Deleting Data Earns A Punch

[Loonyyy]

Ahhh. Gamers. Never change.

Kid deletes an adults save game. Adult takes out their rage over their loss of progress with violence. And more than a few responses are in favour of it. Yeah, childish behaviour is acceptable for children. If you're 26 and this is how you deal with problems you need to rethink your life.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

My younger brother deleted my game data for GTA5. Naturally, I was pissed. But he said sorry and kept saying due to the fact that I was on the last mission and had lost everything. In the end, he just got the worse wedgey that he's ever felt. But then I learn from another younger brother that he went home and was laughing it up. He thought it was the best thing he ever did. So when I saw him again, I popped him. The question is: Was it wrong to do such a thing? And what would you have done if it was your game data that got erased?

Edit: He's 13 and I'm 26. He wasn't injured. The punch was to his right shoulder.

Your an adult, learn to handle your anger responsibly.

That doesn't mean the little twat didn't need a punishment. I mean, beating a child senseless over a deleted save? Horrifying. Teaching a teenage twat some respect over being a teenage twat and laughing at you with a hit to the shoulder? Fine.

No, not only is hitting him not fine, it is illegal. You can teach a child consequences in much better ways than hitting. Hitting not only doesn't teach them anything, it often results in continued retaliation. The only time hitting would be acceptable is in self defense, and this obviously is not self defense.

 

[RealRT]

My younger brother deleted my game data for GTA5. Naturally, I was pissed. But he said sorry and kept saying due to the fact that I was on the last mission and had lost everything. In the end, he just got the worse wedgey that he's ever felt. But then I learn from another younger brother that he went home and was laughing it up. He thought it was the best thing he ever did. So when I saw him again, I popped him. The question is: Was it wrong to do such a thing? And what would you have done if it was your game data that got erased?

Edit: He's 13 and I'm 26. He wasn't injured. The punch was to his right shoulder.

Your an adult, learn to handle your anger responsibly.

That doesn't mean the little twat didn't need a punishment. I mean, beating a child senseless over a deleted save? Horrifying. Teaching a teenage twat some respect over being a teenage twat and laughing at you with a hit to the shoulder? Fine.

No, not only is hitting him not fine, it is illegal. You can teach a child consequences in much better ways than hitting. Hitting not only doesn't teach them anything, it often results in continued retaliation. The only time hitting would be acceptable is in self defense, and this obviously is not self defense.

Well, the omniscient nurturing expert, what would you suggest?
Again, one must learn to divide between child abuse and punishment. The line might seem blurry, but it's there.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

My younger brother deleted my game data for GTA5. Naturally, I was pissed. But he said sorry and kept saying due to the fact that I was on the last mission and had lost everything. In the end, he just got the worse wedgey that he's ever felt. But then I learn from another younger brother that he went home and was laughing it up. He thought it was the best thing he ever did. So when I saw him again, I popped him. The question is: Was it wrong to do such a thing? And what would you have done if it was your game data that got erased?

Edit: He's 13 and I'm 26. He wasn't injured. The punch was to his right shoulder.

Your an adult, learn to handle your anger responsibly.

That doesn't mean the little twat didn't need a punishment. I mean, beating a child senseless over a deleted save? Horrifying. Teaching a teenage twat some respect over being a teenage twat and laughing at you with a hit to the shoulder? Fine.

No, not only is hitting him not fine, it is illegal. You can teach a child consequences in much better ways than hitting. Hitting not only doesn't teach them anything, it often results in continued retaliation. The only time hitting would be acceptable is in self defense, and this obviously is not self defense.

Well, the omniscient nurturing expert, what would you suggest?
Again, one must learn to divide between child abuse and punishment. The line might seem blurry, but it's there.

The problem is you are not seeing the line. Punching a minor is considered child abuse under the law and never acceptable. It is not even an effective disciplinary action. Having them do yard work for elderly neighbors for example, would have been a more suitable learning experience to "repay" their debt to society for lack of respect for others. You teach them respect and importance of community not to go around punching people if you are upset.

