where we're pushing towards more involved storylines and more engaging gameplay (except for the Modern Military Shooter genre), there's folks in Japan who make a decent living making sure that jiggle physics are properly coded so some waifu's badonkadonks have just enough extraneous bounce to 'em.
Also, yes. I'm well aware that if I don't like it, I don't have to play it. The problem is any guy who seriously thinks of breast size as a plus in a fighting game and who actually looks forward to more simulated boobage brings the gaming scene's collective maturity down a few pegs.
Most of us have been gaming for upwards of twenty years. You'd think we'd be past the whole "Oh wow, check out her gazongas, dude!" phase.
Also...
BEWBS.
I mean, there's a season for everything, sure, but it's just disappointing to see that in an age where we're pushing towards more involved storylines and more engaging gameplay (except for the Modern Military Shooter genre), there's folks in Japan who make a decent living making sure that jiggle physics are properly coded so some waifu's badonkadonks have just enough extraneous bounce to 'em.
Also, yes. I'm well aware that if I don't like it, I don't have to play it. The problem is any guy who seriously thinks of breast size as a plus in a fighting game and who actually looks forward to more simulated boobage brings the gaming scene's collective maturity down a few pegs.
Most of us have been gaming for upwards of twenty years. You'd think we'd be past the whole "Oh wow, check out her gazongas, dude!" phase.
Also...
You might want to edit your links, dude. You're linking to an entire playlist, not the one videos you're referring to.Revolutionaryloser said:
As someone said before, I'm kind of happy that TN is telling the whole feminism debate in gaming to sod off.
As a matter of fact, harsh as this is going to sound, I really think the whole entertainment industry should tell the whole movement to sod off until they come up with a clear, concise, implementable, understandable and uniform goal, statement and plans and then act and behave in such a way that supports and encourages said mission.
EX:
"Equal voting rights for women!" - Clear, concise, shows the path to what can be done to resolve the issue, arguable with logic and facts.
"Equal pay for equal work!" - Same as above.
"Women in games should treated equal to men!" (The primary call of what gaming and other industries have been facing) - This is ambiguous, interpret-able and subjective, provides no road map or goal to work towards or hints as to how to it, and cannot be argued with logic or facts because there is nothing to argue.
What, EXACTLY, do you want? Different kinds of games? Different attire? Games with just no men? When telling someone else what to do, you have to be clear, or you won't get what you want.
Or, if you really want results, women need to get down into the nitty gritty, and be the ones advising and making the games. If you want games to change, you're going to have to go get the art, programming, marketing, PR, computer design etc. degrees and work hard and fill the industry so that you can actually be there to shape and influence it. Because right now you're basically yelling in through the window, and hoping that the men inside can divine exactly what you want and implement it.
As a matter of fact, harsh as this is going to sound, I really think the whole entertainment industry should tell the whole movement to sod off until they come up with a clear, concise, implementable, understandable and uniform goal, statement and plans and then act and behave in such a way that supports and encourages said mission.
EX:
"Equal voting rights for women!" - Clear, concise, shows the path to what can be done to resolve the issue, arguable with logic and facts.
"Equal pay for equal work!" - Same as above.
"Women in games should treated equal to men!" (The primary call of what gaming and other industries have been facing) - This is ambiguous, interpret-able and subjective, provides no road map or goal to work towards or hints as to how to it, and cannot be argued with logic or facts because there is nothing to argue.
What, EXACTLY, do you want? Different kinds of games? Different attire? Games with just no men? When telling someone else what to do, you have to be clear, or you won't get what you want.
Or, if you really want results, women need to get down into the nitty gritty, and be the ones advising and making the games. If you want games to change, you're going to have to go get the art, programming, marketing, PR, computer design etc. degrees and work hard and fill the industry so that you can actually be there to shape and influence it. Because right now you're basically yelling in through the window, and hoping that the men inside can divine exactly what you want and implement it.
This news is awful. People were actually unhappy about already large breasts rather than commenting on the fighting aspects of, you know, a fighting game?
Also this made me laugh.CardinalPiggles said:
Why not just go to a titty bar if you want to see large breasts? It would probably be less humiliating than owning one of those games.
I consider this sort of thing to be more of a fetish than anything, but if there's a market for that then there's nothing wrong with filling it. It's only a problem when/if every fighting game starts doing it.
One thing I do feel strongly about however is the feminist angle on it. I do not believe these games are degrading to women, rather I believe they are degrading to men. Everyone has the freedom to indulge in it if they want, though I don't know to what extent but it can't possibly be good for your sex life if you develop a fetish for females that can only exist through virtual graphics. Similar to what too much porn can do to a person, but these VR girls have a level of perfection that not even porn can hope to achieve.
One thing I do feel strongly about however is the feminist angle on it. I do not believe these games are degrading to women, rather I believe they are degrading to men. Everyone has the freedom to indulge in it if they want, though I don't know to what extent but it can't possibly be good for your sex life if you develop a fetish for females that can only exist through virtual graphics. Similar to what too much porn can do to a person, but these VR girls have a level of perfection that not even porn can hope to achieve.
Amen to that, there's enough of that in Soul Calibur anyway - no need to oversaturize the market. Cool videos RL.Revolutionaryloser said:
Don't let the west try to trick you into thinking sexuality is somehow a bad thing, Tecmo.
I happen to enjoy this series for what it is.
I happen to enjoy this series for what it is.
