I'm more surprised by the fact they are only asking for $5000, cases like this usually end up with much more money being on the line, if we go by the PC version alone, that's only 100 copies not being sold according to them.WabbitTwacks said:
Deus Ex Leak Ends in Lawsuit
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I find it crazy that they have lost sales because of this. Quite on the contrary I know that for myself, and likely others, will now buy it at full price. Besides, the Preview is like an extended demo, it isn't the full game so they haven't lost a single full copy of it.
Well, alpha builds are so full of bugs and almost not working, that yes, showing a pre-release build can make people not buy the game because some stupid people don't understand that the game is not working properly while in alpha and beta. The goal of these phases are to add features and stabilize the game respectively.Staskala said:
I think the fee is so small because they want to show that: It is not right or legal to do that" but they still realize that they will benefit from the leak. I think this is more about principle than getting compensation for anything.GreatTeacherCAW said:
I think this is OK, after all they did break the law and stole the copy of the build and uploaded it to torrent sites illegally. And I think 5,000 is reasonable sum compared to what they would have demanded in America "67trillion-billion dollar$", like the people who are being sued can even pay this sum in few years instead of getting their lives destroyed by stupid demands.
I think this is just OK. They broke the law, they get punished and the punishment is reasonable.
Exactly. That demo build gave them SO much good publicity. I haven't heard too many negative things about it, and even when I did, they were waved off as problems of the build.de5gravity said:Played the build, loved it so much, pre ordered the augmented edition. That is all
The same way every single download of an MP3 from Napster Kazaa eMule Limewire Bittorrent is a lost sale and that's why the music industry can sue for more money than is on the planet.GiantRaven said:
They're not actually asking for just $ 5,000 dollars, that's just the sum that turns it from small claims to serious business legally speaking. Also they're legally required to take legal action against any kind of copyright infringement. Besides, their shareholders would probably not approve of the company just letting people steal their property.
Loooooooooooooooooool did they actually sue someone for "lost sales of 5000 USD"?
(No, ofc they did not. They sued someone because they managed to get their game released too early and pirated, but why not simply say that? The 5000 USD is just laughable. Heck, I could pay that!)
(No, ofc they did not. They sued someone because they managed to get their game released too early and pirated, but why not simply say that? The 5000 USD is just laughable. Heck, I could pay that!)
So they should overlook the theft of their intellectual property because it had some positive outcomes for them? That would set a fantastic precedent for future piracy. "Hey guys, I know someone who works at Rockstar. Let's use him to steal the Alpha build of GTA V. Don't worry, as long as the game is good they won't sue us because we'd be doing them a favour."GLo Jones said:
It is odd that they're suing for a paltry sum over something most in the industry would try to get a ridiculous amount for. So I am wondering if this is Squares version of "slap on the wrist".MGlBlaze said:
They can't condone the actions taken to leak the build but they also most have noticed the notable positive impact it had on sales and excitement for the game.
Or maybe it was them the whole time, and now they're milking it to the point where it is backfiring on them and bringing about negative feedback. Not that square would ever milk something.
wink, wink, nudge, nudge, know what i mean, know what i mean.
Yea, it's not like this is a full release copy of the game that got leaked, and from what I can tell this leak has led to an increase in pre-orders, so where does SE get off claiming that they're losing sales over this?
They should sue whoever made the early trailers that made the game look super dull. (actually just joking here, people sue way too much and it just wastes the courts time) I wasn't that hyped up about the game until I read what random people thought of when they played the leak to be honest especialy since many of them were fans of the first Deus Ex. I think the leak was better marketing than anything Squareenix did and even jokingly thought the leak was a conspiracy to get more people interested in the game especially considering how Deus Ex games have tons of conspiracies. I'm just gong to be telling myself that this whole suing over the leak is just part of the grand marketing conspiracy. SHUT UP HANLON"S RAZOR DO NOT RUIN DEUS EX FOR ME! http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ptitle97h4eweh
Damn you HANLON"S RAZOR!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
but seriously i suppose tnhe person who uploaded it still performed idenity theft but still overall think the leak actually helped more than hurt the number of sales...
Damn you HANLON"S RAZOR!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
but seriously i suppose tnhe person who uploaded it still performed idenity theft but still overall think the leak actually helped more than hurt the number of sales...
Akalabeth said:
/Facepalm
Yes, Theft is theft. A leak is not theft, What exactly was removed from the possession of the owner of the intellectual property? Thats right absolutely nothing because Eidos and SE still have possession of the game. You can call it a security breach, you can call it mishandling of corporate property, you can call it copywrite infringement as it related to the redistribution of the leaked material, and hell you can even call it fraud based on the defendant is accused of presenting someone elses credentials, but you cant call it theft because nothing was stolen.
People need to understand the words they choose to use.
Now, was my point to say SE should sit back and do nothing? Or was my point to illustrate SE making an outlandishly bold action that makes them look stupid because it is nothing more than stabbing wildly in the dark and spending more money to do so, than what they claim they HAVE lost and justifying it based on the assumption that every instance of copywrite infringement is money out of their pocket.
Heres the perspective that needs to be expressed.
By spending more money than they can ever hope to make back with this litigation they look sphinctery and not capable of basic math.
By not knowing who they are charging they are filing charges against in essence, no one. So who exactly is being brought to justice? A username?
By basing their litigation on assumptions and lacking information, they make themselves look incompetent and further hurt their already suffering public image which is more likely to cost them even more money in "lost sales", be it from boycots of the organization, or by taking this misguided action making themselves a target for "piracy out of spite" Or AKA: "Spore Syndrome"
Thats the perspective that needed to be expressed and that was the point behind my post. Not Piracy R Gud.
As for the indie analogy, thats pretty well flawed considering we are not talking about an indie outfit filled with starving artists on the brink of collapse if they dont profit from their work. We are talking about what is one of the top 5 game producers on the planet to which this leak actually will bring them more profits and may or may not even be an intentional false flag operation to accomplish just exactly that.
Couldnt they just SAY they are suing witheout actually doing so I mean cmon. . . .marketing stunts are called stunts for a reason.
I mean cmon. . . .marketing stunts are called stunts for a reason.