Does the judge come off the bench and punch you for doing something wrong? No. You are fined, given community service or incarcerated, none of which includes punching you. You instead take this as an opportunity to teach them how to live, not teach them how to throw a tantrum.

 

[RealRT]

My younger brother deleted my game data for GTA5. Naturally, I was pissed. But he said sorry and kept saying due to the fact that I was on the last mission and had lost everything. In the end, he just got the worse wedgey that he's ever felt. But then I learn from another younger brother that he went home and was laughing it up. He thought it was the best thing he ever did. So when I saw him again, I popped him. The question is: Was it wrong to do such a thing? And what would you have done if it was your game data that got erased?

Edit: He's 13 and I'm 26. He wasn't injured. The punch was to his right shoulder.

Your an adult, learn to handle your anger responsibly.

That doesn't mean the little twat didn't need a punishment. I mean, beating a child senseless over a deleted save? Horrifying. Teaching a teenage twat some respect over being a teenage twat and laughing at you with a hit to the shoulder? Fine.

No, not only is hitting him not fine, it is illegal. You can teach a child consequences in much better ways than hitting. Hitting not only doesn't teach them anything, it often results in continued retaliation. The only time hitting would be acceptable is in self defense, and this obviously is not self defense.

Well, the omniscient nurturing expert, what would you suggest?
Again, one must learn to divide between child abuse and punishment. The line might seem blurry, but it's there.

The problem is you are not seeing the line. Punching a minor is considered child abuse under the law and never acceptable. It is not even an effective disciplinary action. Having them do yard work for elderly neighbors for example, would have been a more suitable learning experience to "repay" their debt to society for lack of respect for others. You teach them respect and importance of community not to go around punching people if you are upset.

Does the judge come off the bench and punch you for doing something wrong? No. You are fined, given community service or incarcerated, none of which includes punching you. You instead take this as an opportunity to teach them how to live, not teach them how to throw a tantrum.

Judging by what you are posting, YOU are not seeing the line. I see it just fine, I've been on both sides of it.
Punishment has to be quick. The longer it lasts, the it dwells on the child, the more time it has for letting his own anger grow and planning retaliation. That is not something you want.

Being jailed does inlude people getting punched. So does interrogation. Or having a cop with a bad temper. A lot of things do, actually. The judge wouldn't punch me because they're not the executor.

 

[Elijin]

Some people are really getting caught up on the imagery these words are provoking.

I'd say they're picturing a full sized 6ft adult, punching a small child full force for annoying them.

Now Im not the OP, so this is only my guess at is but, take a step back and consider this:

The punch was a simple brotherly tap. The good old 'you're a jerkface' pop to the arm which only resembles a punch in appearance. None of the force, none of the injury or pain, just the simple conveyed message of 'Brother, you have dicked me over, and I am annoyed'

We're not talking about a bar fight, or this guy king hitting a small child. We're talking about two brothers exchanging a punch which the smaller had probably forgotten about in the time it took you to read this.

The other thing is age. As I previously mention, he said 26 and 13, and you guys have gone nuts picturing a big ass man punching a little kid. At 13 my -youngest- brother was my size. He's since gone on to have a considerable advantage. We still exchange brotherly punches. Its more ritual than fight, and definitely not abuse, or even injury.


Basically everyone needs to take a chill pill, stop picturing something from crimestoppers or jerry springer, and use their thinking caps.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

My younger brother deleted my game data for GTA5. Naturally, I was pissed. But he said sorry and kept saying due to the fact that I was on the last mission and had lost everything. In the end, he just got the worse wedgey that he's ever felt. But then I learn from another younger brother that he went home and was laughing it up. He thought it was the best thing he ever did. So when I saw him again, I popped him. The question is: Was it wrong to do such a thing? And what would you have done if it was your game data that got erased?

Edit: He's 13 and I'm 26. He wasn't injured. The punch was to his right shoulder.

Your an adult, learn to handle your anger responsibly.

That doesn't mean the little twat didn't need a punishment. I mean, beating a child senseless over a deleted save? Horrifying. Teaching a teenage twat some respect over being a teenage twat and laughing at you with a hit to the shoulder? Fine.

No, not only is hitting him not fine, it is illegal. You can teach a child consequences in much better ways than hitting. Hitting not only doesn't teach them anything, it often results in continued retaliation. The only time hitting would be acceptable is in self defense, and this obviously is not self defense.

Well, the omniscient nurturing expert, what would you suggest?
Again, one must learn to divide between child abuse and punishment. The line might seem blurry, but it's there.

The problem is you are not seeing the line. Punching a minor is considered child abuse under the law and never acceptable. It is not even an effective disciplinary action. Having them do yard work for elderly neighbors for example, would have been a more suitable learning experience to "repay" their debt to society for lack of respect for others. You teach them respect and importance of community not to go around punching people if you are upset.

Does the judge come off the bench and punch you for doing something wrong? No. You are fined, given community service or incarcerated, none of which includes punching you. You instead take this as an opportunity to teach them how to live, not teach them how to throw a tantrum.

Judging by what you are posting, YOU are not seeing the line. I see it just fine, I've been on both sides of it.
Punishment has to be quick. The longer it lasts, the it dwells on the child, the more time it has for letting his own anger grow and planning retaliation. That is not something you want.

Being jailed does inlude people getting punched. So does interrogation. Or having a cop with a bad temper. A lot of things do, actually. The judge wouldn't punch me because they're not the executor.

No, interrogation does not involve getting punched. Sounds like you have been watching too many action movies. If an officer or investigator punched someone during questioning they can not only be relieved of duty and incarcerated themselves, they can also be sued by the victim for doing so.

It matters not that they are brothers, you cannot go around punching anyone.

 

[RealRT]

My younger brother deleted my game data for GTA5. Naturally, I was pissed. But he said sorry and kept saying due to the fact that I was on the last mission and had lost everything. In the end, he just got the worse wedgey that he's ever felt. But then I learn from another younger brother that he went home and was laughing it up. He thought it was the best thing he ever did. So when I saw him again, I popped him. The question is: Was it wrong to do such a thing? And what would you have done if it was your game data that got erased?

Edit: He's 13 and I'm 26. He wasn't injured. The punch was to his right shoulder.

Your an adult, learn to handle your anger responsibly.

That doesn't mean the little twat didn't need a punishment. I mean, beating a child senseless over a deleted save? Horrifying. Teaching a teenage twat some respect over being a teenage twat and laughing at you with a hit to the shoulder? Fine.

No, not only is hitting him not fine, it is illegal. You can teach a child consequences in much better ways than hitting. Hitting not only doesn't teach them anything, it often results in continued retaliation. The only time hitting would be acceptable is in self defense, and this obviously is not self defense.

Well, the omniscient nurturing expert, what would you suggest?
Again, one must learn to divide between child abuse and punishment. The line might seem blurry, but it's there.

The problem is you are not seeing the line. Punching a minor is considered child abuse under the law and never acceptable. It is not even an effective disciplinary action. Having them do yard work for elderly neighbors for example, would have been a more suitable learning experience to "repay" their debt to society for lack of respect for others. You teach them respect and importance of community not to go around punching people if you are upset.

Does the judge come off the bench and punch you for doing something wrong? No. You are fined, given community service or incarcerated, none of which includes punching you. You instead take this as an opportunity to teach them how to live, not teach them how to throw a tantrum.

Judging by what you are posting, YOU are not seeing the line. I see it just fine, I've been on both sides of it.
Punishment has to be quick. The longer it lasts, the it dwells on the child, the more time it has for letting his own anger grow and planning retaliation. That is not something you want.

Being jailed does inlude people getting punched. So does interrogation. Or having a cop with a bad temper. A lot of things do, actually. The judge wouldn't punch me because they're not the executor.

No, interrogation does not involve getting punched. You have been watching too many action movies. If an officer or investigator punched someone during questioning they can not only be relieved of duty and incarcerated themselves, they can also be sued by the victim for doing so.

