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Not sure if I want to spend any significant length of time trudging through reddit. Any chance you could post some choice snippets?The Wooster said:
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Well I would wager that it's not actually Evangelion's original creators, but rather the company that owns the creative rights to it. I say that because unless the shows creators have the mentality of George Lucas, I imagine they've moved on to other projects; the company behind it however, with typical producer logic, would rather milk an IP for all it's worth until all that remains is a shrivelled husk. It's happened (and still is happening) to Dragon Ball, it's happening to Naruto, it'll probably happen to One Piece; and those are just the anime/manga examples.rhizhim said:
Remake 3.0 was total bullpoop not just because it was a big middle finger but it was just flat out bad in every sense of the word. Even compared to the original series and all the stupidity it pulled out, that remake is bad. Urgh just thinking about it annoys me.
1.0 and 2.0 were awesome though. A lot less shinji whining and a lot more action, heck I'm almost certain he stopped being a whiny pos by the end of 2.
1.0 and 2.0 were awesome though. A lot less shinji whining and a lot more action, heck I'm almost certain he stopped being a whiny pos by the end of 2.
And Jezus Crust I recognize the Kill la Kill kanji, I'm now going to cry into my love pillow now, for having progressed into the developed form of otaku.
You'd be surprised. [http://wiki.evageeks.org/Statements_by_Evangelion_Staff#Hideaki_Anno:_Statement_about_New_Evangelion_Movies] I don't really get any milking vibes from his interview, though you can still view the Rebuilds as such.canadamus_prime said:
Isn't this the 2nd time Evangelion's been remade? If that's not milking it I don't know what is.Nouw said:
I suppose Death&Rebirth could count as a remake but according to Wikipedia the first half is just a clipshow, a glorified re-cap episode movie-length, and the second half is footage from End of Evangelion. That sounds like a cash-grab to me but I don't think it counts as a remake considering only the ending is re-done but the End of Evangeion is another can of worms. The Rebuild series is the first 'true' remake, discounting the manga adaptations, and even then it sounds like Anno is doing it because he genuinely wants to return to it. I imagine he's set for life already thanks to Eva merch and while it'd be a lie to say money wasn't a factor in remaking them, I think money isn't the biggest factor. Just pure speculation, I don't know Anno unlike the people in this thread that claims he hates themcanadamus_prime said:
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And to use his metaphor against him, making an anime with mechs fighting giant monsters and having the focus be on an the angst of whiny ***** of a guy THAT is like making a porno and spend the whole time watching every detail of the repair and arguing over the price.
Good christ Cory, are you and Evangelion going to hate fuck eachother already or what? This is your sixth DEEP AND MEANINGFUL comic at this point.
I'll be honest, when I saw that shirt, I was kind of hoping this would be a comic about how DEEP AND MEANINGFUL Kill la Kill is. It's kind of Eva's polar opposite in that it actually has some well done symbolism and satire within it, but you have to dig through a whole bunch of lewd absurdity to find it.
I'll be honest, when I saw that shirt, I was kind of hoping this would be a comic about how DEEP AND MEANINGFUL Kill la Kill is. It's kind of Eva's polar opposite in that it actually has some well done symbolism and satire within it, but you have to dig through a whole bunch of lewd absurdity to find it.
Well I will wholeheartedly admit that I'm speaking out of pure ignorance because I don't follow Evangelion and have no interest in it. However reviving and redoing a series that had quite clearly concluded (I can can only assume that something called "End of Evangelion" means a conclusion) seems rather suspect to me.Nouw said:I suppose Death&Rebirth could count as a remake but according to Wikipedia the first half is just a clipshow, a glorified re-cap episode movie-length, and the second half is footage from End of Evangelion. That sounds like a cash-grab to me but I don't think it counts as a remake considering only the ending is re-done but the End of Evangeion is another can of worms. The Rebuild series is the first 'true' remake, discounting the manga adaptations, and even then it sounds like Anno is doing it because he genuinely wants to return to it. I imagine he's set for life already thanks to Eva merch and while it'd be a lie to say money wasn't a factor in remaking them, I think money isn't the biggest factor. Just pure speculation, I don't know Anno unlike the people in this thread that claims he hates themcanadamus_prime said:
Jumwa said:
It was originally pitched as THE otaku anime, and when Anno took the time to completely divert from your atypical Mecha formula, it pissed people off. Beyond that it really wasn't so much about pissing people off as it was an honest form of expression. A lot of the sexual overtones in the anime were literally Anno coming to terms with how screwed he is in the head. Koaru, for example.
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Mahorfeus said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfM3WjyCt8s&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PL0F37DF458A2AFFF8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEn6-vLYvFQ&list=PL0F37DF458A2AFFF8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sATCoI7Ozk4&list=PL0F37DF458A2AFFF8
Evangellion is the kind of show that you will get as much or as little as you want to get out of it. The folks who say, "oh 2 deep 4 me huheuehuehuehue" are quite literally beyond help because, yes, it was. At the same time though? Yeah, it may be a stretch to say it's the next War and Peace. You can't ignore its impact on the industry though, and to pass it off as an idle joke at the expense of Anno's fans is a bit excessive. So depending on who you ask it's both nothing special, and something severely underestimated.
