Deus Ex Trailer Promises Secret Global Revolution
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Sorry, but a tube that shoots lemons sounds kinda awesome. Anyway, I am still a little optimistic because being mainstream in no way prevents them from at least copying the level design ideology from Deus Ex, so I think we can at least expect an obvious imitation.Sacman said:
That's exactly what being mainstream does, if they had a small budget and were from a small studio than they wouldn't have to worry about making millions of dollars back and could concentrate on a smaller market like, I dunno, the Deus Ex fan base, instead of spreading itself thin to please a large market... I'm just saying that I can't think of many hugely mainstream games that have taken chances in there design from the last few years... and making a Deus Ex game is a huge chance in design...FaceFaceFace said:
Interesting...
Consider this an intrigued potential buyer. I've played a little bit of the original Deus Ex and it was pretty annoying to play, at least from what I've played. Though I wasn't using an optimized PC, regardless I hate it when PC titles never elaborate on anything.
But whatever, this does look interesting and I'll definitely keep track of it.
Consider this an intrigued potential buyer. I've played a little bit of the original Deus Ex and it was pretty annoying to play, at least from what I've played. Though I wasn't using an optimized PC, regardless I hate it when PC titles never elaborate on anything.
But whatever, this does look interesting and I'll definitely keep track of it.
Well I'm GUESSING that with the current stuff going before the Supreme Court, companies are trying to be on the best and most responsible seeming footing with the ratings and so on.Rigs83 said:
Besides, the issue with Call Of Duty was something differant. Shooting into crowds and such is not contreversial when it's the bad guys doing it, it's somewhat differant when the player, the supposed hero, is put in the role of a civilian slaughtering terrorist. Some could argue such is not unrealistic if you know the truths involved in war (and why it blows chips when it comes to that), but it's something people are not used to seeing. In this case I don't think even that justified the rating since it was not being done by the protaganist as far as I saw (perhaps I glanced over something). As I said, I think it's a matter of being unusually careful for the time being.
Otherwise, while I'm all for another Deus Ex game, I will say that this trailer did nothing to psyche me up any more for it. As I say constantly: cinematic trailers are a dime a dozen, all of them look cool. For me it's all about what the game is actually going to look like in play (which is of course the information companies keep tightest to their chest). All this trailer shows is that someone made a cyberpunk themed 2 minute movie that is just as pretty as the fantasy and science fiction themed cinematic trailers we usually see. It's sort of like getting all psyched up about the equally pretty "DC Universe Online" cinematic trailer. It shows you very little about the game.
If you want to get technical, this trailer was pretty much by the numbers for the genere. Riot cops, corperate skyskraypers, and visual camoflauge right out of "Ghost In The Shell", heck the leather girl wearing it even looks sort of like Major Kusanagi when you get down to it. There really isn't anything all that creative in play there that makes me go "wow, this is a rendition of the Dark Future with things that I haven't seen before". Sort of like how in the DCUO trailer it was hard to get all excited about the idea of The Justice League getting killed off yet again, and then someone pulling time travel out of the big bag of overused macguffins to invalidate the whole defeat and set things up. They weren't even creative enough to get Rip Hunter or Booster Gold involved there which showed that they weren't even going for serious DC-nerd appeal (those two characters, Rip in paticular, being the experts and 'go to' guys for temporal manipulation. In the comics fixing something like this is more their area than Lex's).
Ah well, I'm rambling. The bottom line is that it's another pretty, but largely useless cinematic trailer. I would have preferred they took the money they spent on making that and used it for the game itself, and then showed us footage of the game.
I think some people are looking upon this, while blinded by nostalgia for the original.
The first deus ex was brilliant it had so much to offer the player and encouraged the player to explore, but didn't compel them to. It's combat was optional, as was most other aspects of the game. But ultimately the game was awesome due to the story, atmosphere and the characters.
However, the game itself has not stood the test of time well. Tediously obtuse combat system, a series of useless weapons and items that cause certain character builds to lose out, quite a few pointless augs, horrendous character designs and texture choices (limited or not, so much of deus ex is bland even in comparison to much earlier games), a highly inconsequential choice system (the game can end in the same 3 ways, no matter how you play the game prior, not to mention characters that die as part of your choice hardly affect the game at all, JC seemingly forgets about them no sooner then they die because someone else steps in to make sure the game doesn't stray from the straight and narrow). Don't forget the retardedly easy stealth system (regardless of all the gear or augs you had, it was just as simple to evade without them).
I would be so bold to say, that deus ex only offers pseudo-freedom. It restricts your play style to some rather narrow builds (due to lacklustre augs and items), it makes "key choice events" seem petty, considering the loss of a character or the alteration of an event are completely ignorable. The choice system, in today's standard, is a weak spectrum of Good guy down to asshat, but it doesn't affect how individuals respond to you unless you make faction based choices in the really late game.
The game was great (I must have played 20 or more times by now, on PC and PS2), a milestone in fact... but don't delude yourself. The only merits you should worry about the devs making a mess of, is story, character and atmosphere. Beyond that they can only improve on an otherwise substandard stealth em up/shoot em' up gameplay and a unnecessarily convoluted RPG system (even for it's time). The choice system was weak initially, but because the concept was still relatively new... let's hope they have learned a thing or 2 in the intervening years.
I swear some of you never actually played this classic game, or haven't done so in a long while. Either that or your lying to yourself.
The first deus ex was brilliant it had so much to offer the player and encouraged the player to explore, but didn't compel them to. It's combat was optional, as was most other aspects of the game. But ultimately the game was awesome due to the story, atmosphere and the characters.
However, the game itself has not stood the test of time well. Tediously obtuse combat system, a series of useless weapons and items that cause certain character builds to lose out, quite a few pointless augs, horrendous character designs and texture choices (limited or not, so much of deus ex is bland even in comparison to much earlier games), a highly inconsequential choice system (the game can end in the same 3 ways, no matter how you play the game prior, not to mention characters that die as part of your choice hardly affect the game at all, JC seemingly forgets about them no sooner then they die because someone else steps in to make sure the game doesn't stray from the straight and narrow). Don't forget the retardedly easy stealth system (regardless of all the gear or augs you had, it was just as simple to evade without them).
I would be so bold to say, that deus ex only offers pseudo-freedom. It restricts your play style to some rather narrow builds (due to lacklustre augs and items), it makes "key choice events" seem petty, considering the loss of a character or the alteration of an event are completely ignorable. The choice system, in today's standard, is a weak spectrum of Good guy down to asshat, but it doesn't affect how individuals respond to you unless you make faction based choices in the really late game.
The game was great (I must have played 20 or more times by now, on PC and PS2), a milestone in fact... but don't delude yourself. The only merits you should worry about the devs making a mess of, is story, character and atmosphere. Beyond that they can only improve on an otherwise substandard stealth em up/shoot em' up gameplay and a unnecessarily convoluted RPG system (even for it's time). The choice system was weak initially, but because the concept was still relatively new... let's hope they have learned a thing or 2 in the intervening years.
I swear some of you never actually played this classic game, or haven't done so in a long while. Either that or your lying to yourself.
Yay! Gunther Hermann got a decent line instead of "I'll send you to HELL!" in this trailer.
You can't tell me that's not a young agent hermann and navarre...navarre was soo attractive for some reason...ahem...
Sweet christ I'm tired of hearing "the original didn't age well". Neither will most of you.
And only as far as the games' graphics go, for everything else I have yet to see better.
You can't tell me that's not a young agent hermann and navarre...navarre was soo attractive for some reason...ahem...
Sweet christ I'm tired of hearing "the original didn't age well". Neither will most of you.
And only as far as the games' graphics go, for everything else I have yet to see better.
Wow...why isn't this a movie instead of a game?! Are we going to get to fight just like we see in the trailer? Dunno (I'm certainly willing to wait and see) but it just looks so cinematic and the world has such a cool, believability to it that I'd just want to sit through a couple hours of theatrical storytelling, never mind playing a game in that world.
It really is looking better and better with every new snippet of information that emerges. I hope the final product is as good as these trailers make it seem.
Of course it didn't age well. While not all lead designers may be good at having innovative ideas (innovation = risk, after all) of their own all of them are excellent at recognising innovative ideas that have worked for others and stealing that shit to use themselves. That leads to the actual innovative titles looking much blander than they did at the time (because 6 months later it's no longer new and unique - half the new titles hitting the shelves have started using *whatever*).oranger said:
Elvis *ahem* appropriated Rock'n'Roll and popularised it among white people. Did he age well? No, no he didn't. He died fat and on the toilet and when some old bastard drags out their Elvis tunes to play you just want to stab them in the face... and yet most of us still love some form of Rock music.
I'm sure I have a point in there somewhere.
That's pretty much what I am worried about... that and if I see a quick time event I may be forced to kill someone.Ragsnstitches said:
Of course those things seem pretty easy to cock up... you even see the original creators of games managing to fuck it all up when they handle sequels.
h+ is the symbol associated with Transhumanism, the idea that we can evolve ourselves through technology, and progress towards Posthumanism(basically; people become so whacky we can't even theorise what they'll look or act like).Echer123 said:
My comment was purely based on a general view of this new sequel. People are hardly giving it a chance by attacking almost every facet of it on minute and bogus claims.RhombusHatesYou said:
I mention those few specific aspects because they are what I'm worried about too. But from what I've seen so far, I'm not disappointed, but neither am I overly confident. I have seen good presentation and competence, but I have yet to see consistency... so hopefully in future trailers and demos we will be shown how far they are taking their "promises".
Until then, I will dream. If all falls through and it's a joke (doubtful) I can just play a different game and just forget about it and still have fond memories of the original. If it's more realistically unable to keep with the spirit of deus ex, I will at least see it as an entertaining game.
I will still hope for the best, despite the somewhat popular opinion of not getting your hopes up. The logic behind that philosophy is poor at best.
Well, watch the trailer. At the beginning, that old guy tells you that there's a group of people causing all the problems, "people like you", (meaning cyborgs) and that you have to track them down. It also shows a weird-looking, kind of goth-type woman and big buff guy, which look like bosses to me.Woodsey said:
I don't know anything for sure, but that's just my impression from this trailer.