In a perfect world where everything goes by the book, yeah. We don't live in a perfect world. We live in a shitty world.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

My younger brother deleted my game data for GTA5. Naturally, I was pissed. But he said sorry and kept saying due to the fact that I was on the last mission and had lost everything. In the end, he just got the worse wedgey that he's ever felt. But then I learn from another younger brother that he went home and was laughing it up. He thought it was the best thing he ever did. So when I saw him again, I popped him. The question is: Was it wrong to do such a thing? And what would you have done if it was your game data that got erased?

Edit: He's 13 and I'm 26. He wasn't injured. The punch was to his right shoulder.

Your an adult, learn to handle your anger responsibly.

That doesn't mean the little twat didn't need a punishment. I mean, beating a child senseless over a deleted save? Horrifying. Teaching a teenage twat some respect over being a teenage twat and laughing at you with a hit to the shoulder? Fine.

No, not only is hitting him not fine, it is illegal. You can teach a child consequences in much better ways than hitting. Hitting not only doesn't teach them anything, it often results in continued retaliation. The only time hitting would be acceptable is in self defense, and this obviously is not self defense.

Well, the omniscient nurturing expert, what would you suggest?
Again, one must learn to divide between child abuse and punishment. The line might seem blurry, but it's there.

The problem is you are not seeing the line. Punching a minor is considered child abuse under the law and never acceptable. It is not even an effective disciplinary action. Having them do yard work for elderly neighbors for example, would have been a more suitable learning experience to "repay" their debt to society for lack of respect for others. You teach them respect and importance of community not to go around punching people if you are upset.

Does the judge come off the bench and punch you for doing something wrong? No. You are fined, given community service or incarcerated, none of which includes punching you. You instead take this as an opportunity to teach them how to live, not teach them how to throw a tantrum.

Judging by what you are posting, YOU are not seeing the line. I see it just fine, I've been on both sides of it.
Punishment has to be quick. The longer it lasts, the it dwells on the child, the more time it has for letting his own anger grow and planning retaliation. That is not something you want.

Being jailed does inlude people getting punched. So does interrogation. Or having a cop with a bad temper. A lot of things do, actually. The judge wouldn't punch me because they're not the executor.

No, interrogation does not involve getting punched. You have been watching too many action movies. If an officer or investigator punched someone during questioning they can not only be relieved of duty and incarcerated themselves, they can also be sued by the victim for doing so.

In a perfect world where everything goes by the book, yeah. We don't live in a perfect world. We live in a shitty world.

And in this " shitty world" one punch can kill someone. My friend from high school went to prison for exactly that. A guy was leaving a bar with his date and he slapped her. My friend saw this and punched the guy once. The guy hit his head on the curb and was in a coma and eventually died. My friend was charged with involuntary manslaughter and incarcerated.

The reason we do not allow people to go around punching and hitting others, even if there is no visible injury at the time, is because it is an infringement of their person. You cannot go around kissing, hitting, pushing, yanking things out of peoples hands as they are all considered an assault on anothers person. You do not have the " right" to do so.

 

[Kricketz]

Wow, a lot of posters in this thread seem to miss the point, or didn't properly read the OP opening paragraph. It's not ENTIRELY about the save data being deleted. The little brother was hit in the shoulder because he pretended to be apologetic and say sorry to the OP, then laugh about it and make fun with his other brother back home. This is insincerity at it's finest and is something that a lot of young people don't understand, today. This is a serious problem and the OP was right to be upset about it. Now, should he have punched him? Meh, he popped him in the shoulder. I will assume that since it's his brother, the OP didn't seriously want to hurt or injure him. I've certainly had much worse from my older brother, but years later we're still cool with each other.

I personally would have handled it differently. Eye for eye worked for me in this situation. When my younger brother deleted ALL my data off my PSOne Memory Card. The little shittwerpangel thought it was hysterical until I took his N64 and kept it in my room with my older brother. He knew better than to touch my stuff without asking. Explained the situation rather candidly to my step-dad, highlighting my intent to teach a lesson, and he was cool with it. My older brother also agreed, and helped me out. Gave it back to him after about 3 months, and from that day forward he always asked me before he touched any of my stuff up until I moved out. Now that we're older, I'm more lenient with my stuff and we actually still joke about it.

 

[The Artificially Prolonged]

A slight dig in the shoulder is no big deal (though uncreative) between brothers if that's all in was. The one thing you don't want to do when dealing with a save deleter is retaliate in kind. He deletes your progress, so you leave his character's only save of him falling down a pit which he cannot survive leaving the save as a endless cycle of death. In turn he discards all your rare items, so you set all the trees in his minecraft world on fire. And so it continues and escalates until you're both placing magnets on each other's hard drives in some horrible Cold War style gamer mutually assured destruction.

 

[RealRT]

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And in this " shitty world" one punch can kill someone. My friend from high school went to prison for exactly that. A guy was leaving a bar with his date and he slapped her. My friend saw this and punched the guy once. The guy hit his head on the curb and was in a coma and eventually died. My friend was charged with involuntary manslaughter and incarcerated.

The reason we do not allow people to go around punching and hitting others, even if there is no visible injury at the time, is because it is an infringement of their person. You cannot go around kissing, hitting, pushing, yanking things out of peoples hands as they are all considered an assault on anothers person. You do not have the " right" to do so.

Well, I'm not an expert, but I'd say the guy didn't die from the punch, he died from hitting his head. Now a punch can kill a guy - far as I know, a poorly (or well, depending on the intention) placed punch in the spleen can kill a person or a punch in solar splexus. Shoulders aren't included in the list and I strongly doubt OT's punch was so hard the brother fell down and hit his head.
The reason we do not allow people to go around punching and hitting others is beacuse it bloody hurts. As for the "infringement on the person", if we go this route, there are a lot of things that we might consider out of line, like taking away stuff, like video games, as a punishment, restraining them in any way (go to your room) or making them do chores. See where I'm going?
The keyword here is discipline and it's something teenage boys aren't very receptive to if you're going to do this kiddy wheel stuff with them. Now I'm not saying a parent should punch - IMO, spanking for younger kids or a slap on the back of the head for teens is enough, anything more and you're out of line. But OT's not a parent, he's a sibling and doesn't hold as much authority by default, so there must be a way to impose it.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

My younger brother deleted my game data for GTA5. Naturally, I was pissed. But he said sorry and kept saying due to the fact that I was on the last mission and had lost everything. In the end, he just got the worse wedgey that he's ever felt. But then I learn from another younger brother that he went home and was laughing it up. He thought it was the best thing he ever did. So when I saw him again, I popped him. The question is: Was it wrong to do such a thing? And what would you have done if it was your game data that got erased?

Edit: He's 13 and I'm 26. He wasn't injured. The punch was to his right shoulder.

Your an adult, learn to handle your anger responsibly.

That doesn't mean the little twat didn't need a punishment. I mean, beating a child senseless over a deleted save? Horrifying. Teaching a teenage twat some respect over being a teenage twat and laughing at you with a hit to the shoulder? Fine.

And there for sending the message that it's okay to resolve conflict with violence.

This is why people get into fights at bars over stupid shit and then someone ends up dead, and the person who accidentally did it in jail.

Boo fucking hoo, a game save was deleted. Grow up, on the list of things to actually be upset over it's really really fucking minor.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

Wow, a lot of posters in this thread seem to miss the point, or didn't properly read the OP opening paragraph. It's not ENTIRELY about the save data being deleted. The little brother was hit in the shoulder because he pretended to be apologetic and say sorry to the OP, then laugh about it and make fun with his other brother back home. This is insincerity at it's finest and is something that a lot of young people don't understand, today. This is a serious problem and the OP was right to be upset about it. Now, should he have punched him? Meh, he popped him in the shoulder. I will assume that since it's his brother, the OP didn't seriously want to hurt or injure him. I've certainly had much worse from my older brother, but years later we're still cool with each other.

I personally would have handled it differently. Eye for eye worked for me in this situation. When my younger brother deleted ALL my data off my PSOne Memory Card. The little shittwerpangel thought it was hysterical until I took his N64 and kept it in my room with my older brother. He knew better than to touch my stuff without asking. Explained the situation rather candidly to my step-dad, highlighting my intent to teach a lesson, and he was cool with it. My older brother also agreed, and helped me out. Gave it back to him after about 3 months, and from that day forward he always asked me before he touched any of my stuff up until I moved out. Now that we're older, I'm more lenient with my stuff and we actually still joke about it.

The problem is that domestic violence is seen as okay and is marginalized by a large portion of society, and thus why it is still such a huge burden on society. The issue is not that people misread the OP. It is that some people think it is okay for a brother to hit a brother at all. To say " it is okay and we are okay now- no harm done", is part of the problem enabling the cycle of violence to continue. Many do not realize the vast majority of domestic violence is between siblings, not between parents and children.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/singletons/200910/the-dark-side-siblings

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

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And in this " shitty world" one punch can kill someone. My friend from high school went to prison for exactly that. A guy was leaving a bar with his date and he slapped her. My friend saw this and punched the guy once. The guy hit his head on the curb and was in a coma and eventually died. My friend was charged with involuntary manslaughter and incarcerated.

The reason we do not allow people to go around punching and hitting others, even if there is no visible injury at the time, is because it is an infringement of their person. You cannot go around kissing, hitting, pushing, yanking things out of peoples hands as they are all considered an assault on anothers person. You do not have the " right" to do so.

Well, I'm not an expert, but I'd say the guy didn't die from the punch, he died from hitting his head. Now a punch can kill a guy - far as I know, a poorly (or well, depending on the intention) placed punch in the spleen can kill a person or a punch in solar splexus. Shoulders aren't included in the list and I strongly doubt OT's punch was so hard the brother fell down and hit his head.
The reason we do not allow people to go around punching and hitting others is beacuse it bloody hurts. As for the "infringement on the person", if we go this route, there are a lot of things that we might consider out of line, like taking away stuff, like video games, as a punishment, restraining them in any way (go to your room) or making them do chores. See where I'm going?
The keyword here is discipline and it's something teenage boys aren't very receptive to if you're going to do this kiddy wheel stuff with them. Now I'm not saying a parent should punch - IMO, spanking for younger kids or a slap on the back of the head for teens is enough, anything more and you're out of line. But OT's not a parent, he's a sibling and doesn't hold as much authority by default, so there must be a way to impose it.

First of all, yes a brother is not a legal guardian unless recognized as such by the courts and in no way considered the same as parental discipline. A parent taking a video game away as punishment and a brother doing so are not the same things, however, no one is even discussing taking a video game away here, we are discussing punching a child in the shoulder. Neither the parents or the sibling has the legal right to do that considering that is considered illegal regardless of who is doing it. A punch is not a spanking and is not on the bottom, and by the age of 13 a child is well beyond the years for a swat to the bottom as being seen as appropriate by any means.

The appropriate course of action for a 26 year old brother would have been to go to the parents and ask them to do something about it, because that is their department, not his.

 

[RealRT]

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I was giving examples of typical non-hitting punishment routine - no video games, go to your room, now you'll wash dishes until the end of eternity, et cetera.
May you next time read the whole post instead of exactly 50%? Because I remember stating quite clearly that spanking is for minors and slapping on the back of the head is for teens.

Oh, yeah, THAT would not make him disrespect the brother any more. Mature people may see it as an appropriate thing to do, but what do kids see? That's right, they see the big old brother snitch because he's can't handle the matter on his own and therefor is weak and OK to pick on.

And there for sending the message that it's okay to resolve conflict with violence.

This is why people get into fights at bars over stupid shit and then someone ends up dead, and the person who accidentally did it in jail.

Boo fucking hoo, a game save was deleted. Grow up, on the list of things to actually be upset over it's really really fucking minor.

No, it's sending a message that you don't get to wrong someone and then laugh behind their back without any retribution.

