Developer Blames "American Culture" for Greenlight Ban
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So you are comparing consensual sexual intercourse to kicking a full grown cat? We are not talking about a game here where the guy forces a large number of women into sex. This game would of focused on the women who want sex as much as the guy, but the guy would actually have to work for it instead of getting sex easily just because he's the main character. So even though the end game is essentially a sexy image or 2, you cannot get there unless the player actually worked for it. The way people are arguing against this game sounds like Fox vs "Sexbox" again. Where the news team believed how easy it was to get to that point of showing sex in a game, when it wasn't....not even close.Sovereignty said:
Oh hey, Killing Floor (favorite game of mine), you aren't just gore porn disguised as a game right? Have anyone of us actually played a demo of said game to find out whether it is good or not? No. Why? Because the very project that asks the fans/members if said game was any good was pulled before said fans/members could say if the game was good or bad. See how that situation is kind of odd? I would rather have the game pulled because the people that played the game found nothing interesting in it at all, than it being pulled by Steam themselves because it goes against how society sees sex right now.RaNDM G said:
Heaven forbid a sex game can exist, but a violent one like Killing Floor cannot.
For the whole sex/violence argument thing this thread revolves around, I ask this:
What is the definition of pornography? I'd really like to know this. Not just people's conception of it, but the legal definition as well. As I said in the other thread related to this one, if you're going by the US definition of it...well then...
What is the definition of pornography? I'd really like to know this. Not just people's conception of it, but the legal definition as well. As I said in the other thread related to this one, if you're going by the US definition of it...well then...
Or maybe not, depending on the type of person you are
And how many games fit under that definition? Here's a hint: A goddamned lot.
And how many games fit under that definition? Here's a hint: A goddamned lot.
Did the Escapist use an image for this article on the front page with nipples showing?
That's bolder than showing organs flying in every direction, apparently.
That's bolder than showing organs flying in every direction, apparently.
I think a video game that presents women as a series of puzzles that must be unlocked to get pussy, where all interaction exists for the sole purpose of having sex, and where women are depicted only in terms of their attractiveness to men has a serious problem with misogyny and androcentric bullshit. If you treated women in real life like you do in these dating sims, you would be a giant asshole. It's one thing to escape into a fantasy that you will never, ever engage in in real life (like blowing up a city) but it's quite another to make a game that exists to allow an outlet for immature and sleazy male instinct.Iron Lightning said:
Yes, you're right. The whole child thing is a side-issue that I'm trying to get away from.
First of all, I don't enjoy mindlessly violent meathead bullshit like Cod or Gears of War or Mad World or whatever, so I'm not being hypocritical. Video games have a shitty relationship with pointless violence, yes, but that doesn't mean that the correct response is "Man, let's get some pointless sex in here too!"
Because he made an absurd statement about it that I simply corrected. But yeah, I can find some studies that corroborate my point and I'll post them. Give me a sec.
Seems strange to me. Its odd in a way too, for while its laced in American culture, such culture is not a static thing, and can change and adjust as time passes. It very weird that on one hand, we fight for gay rights etc in the real world, yet stuff like this still goes on.
Art reflects life, and its bs politics.
If games can't overcome the sex hurdle, its lost and by default promotes other media that are more accepting and do it better. See that 50 Shades of Grey, that's selling like hot cakes? If games can't do that, we've no right to call games art either, as no subject should be unapproachable. Erase that thought from mind, quickly.
No Reply's game doesn't appeal to me personally, but there may be an audience out there for their game, without Steam, that may never be possible. Steam is but one port.
A bit of advice for No Reply. Forget about Steam (I love the service, but this stuff is wrong and needs changing), and try the next best thing, which is KickStarter or IndieGoGo. There hopefully, you can build an audience without such bs in the way. Just makes sure you rate it as adult.
Art reflects life, and its bs politics.
If games can't overcome the sex hurdle, its lost and by default promotes other media that are more accepting and do it better. See that 50 Shades of Grey, that's selling like hot cakes? If games can't do that, we've no right to call games art either, as no subject should be unapproachable. Erase that thought from mind, quickly.
No Reply's game doesn't appeal to me personally, but there may be an audience out there for their game, without Steam, that may never be possible. Steam is but one port.
A bit of advice for No Reply. Forget about Steam (I love the service, but this stuff is wrong and needs changing), and try the next best thing, which is KickStarter or IndieGoGo. There hopefully, you can build an audience without such bs in the way. Just makes sure you rate it as adult.
if the game meets the criteria for being a porno, than dont expect to be on the front shelf in a store you dumbass.