The comment at the end is the only thing I find fault with... Why you gotta hate on the cake?The Wooster said:
Sure it's a $44 dollar cake with cheap figure thrown in... But that looks like pretty good cake.
I'm sure it tastes horrible but it has the Angel face so perfectly centered not even the most OCD of us would find fault with it (picture enlarged to show details).
Joking aside I don't really find fault with the gross over monopolization of the Eva franchise, outside of taking up shelf space and a few face palms it doesn't hurt anyone and allows for the movies to be made without investors dictating more moe characters (Anno just adds those in himself).
Then again I'm hopelessly biased since I have an officially licensed Eva blanket and Sunshade...
I watched it a while ago, and I didn't like it. My reasons go far beyond "Shinji is annoying" (he IS annoying, don't get me wrong), but the whole thing just comes across as kind of wrong in my eyes.
It uses a lot of religious imagery, but it feels like it's there purely for aesthetic reasons, without saying anything at all. It's just giving various things religious names for no reason at all, other than looking and sounding complicated and nice.
As for Evangelion's philosophy; it really pushes it, especially in EoE, but it never goes beyond surface level, and never feels like it adds to the story; it's just kind of there. "Reality exists in the human mind, and nowhere else" is basically paraphrased with some rearranged words, but it feels pointless. In 1984, said quote was used to illustrate a clear point regarding book's central themes. In Evangelion, it's just there to sound smart.
As for Shinji; his whining wouldn't be so bad if not for the fact that he never does anything; he's unable to think for himself, he never aspires to anything. He starts off depressed, remains in said state throughout the entire story, and doesn't even try to do anything about it (which kind of defeats the point of the whole "deconstruction" thing.)
He doesn't HAVE to get the girl, he doesn't HAVE to get away happily, but he never seems to go anywhere at all.
For example, the "hell train" conversation with Leliel was kind of neat, but it ultimately feels empty. It's just talking to the audience about philosophical viewpoints and character traits that are blatantly obvious. It feels like the complete opposite of "show, don't tell." It's not good storytelling, at least as I see it (the show as a whole has this problem.)
And for that matter, Shinji's past seems way too obscured for his character to be even remotely interesting:
We know that his mother died when he was 3 and his father left him a year later. Then, he lived with his "teacher" (whom we never learn anything about) for 10 years. There never seems to be anything to go from. We pretty much learn nothing about him, aside from his personality traits.
And his reasoning basically boils down to "noone understands me", which just seems lazy to me.
There are several more things I could mention, but I'll stop there. Maybe I've missed the point, but I just didn't enjoy the show.
It uses a lot of religious imagery, but it feels like it's there purely for aesthetic reasons, without saying anything at all. It's just giving various things religious names for no reason at all, other than looking and sounding complicated and nice.
As for Evangelion's philosophy; it really pushes it, especially in EoE, but it never goes beyond surface level, and never feels like it adds to the story; it's just kind of there. "Reality exists in the human mind, and nowhere else" is basically paraphrased with some rearranged words, but it feels pointless. In 1984, said quote was used to illustrate a clear point regarding book's central themes. In Evangelion, it's just there to sound smart.
As for Shinji; his whining wouldn't be so bad if not for the fact that he never does anything; he's unable to think for himself, he never aspires to anything. He starts off depressed, remains in said state throughout the entire story, and doesn't even try to do anything about it (which kind of defeats the point of the whole "deconstruction" thing.)
He doesn't HAVE to get the girl, he doesn't HAVE to get away happily, but he never seems to go anywhere at all.
For example, the "hell train" conversation with Leliel was kind of neat, but it ultimately feels empty. It's just talking to the audience about philosophical viewpoints and character traits that are blatantly obvious. It feels like the complete opposite of "show, don't tell." It's not good storytelling, at least as I see it (the show as a whole has this problem.)
And for that matter, Shinji's past seems way too obscured for his character to be even remotely interesting:
We know that his mother died when he was 3 and his father left him a year later. Then, he lived with his "teacher" (whom we never learn anything about) for 10 years. There never seems to be anything to go from. We pretty much learn nothing about him, aside from his personality traits.
And his reasoning basically boils down to "noone understands me", which just seems lazy to me.
There are several more things I could mention, but I'll stop there. Maybe I've missed the point, but I just didn't enjoy the show.
I would agree if we were talking about the original series. It's kind of a weird show. However, this far in, we kind of know how NGE operates and shouldn't expect things that NGE just doesn't do, like any victory being long term or satisfying. He tried the typical hero thing and fucked up the entire world for the sake of one girl of which there are actually several(can't fault him for not knowing that though). In any other show, there'd be no fallout, the hero saves the girl and everything goes back to normal.gamegod25 said:
