Yes, charisma has been around forever, but few games actually let you use it. How many games can that let you kill let you get through them without killing? And "knocking people unconscious" with an effect that is the exact same as killing does not count. Off the top of my head, I can only think of Fallout. So yeah, it's interesting that another game has actually decided to include it.Marohen said:
Deus Ex: Human Revolution's Social Boss Fights Swap Bullets for Words
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The Metal Gear Solid series. And since this is a thread about Human Revolution, I should mention that in HR, knocking people out has the same effect as killing them except you get more XP for non lethal takedowns.poppabaggins said:
Anyway, these social boss fights are pretty fun the first time around but after that, its more fun to fight the guy.
These things aren't true. If anything, Deus Ex is too easy, tactically speaking. I've only played it on the hardest difficulty (though I experiment with lower difficulty levels) and it's a cakewalk.Azaraxzealot said:
Either you're bad at fpses or you didn't read the instructions -- or use the tutorial. There's a skill system. Short version: you suck at the things you don't put skill points in. Unless you're incompetent at shooters, you must have incompetently arranged your skills. There isn't any other sane alternative; it's easier to kill people with guns and knives in Deus Ex than it is in any modern fps, unless one is using one of the poorly designed weapons -- and you specifically didn't mention those! The stealth pistol is more than enough to slaughter everyone the first half of the game, and dropping all points into Rifles and going with the sniper rifle is, literally, the easiest way to play the game. And I've stealthed through the first level so many times I've lost count. Indeed, pacifist playthroughs where you don't kill NPCs are much harder than standard playthroughs and they require the tranq-firing minicrossbow, which uses the Pistols skill. You can get through the first level with nearly never being sighted and no fatalaties with even just a little fps experience.
As for Human Revolution, it's not the first game to put in social conflicts, but unless it has actual procedural mechanics, it's just script memorization and isn't anything that hasn't been done before. It could be fun, but it's not original. We'll see.
Seriously, go back and make better initial character creation choices. Then give the game a chance and remember back when the first Deus Ex came out games didnt hold your hand and wipe your butt for you. It's a cracker of a game and its worth more than the cursory look you gave it.Azaraxzealot said:
Hmm...I still don't know whether I want it. It has two heavy strikes against it for me, but lots of positive things.
The good:
-Choice, and that each seems like a viable and equally well-implemented option
-Story. It seems intriguing.
The bad:
-First person. Hate the perspective
-The ridiculous aesthetic choices. Seriously, all that brown and yellow looks horrendous. It's like I'm looking at a normal game through a piss-colored filter.
The good:
-Choice, and that each seems like a viable and equally well-implemented option
-Story. It seems intriguing.
The bad:
-First person. Hate the perspective
-The ridiculous aesthetic choices. Seriously, all that brown and yellow looks horrendous. It's like I'm looking at a normal game through a piss-colored filter.
Even disregarding the forced boss fights, I don't think that's possible in Metal Gear Solid, Sons of Liberty or Snake Eater.WeedWorm said:
MGS - The part where you have to shoot your way to the top of the communications tower
MGS2 - When Raiden teams up with Snake for a shoot out in Arsenal Gear
MGS3 - The motorcycle chase sequence
It's looking better and better, the only problem I have so far is the cliched nature of the 'evil corporation that controls people with augmentation and drugs' plot. I mean, I get that it's playing off the cyberpunk works of Gibson like Neuromancer and such, but it's just such a basic, dumbed down notion of how augmentation would affect the future that it might be the game's biggest weak point (from what I've seen so far, but who knows, it could surprise me). What I really want to see is how augmentation would completely alter a society and the massive changes that would occur, including all the shifts in philosophy, the prejudice, government regulations, and exploitation of the technology that would occur. In short, I want a story about transhumanism changing the human condition, not the standard 'capitalists/businessmen R evil' nonsense. I'm hoping the final product will at least touch on those subjects.
Of course, since it's Deus Ex, they're probably going to have some international cabals trying to rule the world as well.
Of course, since it's Deus Ex, they're probably going to have some international cabals trying to rule the world as well.
i upgraded my pistols skill all the way and it still wouldn't hit shit, and when it did enemies were completely ignoring the damage as though nothing happened.Jim Grim said:
i upraged my rifles to NEAR full and i couldn't hit someone right in front of me.
look, i KNOW i'm not bad at shooters, i can play unreal tournament online and win most deathmatches, but this game is just ridiculous. i played the tutorial and everything SEEMED all straightforward, but once i got into the game my weapons and skills were no more useful than bunny farts.
Well that may be where your having difficulty, Unreal tournament is nothing like the combat in Deus Ex. You have to take your time and let the crosshairs settle. It takes a while, but you'll get excellent accuracy even without increasing your weapon skill.Azaraxzealot said:
I think in the social conflicts, the dialogue is randomized and how they would act emotionaly is differnet each time. So, there seems to be a lot more to memorize and/or be more to it than it would be normally in games.keserak said:
Did you do the training before starting to play the story in Deus Ex? Note the training stealth section is harder than the main game I think though.Jumplion said:
You may want to try Deus Ex Invisible War. I really liked it but a lot of the hardcore dues ex fans seemed not to like it. Deus Ex Invisibel WAr dumbed things down a bit, no skill system, and not having to level up to hit things with guns.
I got both Deus Ex games in a bundle, though I plan to go for the first one to get up to speed. It's just a little odd, really. The way you have to stand still and keep your crosshairs on the enemy at all times just to be able to hit him is counter intuitive when the enemy finds out where you are and starts firing on you. I end up dieing in 4 hits even on the easiest difficulty.thenamelessloser said:
It's weird, but fascinating in a way. Like going back in time and trying to discover what really made the game click with everyone else.