Doesn't make it good, but it at least exposes the blatant hypocrisy of banning sex in some areas and embracing it in others.Bindal said:
Valve is wrong here. I know it's their choice to offer what they want, but they're perpetuating a wrong viewpoint here. The idea that sex is taboo while all the violence in the world is perfectly okay needs to change in this country. And we need companies like Valve to be the ones to help that change along.
I'm not happy about the content of the game but watching the video I find it a real goddamn shame that the cel shaded backgrounds, which are gorgeous, have been used for this tripe...
I'm not against sex in video games per se I just find dating sims solely for male players kind of sexist and exclusionary, especially if they don't really treat the female characters with respect and encourage philandering. Now, that's my personal viewpoint and I'm not trying to force it on anyone but I think Steam made the right decision here, there are better and more respectful ways to portray romance and sex in games than this. Not to mention that it is openly porn and goes against the TOS...
I'm not against sex in video games per se I just find dating sims solely for male players kind of sexist and exclusionary, especially if they don't really treat the female characters with respect and encourage philandering. Now, that's my personal viewpoint and I'm not trying to force it on anyone but I think Steam made the right decision here, there are better and more respectful ways to portray romance and sex in games than this. Not to mention that it is openly porn and goes against the TOS...
lol, people still discussing and flaming about a game that nobody will remember a month from now. The evil steam service that provides awesome content to the PC based consumers has denied the "CHANCE" for someone to release their smut game on steam's service.
America is a very big place. We have 50 states that collectively feel different on various hot button topics. Some states view sex differently and are more open to sexual material, others not so much. Valve is a privately owned company that gets to choose what content it sells. After all, it's their necks on the line, not yours. As opinionated you may be, it's not your lively hood that's on the line, it's Valves.
I say get over it. If Miriam Bellard wants her smut games to be published online, there are other digital distributors that might accept her. I remember purchasing Leisure suit Larry via Direct to Drive, which is an American Company. Or maybe Miriam Bellard could do the hard work that Valve has done and create her own digital distribution if she feels
so passionate about her game.
In the end, the company Valve is not owned by Miriam Bellard. If she wants her game
published, she's going to have to do the leg work required, not simply going kicking and
screaming in an attempt to drum up publicity for her smut game.
America is a very big place. We have 50 states that collectively feel different on various hot button topics. Some states view sex differently and are more open to sexual material, others not so much. Valve is a privately owned company that gets to choose what content it sells. After all, it's their necks on the line, not yours. As opinionated you may be, it's not your lively hood that's on the line, it's Valves.
I say get over it. If Miriam Bellard wants her smut games to be published online, there are other digital distributors that might accept her. I remember purchasing Leisure suit Larry via Direct to Drive, which is an American Company. Or maybe Miriam Bellard could do the hard work that Valve has done and create her own digital distribution if she feels
so passionate about her game.
In the end, the company Valve is not owned by Miriam Bellard. If she wants her game
published, she's going to have to do the leg work required, not simply going kicking and
screaming in an attempt to drum up publicity for her smut game.
The version of The Witcher sold on Steam has cards of Geralt's "conquests" that you can collect. Those cards are just as graphic.kiri2tsubasa said:
And I'm pretty sure if Steam sold Indigo Prophecy, no one would bat an eye. That game has a full on explicit sex scene.
Hell, swap this Seduce Me game out with a Leisure Suit Larry title and gamers would NOT be complaining even one quarter as hard.
Game with a sex scene =/= Sex game.AzrealMaximillion said:
Those are still two different things. Indigo Prhophecy (or Fahrenheit, how the rest of the world calls it) is NOT about shagging as many women as possible or getting one in the first place like this game is.
In case of Fahrenheit and Witcher, it was a SIDE EVENT. You could reach the end of the game without even having to see a single naked butt!
Now in this game however, you have no choice as the game is simply about that - have a guy screw a chick. That's the goal, hold together by a very simplistic UI and Mini-Games about as complex as Wario Ware Minigames, I assume.
And even in the Leirsue Suit Larry games, sex was not the goal - it was a far bigger thing than Witcher. But it ALSO has A DAMN ENTIRE GAME to back it up. And it didn't took itself serious in any form, either.
So, no matter, how much you want to defend it - "Secude me" is simply porn and all your "Witcher" and "Mass Effect" examples are all GAMES with one or two sex-scenes in it. That's hardly the same.
I will like to disagree with the points you madeBindal said:
1a. They only take out the act of sex not all sex from the game and that is where I disagree with you at. Let me narrow my quote down a little to help show what i disagree with
BTW sorry for messing up the quote I'm new to thisBindal said: