Ok one part of this debate I want to put to bed is the whole art style of this game, that wasn't a major point of my argument and people have hooked into it and adding all kinds of nonsense.
Firstly, yes the game is very Blade Runner Esq but that's not steampunk, its cyberpunk as quite a few said. Steampunk is low tech which this game clearly isnt, anyone confused on that issue needs to look up the description of art styles.
My issue with the art style wasn't that its wrong or inferior, is that it has nothing to do with the first game. The setting looks completely different, the setting in the first game. The first game was not massively Japanese influenced like this one clearly is. The setting reeks of modern day Tokyo with a terrible colour pallet. Everything is smeared brown like some bland FPS.
The first game went to real world locations, all over the world, not just some oriental backdrop that looks like courasant from star wars smeared with dirt. That was my issue with the art style, giving it a more anime spin and Japanese spin ruins a lot of the concept and ruins a lot of the future noir cyberpunk. To quote Jlstoo above me.
So please, quiet down about the art style. My point was comparatively with the first game, not rambling on about what constitutes cyberpunk or steampunk. Only reason I brought it up a second time because people began falsely calling the game steampunk which is wrong. Game is listed by the makers of the game as "Cyberpunk mixed with Renaissance" as I said in my first post. Although I do fail to see the Renaissance side of it, it looks exactly like Blade runner and the only ye old parts I've seen was in his dream.
So back to the ORIGINAL TOPIC...
Is this game worthy to be put in the same league as Deus Ex the first game...
My argument is no, because its made by different people and people who so far have shown they don't want to remake the first. The setting is different, art style is quite different, colour pallet is different, story is heavily SE influenced and even universe is different.
The makers have announced it is not taking place in the same deus ex world we remember. Its closer to a prequel than a sequel, the "ONLY THING IT HAS IN COMMON" is the claim that it blends stealth, shooting and hacking like the first. A VERY BOLD CLAIM.
Many games have tried that and none have succeeded like the first, so far we have seen no evidence to suggest it has anything as good as that save trailers and screen shots which really don't show good game play. Just hard action, something we know from the film world is that trailers all look awesome but rarely portray an awesome film.
Now to the subject of Square Enix, my words about them appeared to have angered a few so let me explain. Square Enix do not make good games and have not since FF7. Period. Now some people like the later FF games because of mainly sentimental reasons, no serious critique or game designer would say that their well made. More their just "fun" if you enjoy that kind of game. SE are generally disliked in the industry for their heavy handed approach and often hamstringing developers into doing what they want.
An example of this is Kane and Lynch. Buying up a western developer of the Hitman games, forcing them to make a new game similar and rail roading their options, leading to one of the worst games of last year.
If you like some FF games... fair enough, if you like FFX fair enough. But don't try to say these are good games, their not, just fan favorites. Speaking of the FF fans by the way, the series has not sold outside of its fan base for years and that fan base has steadily shrunk. Leading to desperate moves by SE in trying to remake the last real success, FF7. FF13 was famously a rip off this, starting in the same zone and with a carbon copy of cloud just changed to female.
So can we please keep this to facts, rather than personal attacks. I dislike SE sure... but so do a lot of people for very good reasons. They produce junk and I think more people should be up in arms about them getting their hands on Dues Ex and making it into a FF RPG.
Deus ex was a western themed RPG, western style story and game play. A classic sure, but Deus Ex human revolution has nothing in common with it so far.
Also, we can judge ganes before they come on what we see so far. That is the point of advertising, marketing and trailers. To make to judge it favorably, there is nothing wrong with taking the FACTS of what we know so far and making an opinion. Most of us buy games based on the opinions we form before a game comes out. So drop this whole "You cant judge it before its out, that's stupid!" Because it really isnt.
Many examples of games that are hyped up by media and turn out to be rubbish. Black and White 2, Fable 2 and Fable 3 to a lesser degree. Alone in the Dark, Haze, (Most Sonic games), Alien Vs Predator 2. Age of Conan probably the biggest one. Perhaps if more people judged these games by the vague trailers and studied the screen shots... we wouldn't have so many people being duped by marketing.
Facts are, Made by different people (Produced by the same sure but the first time around SE did not cut the arms off their developers back then, they made good games. Kane and Lynch Syndrome came in later), different art style (anime influence rather than pure cyberpunk), different cultural influence (JRPGS cut scene heavy, pretentious topics and characters),the cliche characters and bad writing archetypes (pretentious main character, typical dark broody anti hero with a black trench coat and sunglasses. Comprimised writting, pandering to crowds) How is this Deus ex ?
This thread is about if the game has any right to be compared to the first and WHY, stick to that. Not its damm art style, a minor point that isnt overly relevant.
EDIT
I will concede something though, sexualisation of women is not a JRPG or anime exclusive thing. Quite right of folks to say so, HOWEVER it is infamous with those and in nearly every JRPG or anime it features at least some of it. I dont need to list them, anyone with google can found thousands of examples. Pretty common knowledge and Square Enix is also known for it excessively, Finial Fantasy series's are rife with it.
On regards to this being a "serious attempt" at it and not a cash in like the first sequel... would like to point out Square Enix's history. Its no secret that after their MMO they annouced record breaking losses and they are also known for buying up old series and trying to make money off cult fans to generate profits. There is nothing to suggest this isnt the same cash in attempts we have seen from them in the past.