Dead or Alive 6 Creator Director Shimbori Asks "Why does DoA get so much flak vs. other games?"

[BrawlMan]

I don't see how cosmetic dlc is "games as a service". If it's fine for Fortnite to do it DOA can do it too. As long as the actual playable cast is reasonably priced I don't see the issue. If people wanna spend a hundred bucks on cosplay items they can. I don't see them as any more taken advantage of than the people who spend money on more candy crush rounds.

The problem with DOA's case is that it's not free to play like Fornite, and you're paying $60.00 at a base price. There is the $90.00 seasons pass and removing two characters to DLC/pre-order who were already in the last game without any character DLC aside from guest stars, but even the virtua fighter characters made in to 5 (updated versions) with no extra cost. Compared to 6, people are being robbed. KT can't behind the excuse going broke. They're getting just as bad as EA, Acti Blizz, and Ubisoft when it comes to this stupid shit. It's why I haven't really bought anything from them recently. Especially when it comes to their Dynasty Warriors style of games.

And with all of this stupid controversies; nothing changed. People still bought the game, I don't know about how many people bought the season pass, but from what I seen most fans hate it, be they casual or hardcore. The only thing that changed was Koei-Tecmo being bigger schemers and scammers.

Actually, it will be f2p eventually, like how 5 was. The creator stated as much in a recent interview so it was known before it being released so anyone who buys it now does so knowingly at least in theory.


As for the preorder bonus dlc, that's a fighting game staple. It's nothing new and while I agree that it sucks I also don't mind it since competitive people will get a game by default on day 1 anyways. It's not great but it's not new either.

Nothing against you, but fuck all that shit. This is why I rarely touch fighting games anymore.

 

[Smithnikov_v1legacy]

I'd take the anti-liberal rhetoric more seriously if it wasn't the right wing that unironically called themselves culture warriors (see: Bill O Rielly) and campaign against porn on a legal level constantly. The same people that defend this game are the same people who think it makes sense keep vibrators illegal in Georgia fer crissakes.

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

Yeah it's understandable if you don't like that stuff in general. I'm just too used to it due to being in tourneys for over a decade now so I prolly don't mind it as much as I should. I'm just pointing out that it's not something particularly unique to DoA6 here basically.

I'd take the anti-liberal rhetoric more seriously if it wasn't the right wing that unironically called themselves culture warriors (see: Bill O Rielly) and campaign against porn on a legal level constantly. The same people that defend this game are the same people who think it makes sense keep vibrators illegal in Georgia fer crissakes.

Yeah I don't agree that all liberals need to be smeared with that label. Though as a liberal I do worry that the intersectionals are taking the authoritarian mantle from the christian right of the 90s and 00s and using it "for social justice".

I don't care why you're being a prude or anti-sex/porn/whatever, it's always gonna be bad to do that.

 

[Saelune]

Yeah it's understandable if you don't like that stuff in general. I'm just too used to it due to being in tourneys for over a decade now so I prolly don't mind it as much as I should. I'm just pointing out that it's not something particularly unique to DoA6 here basically.

I'd take the anti-liberal rhetoric more seriously if it wasn't the right wing that unironically called themselves culture warriors (see: Bill O Rielly) and campaign against porn on a legal level constantly. The same people that defend this game are the same people who think it makes sense keep vibrators illegal in Georgia fer crissakes.

Yeah I don't agree that all liberals need to be smeared with that label. Though as a liberal I do worry that the intersectionals are taking the authoritarian mantle from the christian right of the 90s and 00s and using it "for social justice".

I don't care why you're being a prude or anti-sex/porn/whatever, it's always gonna be bad to do that.

Its not prudish to want women to be respected.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Yeah it's understandable if you don't like that stuff in general. I'm just too used to it due to being in tourneys for over a decade now so I prolly don't mind it as much as I should. I'm just pointing out that it's not something particularly unique to DoA6 here basically.

I'd take the anti-liberal rhetoric more seriously if it wasn't the right wing that unironically called themselves culture warriors (see: Bill O Rielly) and campaign against porn on a legal level constantly. The same people that defend this game are the same people who think it makes sense keep vibrators illegal in Georgia fer crissakes.

Yeah I don't agree that all liberals need to be smeared with that label. Though as a liberal I do worry that the intersectionals are taking the authoritarian mantle from the christian right of the 90s and 00s and using it "for social justice".

I don't care why you're being a prude or anti-sex/porn/whatever, it's always gonna be bad to do that.

Its not prudish to want women to be respected.

I respect Chun-Li, and I also think she's hot.