It wasn't over a save file, it was about the kid in question bragging and laughing about it.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

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I was giving examples of typical non-hitting punishment routine - no video games, go to your room, now you'll wash dishes until the end of eternity, et cetera.
May you next time read the whole post instead of exactly 50%? Because I remember stating quite clearly that spanking is for minors and slapping on the back of the head is for teens.

Oh, yeah, THAT would not make him disrespect the brother any more. Mature people may see it as an appropriate thing to do, but what do kids see? That's right, they see the big old brother snitch because he's can't handle the matter on his own and therefor is weak and OK to pick on.

And there for sending the message that it's okay to resolve conflict with violence.

This is why people get into fights at bars over stupid shit and then someone ends up dead, and the person who accidentally did it in jail.

Boo fucking hoo, a game save was deleted. Grow up, on the list of things to actually be upset over it's really really fucking minor.

No, it's sending a message that you don't get to wrong someone and then laugh behind their back without any retribution.

It wasn't over a save file, it was about the kid in question bragging and laughing about it.

My God your right, such a thing is completely intolerable to a grown adult.

Again, that it's okay to resort to violence over such petty insignificant things. Oh mocking a 26 year old man out of ear shot, to feel slighted by a 13 IS PATHETIC!

 

[RealRT]

My God your right, such a thing is completely intolerable to a grown adult.

Again, that it's okay to resort to violence over such petty insignificant things. Oh mocking a 26 year old man out of ear shot, to feel slighted by a 13 IS PATHETIC!

Yeah. That's why he should've given him a pat on the head and encouraged him to continue. That's what grown adults do, right? Let everything slide.

 

[Kotaro]

This is precisely why I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever let other people even touch my computer.

It did happen to me once when I was at summer camp, though. I lent my copy of Monster Rancher Advance 2 (not the best game, but I liked it at the time) to a friend and he saved over my file (which was at the very end of the game). That was the last time I ever lent a cartridge-based game to another person.

As for whether or not you were right to hit the kid, I don't know how to answer that. I want to say that no, you shouldn't have hit him, but I probably would do the same thing.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

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I was giving examples of typical non-hitting punishment routine - no video games, go to your room, now you'll wash dishes until the end of eternity, et cetera.
May you next time read the whole post instead of exactly 50%? Because I remember stating quite clearly that spanking is for minors and slapping on the back of the head is for teens.

Oh, yeah, THAT would not make him disrespect the brother any more. Mature people may see it as an appropriate thing to do, but what do kids see? That's right, they see the big old brother snitch because he's can't handle the matter on his own and therefor is weak and OK to pick on.

And there for sending the message that it's okay to resolve conflict with violence.

This is why people get into fights at bars over stupid shit and then someone ends up dead, and the person who accidentally did it in jail.

Boo fucking hoo, a game save was deleted. Grow up, on the list of things to actually be upset over it's really really fucking minor.

No, it's sending a message that you don't get to wrong someone and then laugh behind their back without any retribution.

It wasn't over a save file, it was about the kid in question bragging and laughing about it.

A 26 year old is expected to be a mature person and act accordingly. Hitting a child does not teach them that their actions caused them to get hit, instead it teaches them that you can get away with hitting someone if you are bigger than they are. They see the person who hits as responsible for them getting hit not that their actions are responsible for them getting hit, because their actions are not what caused them to get hit, the person who hit thems actions are what caused them to get hit. What you are suggesting is that they should blame themselves for the actions of the person hitting them, which is not only victim blaming, but having the victim blame themselves. They are separate actions and separate responsibility for those actions. The person who hits is solely responsible for their actions, blaming the person they are hitting is victim blaming.

I disagree with " punishment" being necessary at all for people to learn respect rather instead they should use it as an educational opportunity. The end goal should be for them to understand the need for respect for others, not to be hurt or punished for their actions. Education is far more effective than a short term punishment at reducing repeat offenses.

Show them the need for respect for others and why we cannot function is such a way with examples and practice rather than bullying them into submission. All that bullying does is teach them " if I was bigger and stronger I could hurt you instead" or have them resort to use of weapons to defend themselves against someone they cannot physically beat. All that physical abuse does is humiliate them and reduce their understanding of respect.