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

Yeah it's understandable if you don't like that stuff in general. I'm just too used to it due to being in tourneys for over a decade now so I prolly don't mind it as much as I should. I'm just pointing out that it's not something particularly unique to DoA6 here basically.

I'd take the anti-liberal rhetoric more seriously if it wasn't the right wing that unironically called themselves culture warriors (see: Bill O Rielly) and campaign against porn on a legal level constantly. The same people that defend this game are the same people who think it makes sense keep vibrators illegal in Georgia fer crissakes.

Yeah I don't agree that all liberals need to be smeared with that label. Though as a liberal I do worry that the intersectionals are taking the authoritarian mantle from the christian right of the 90s and 00s and using it "for social justice".

I don't care why you're being a prude or anti-sex/porn/whatever, it's always gonna be bad to do that.

Its not prudish to want women to be respected.

You also can want people to not get killed yet enjoy a game all about killing people, without wavering a centilla about your anti-murder stance. Crass or rude or disrespectful behavior can be entertaining in the correct dosage, as can anything, and you shouldn't want it restricted if you claim to be liberal. What you should want is for it to be framed in the appropriate context so people don't confuse it for something that's advisable to mimic in real life if it's intended to be consumed by minors but with a game rated M you should just leave it alone.

 

[BrawlMan]

I respect Chun-Li, and I also think she's hot.

Yeah it's understandable if you don't like that stuff in general. I'm just too used to it due to being in tourneys for over a decade now so I prolly don't mind it as much as I should. I'm just pointing out that it's not something particularly unique to DoA6 here basically.

I'd take the anti-liberal rhetoric more seriously if it wasn't the right wing that unironically called themselves culture warriors (see: Bill O Rielly) and campaign against porn on a legal level constantly. The same people that defend this game are the same people who think it makes sense keep vibrators illegal in Georgia fer crissakes.

Yeah I don't agree that all liberals need to be smeared with that label. Though as a liberal I do worry that the intersectionals are taking the authoritarian mantle from the christian right of the 90s and 00s and using it "for social justice".

I don't care why you're being a prude or anti-sex/porn/whatever, it's always gonna be bad to do that.

Its not prudish to want women to be respected.

You also can want people to not get killed yet enjoy a game all about killing people, without wavering a centilla about your anti-murder stance. Crass or rude or disrespectful behavior can be entertaining in the correct dosage, as can anything, and you shouldn't want it restricted if you claim to be liberal. What you should want is for it to be framed in the appropriate context so people don't confuse it for something that's advisable to mimic in real life if it's intended to be consumed by minors but with a game rated M you should just leave it alone.

You guys get the idea. They should be allowed to exsist, and every female character does not have to be like DOA girls or Bayonetta. There's plenty I like that don't rely heavily on the fan-service.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Are they putting a gun to your head to buy the game at the maximum price?

Are you telling me gamers don't have the option to choose not to buy the season pass?

Do they have to in order for me to think it's dumb and horseshit?

Is it horseshit even if you still have the choice to play the game without the Season pass?

Yes? The two DLC characters you'd throw money at were cut out of the base game to be DLC

When is DLC fighters not cut out of the base game for you guys?

How do you distinguish cut content from made from scratch content to be sold at a later date? We don't even know who the fighters are gonna be?

Nyotengu and Phase 4 are locked behind pre-order DLC. KT stated it themselves. You're welcome.

https://www.theouterhaven.net/2018/09/nyotengu-and-phase-4-returns-to-dead-or-alive-6-as-preorder-dlc/

Well then buy only those 2 which would be at a far more cheaper price then getting a 100 dollar season pass.

Unless you guys REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, want the costumes?

 

[Marik2]

All this flak against DOA's girls.

What an obnoxious puritanical society we live in.

Radical thought. You can enjoy sexy stuff and still think DoA is fucking dumb. If only because most sexy stuff doesn't try to sake $160 out of you for a substandard game.

Are they putting a gun to your head to buy the game at the maximum price?

Are you telling me gamers don't have the option to choose not to buy the season pass?

Money talks, and if I ever buy this game, I would never buy the Season pass and buy only the 2 upcoming DLC characters seperately to save money. To me that is enough of a message to send to Tecmo.

I bought the game, but I don't care for your season pass.

You should have just waited for the eventual super mega complete doa6 version that will have all the characters, levels, and balancing patches up to date.

 

[Erttheking]

Are they putting a gun to your head to buy the game at the maximum price?

Are you telling me gamers don't have the option to choose not to buy the season pass?

Do they have to in order for me to think it's dumb and horseshit?

Is it horseshit even if you still have the choice to play the game without the Season pass?

Hm let me think about it-yes.

Because I remember a time when sixty dollars bought you a game and not a shell of a game. This isn't Warframe where it needs the cash for alternate outfits to keep the servers running.

Also that is pure, shameless greed and I'm not going easy on it just because you don't think it's that big of a deal.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Are they putting a gun to your head to buy the game at the maximum price?

Are you telling me gamers don't have the option to choose not to buy the season pass?

Do they have to in order for me to think it's dumb and horseshit?

Is it horseshit even if you still have the choice to play the game without the Season pass?

Hm let me think about it-yes.

Because I remember a time when sixty dollars bought you a game and not a shell of a game. This isn't Warframe where it needs the cash for alternate outfits to keep the servers running.

Also that is pure, shameless greed and I'm not going easy on it just because you don't think it's that big of a deal.

Playing the game without the vast majority of optional costumes is hardly a shell of a game.

 

[Erttheking]

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Costumes and characters. Pretty incomplete game.

Oh, and don't forget, this is only the first season pass, so exactly how much cash would one need to shill out to get access to everything?

And to repeat myself.

Also that is pure, shameless greed and I'm not going easy on it just because you don't think it's that big of a deal.

 

[BrawlMan]

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Costumes and characters. Pretty incomplete game.

Oh, and don't forget, this is only the first season pass, so exactly how much cash would one need to shill out to get access to everything?

And to repeat myself.

Also that is pure, shameless greed and I'm not going easy on it just because you don't think it's that big of a deal.

Thank you, for pointing out why such bullshit should not be excused or defended, let alone tolerated.

 

[Saelune]

Yeah it's understandable if you don't like that stuff in general. I'm just too used to it due to being in tourneys for over a decade now so I prolly don't mind it as much as I should. I'm just pointing out that it's not something particularly unique to DoA6 here basically.

I'd take the anti-liberal rhetoric more seriously if it wasn't the right wing that unironically called themselves culture warriors (see: Bill O Rielly) and campaign against porn on a legal level constantly. The same people that defend this game are the same people who think it makes sense keep vibrators illegal in Georgia fer crissakes.

Yeah I don't agree that all liberals need to be smeared with that label. Though as a liberal I do worry that the intersectionals are taking the authoritarian mantle from the christian right of the 90s and 00s and using it "for social justice".

I don't care why you're being a prude or anti-sex/porn/whatever, it's always gonna be bad to do that.

Its not prudish to want women to be respected.

I respect Chun-Li, and I also think she's hot.

Street Fighter doesn't make their fighting games be about watching Chun-Li and Juri sunbathe.

 

[Saelune]

Yeah it's understandable if you don't like that stuff in general. I'm just too used to it due to being in tourneys for over a decade now so I prolly don't mind it as much as I should. I'm just pointing out that it's not something particularly unique to DoA6 here basically.

I'd take the anti-liberal rhetoric more seriously if it wasn't the right wing that unironically called themselves culture warriors (see: Bill O Rielly) and campaign against porn on a legal level constantly. The same people that defend this game are the same people who think it makes sense keep vibrators illegal in Georgia fer crissakes.

Yeah I don't agree that all liberals need to be smeared with that label. Though as a liberal I do worry that the intersectionals are taking the authoritarian mantle from the christian right of the 90s and 00s and using it "for social justice".

I don't care why you're being a prude or anti-sex/porn/whatever, it's always gonna be bad to do that.

Its not prudish to want women to be respected.

You also can want people to not get killed yet enjoy a game all about killing people, without wavering a centilla about your anti-murder stance. Crass or rude or disrespectful behavior can be entertaining in the correct dosage, as can anything, and you shouldn't want it restricted if you claim to be liberal. What you should want is for it to be framed in the appropriate context so people don't confuse it for something that's advisable to mimic in real life if it's intended to be consumed by minors but with a game rated M you should just leave it alone.

Dead Or Alive only teaches objectifying women.

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

Yeah it's understandable if you don't like that stuff in general. I'm just too used to it due to being in tourneys for over a decade now so I prolly don't mind it as much as I should. I'm just pointing out that it's not something particularly unique to DoA6 here basically.

I'd take the anti-liberal rhetoric more seriously if it wasn't the right wing that unironically called themselves culture warriors (see: Bill O Rielly) and campaign against porn on a legal level constantly. The same people that defend this game are the same people who think it makes sense keep vibrators illegal in Georgia fer crissakes.

Yeah I don't agree that all liberals need to be smeared with that label. Though as a liberal I do worry that the intersectionals are taking the authoritarian mantle from the christian right of the 90s and 00s and using it "for social justice".

I don't care why you're being a prude or anti-sex/porn/whatever, it's always gonna be bad to do that.

Its not prudish to want women to be respected.

You also can want people to not get killed yet enjoy a game all about killing people, without wavering a centilla about your anti-murder stance. Crass or rude or disrespectful behavior can be entertaining in the correct dosage, as can anything, and you shouldn't want it restricted if you claim to be liberal. What you should want is for it to be framed in the appropriate context so people don't confuse it for something that's advisable to mimic in real life if it's intended to be consumed by minors but with a game rated M you should just leave it alone.

Dead Or Alive only teaches objectifying women.

You can have that opinion and I'm not even debating its validity. Hell, porn does much the same, at least a good large chunk on it.

We still shouldn't advocate altering it if we want to think of ourselves as liberals. The idea is that you want to let other people do what they want so you'll be left alone to do what you want. Not that you'll restrict people from doing anything that could potentially prevent you from doing what you want in any indirect way imaginable so that eventually a society will emerge where nobody would want to prevent you from doing what you want, cause such a society would be a boring, hellishly tyrannical one and one with the least freedom possible, even for you, cause once the system you're advocating for is in place someone with more power than you will abuse it for their personal gain. The closest thing we have to that is some Islamic theocracies where people get whippings for dancing and north korea. Not fun.

 

[Erttheking]

Yeah it's understandable if you don't like that stuff in general. I'm just too used to it due to being in tourneys for over a decade now so I prolly don't mind it as much as I should. I'm just pointing out that it's not something particularly unique to DoA6 here basically.

I'd take the anti-liberal rhetoric more seriously if it wasn't the right wing that unironically called themselves culture warriors (see: Bill O Rielly) and campaign against porn on a legal level constantly. The same people that defend this game are the same people who think it makes sense keep vibrators illegal in Georgia fer crissakes.

Yeah I don't agree that all liberals need to be smeared with that label. Though as a liberal I do worry that the intersectionals are taking the authoritarian mantle from the christian right of the 90s and 00s and using it "for social justice".

I don't care why you're being a prude or anti-sex/porn/whatever, it's always gonna be bad to do that.

Its not prudish to want women to be respected.

You also can want people to not get killed yet enjoy a game all about killing people, without wavering a centilla about your anti-murder stance. Crass or rude or disrespectful behavior can be entertaining in the correct dosage, as can anything, and you shouldn't want it restricted if you claim to be liberal. What you should want is for it to be framed in the appropriate context so people don't confuse it for something that's advisable to mimic in real life if it's intended to be consumed by minors but with a game rated M you should just leave it alone.

Dead Or Alive only teaches objectifying women.

You can have that opinion and I'm not even debating its validity. Hell, porn does much the same, at least a good large chunk on it.

We still shouldn't advocate altering it if we want to think of ourselves as liberals. The idea is that you want to let other people do what they want so you'll be left alone to do what you want. Not that you'll restrict people from doing anything that could potentially prevent you from doing what you want in any indirect way imaginable so that eventually a society will emerge where nobody would want to prevent you from doing what you want, cause such a society would be a boring, hellishly tyrannical one and one with the least freedom possible, even for you, cause once the system you're advocating for is in place someone with more power than you will abuse it for their personal gain. The closest thing we have to that is some Islamic theocracies where people get whippings for dancing and north korea. Not fun.

I'm advocating altering that fucking season pass, but that's about it.

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

Yeah it's understandable if you don't like that stuff in general. I'm just too used to it due to being in tourneys for over a decade now so I prolly don't mind it as much as I should. I'm just pointing out that it's not something particularly unique to DoA6 here basically.

I'd take the anti-liberal rhetoric more seriously if it wasn't the right wing that unironically called themselves culture warriors (see: Bill O Rielly) and campaign against porn on a legal level constantly. The same people that defend this game are the same people who think it makes sense keep vibrators illegal in Georgia fer crissakes.

Yeah I don't agree that all liberals need to be smeared with that label. Though as a liberal I do worry that the intersectionals are taking the authoritarian mantle from the christian right of the 90s and 00s and using it "for social justice".

I don't care why you're being a prude or anti-sex/porn/whatever, it's always gonna be bad to do that.

Its not prudish to want women to be respected.

You also can want people to not get killed yet enjoy a game all about killing people, without wavering a centilla about your anti-murder stance. Crass or rude or disrespectful behavior can be entertaining in the correct dosage, as can anything, and you shouldn't want it restricted if you claim to be liberal. What you should want is for it to be framed in the appropriate context so people don't confuse it for something that's advisable to mimic in real life if it's intended to be consumed by minors but with a game rated M you should just leave it alone.

Dead Or Alive only teaches objectifying women.

You can have that opinion and I'm not even debating its validity. Hell, porn does much the same, at least a good large chunk on it.

We still shouldn't advocate altering it if we want to think of ourselves as liberals. The idea is that you want to let other people do what they want so you'll be left alone to do what you want. Not that you'll restrict people from doing anything that could potentially prevent you from doing what you want in any indirect way imaginable so that eventually a society will emerge where nobody would want to prevent you from doing what you want, cause such a society would be a boring, hellishly tyrannical one and one with the least freedom possible, even for you, cause once the system you're advocating for is in place someone with more power than you will abuse it for their personal gain. The closest thing we have to that is some Islamic theocracies where people get whippings for dancing and north korea. Not fun.

I'm advocating altering that fucking season pass, but that's about it.

Yeah I have no attachment one way or the other to cosmetic dlc. I'm so used to not getting it that it doesn't even bother me.

I don't understand being this bothered by it but I don't care to argue that it's necessarily wrong to be that either. I just think focusing on that thing so heavily feels contrived and a way of making up things to be upset at the game over when normally it'd just be a "meh, they're nuts, who the hell would even buy this? anyways lets play!" thing.

 

[Erttheking]

Yeah it's understandable if you don't like that stuff in general. I'm just too used to it due to being in tourneys for over a decade now so I prolly don't mind it as much as I should. I'm just pointing out that it's not something particularly unique to DoA6 here basically.

I'd take the anti-liberal rhetoric more seriously if it wasn't the right wing that unironically called themselves culture warriors (see: Bill O Rielly) and campaign against porn on a legal level constantly. The same people that defend this game are the same people who think it makes sense keep vibrators illegal in Georgia fer crissakes.

Yeah I don't agree that all liberals need to be smeared with that label. Though as a liberal I do worry that the intersectionals are taking the authoritarian mantle from the christian right of the 90s and 00s and using it "for social justice".

I don't care why you're being a prude or anti-sex/porn/whatever, it's always gonna be bad to do that.

Its not prudish to want women to be respected.

You also can want people to not get killed yet enjoy a game all about killing people, without wavering a centilla about your anti-murder stance. Crass or rude or disrespectful behavior can be entertaining in the correct dosage, as can anything, and you shouldn't want it restricted if you claim to be liberal. What you should want is for it to be framed in the appropriate context so people don't confuse it for something that's advisable to mimic in real life if it's intended to be consumed by minors but with a game rated M you should just leave it alone.

Dead Or Alive only teaches objectifying women.

You can have that opinion and I'm not even debating its validity. Hell, porn does much the same, at least a good large chunk on it.

We still shouldn't advocate altering it if we want to think of ourselves as liberals. The idea is that you want to let other people do what they want so you'll be left alone to do what you want. Not that you'll restrict people from doing anything that could potentially prevent you from doing what you want in any indirect way imaginable so that eventually a society will emerge where nobody would want to prevent you from doing what you want, cause such a society would be a boring, hellishly tyrannical one and one with the least freedom possible, even for you, cause once the system you're advocating for is in place someone with more power than you will abuse it for their personal gain. The closest thing we have to that is some Islamic theocracies where people get whippings for dancing and north korea. Not fun.

I'm advocating altering that fucking season pass, but that's about it.

Yeah I have no attachment one way or the other to cosmetic dlc. I'm so used to not getting it that it doesn't even bother me.

I don't understand being this bothered by it but I don't care to argue that it's necessarily wrong to be that either. I just think focusing on that thing so heavily feels contrived and a way of making up things to be upset at the game over when normally it'd just be a "meh, they're nuts, who the hell would even buy this? anyways lets play!" thing.

Oh but it wouldn't normally be that. Because I, like many people, are increasingly concerned about the double, triple, and quadruple dipping many gaming publishers have indulged in recently, which feels like it's coming with games being devalued and aspects that normally would've been included features being charged for absurd prices.

I'm going to be blunt. Nothing DoA 6 can offer is worth $160, and they plan on charging much more than that. Fuck. That. Shit. This isn't Civilization where each expansion adds new content to an already solid game.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

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Costumes and characters. Pretty incomplete game.

Oh, and don't forget, this is only the first season pass, so exactly how much cash would one need to shill out to get access to everything?

And to repeat myself.

Also that is pure, shameless greed and I'm not going easy on it just because you don't think it's that big of a deal.

Optional Costumes are not essential to gameplay.

Fighters are. So just buy only the fighters individually at a cheaper price.

Gamers do have a monthly income do they not?