Developer Blames "American Culture" for Greenlight Ban

[Skratt]

We Americans are promiscuous prudes to be sure, but what culture would publish this game for them, hmm? I sense a spurious argument nearby.

 

[Stripes]

The game how no merit aside from soft porn, if it had actual value beyond that then maybe it might have been allowed to stay and maybe people would give a damn.

 

[Bindal]

I sees it this way: Greenlight is a service where games are published on a popular platform based on decisions made by the consumers, in this case the Internet.
Now, think about how much the Internet loves porn. If Valve lets in one porn game more will follow, and come Saturday, Steam will be a porn distribution service.

That may be a slight exaggeration, but you get the point.

So what you're saying is that Greenlight should not be a service where consumers get to decide on a preferred games presented by various developers, but rather a service where consumers choose from a screened selection of games?

If "within a set amount of rules" equals "screened" for you, then yes. Otherwise, no - just "within a set amount of rules". Like in this case "NO PORN".

 

[PinkiePyro]

this gets banned but not the countless copy-paste dating sims that the user winterwolves posted or any of the eyebleeding games that would be consitered crappy even by newgrounds standards *headdesk*

 

[Bindal]

this gets banned but not the countless copy-paste dating sims that the user winterwolves posted or any of the eyebleeding games that would be consitered crappy even by newgrounds standards *headdesk*

Well, quality is not part of reasons for a ban. Only what the game is about. Two different things. Logical, obvious, understandable - but clearly not a reason to headdesk.

 

[Irridium]

So we can have games where you can literally tear a man in half (hello, Darkness 2), but we can't have a game where two consenting adults have sex?

I mean, we have craploads of games where women wear nothing but small straps of clothes/armor (hello Tera, and most other RPG's) that essentially leave their asses hanging out for everyone to see, but immediately take those off and suddenly it's too much? Really?

Lol, society.

And now I link to Jim Sterling, because he pretty much hits the nail on the head for me. http://www.destructoid.com/a-game-about-sex-ban-this-sick-filth--234650.phtml

 

[RandV80]

From a technical point this kind of make sense for Valve. I guess the real question is if you're making a 'sex game', are you making a 'game' or are you making 'sex'. While the old point about movies how it's sill that violence = okay, sex = bad, with a video game violence is derived through action and a game is a combination of action and story. That doesn't mean you couldn't make a legit 'sex game', but what this title in question looks like is a collection of cheap mini games that ends with a sex scene.

Now back to the point I'm getting at, the Steam Greenlight program lets the community vote on which games Steam adds to its service. Users will log in and browse over a number of obscure indy games they've probably never heard of, then look... BOOBS!!! As everyone knows sex sells, is there any doubt that this game wouldn't totally win the first vote? And considering the real money to be made, from there it won't be long until the Greenlight program is overrun with sex games and turns into a bit of a joke.

So basically, while I agree with the premise that it's stupid where we say violence is okay but sex is bad there is a clear distinction between being a video game and a porn distributor. Different types of entertainment, and I have no problem if Steam wants to stick to video games and not get into porn. I totally don't know who the big porn players are these days, but whoever they are if there's a market for these types of games they're the ones that should be looking at how to distribute/sell them.

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

So we can have games where you can literally tear a man in half (hello, Darkness 2), but we can't have a game where two consenting adults have sex?

Your cavalier attitude towards the idea that so-called 'consenting adults' would willingly performing such a degrading and morally corrupt act such as sexual intercourse fills me with rage and disgust... and raging disgust. My good lady wife and I have never had sex, and god willing, neither will our two beautiful children when they too become adults.

 

[Something Amyss]

You're just someone else who fails to get the distinction between 'A game with a sex scene in it' and 'a sex scene with some extraneous gaming elements'.

So...When do we start banning FPS games that are "violence porn with some extraneous gaming elements?"

 

[PoweD]

So we can have games where you can literally tear a man in half (hello, Darkness 2), but we can't have a game where two consenting adults have sex?

Your cavalier attitude towards the idea that so-called 'consenting adults' would willingly performing such a degrading and morally corrupt act such as sexual intercourse fills me with rage and disgust... and raging disgust. My good lady wife and I have never had sex, and god willing, neither will our two beautiful children when they too become adults.

But how, what, umm...

Brain Implode

 

[TJM8]

we dont want your crappy interactive erotic novel on steam

 

[RoyalWelsh]

Ugh, sex is absolutely disgusting, Valve had every right to stop this awful game from getting on Steam. The whole act of sex just makes me want to puke.

Now let's please forget about all this downright disgusting talk of sex and boobies and go play some extremely violent and brutal videogames. I think i'll play some Madworld tonight. God I love blood and slaughter in videogames, I really do.

 

[rwllay]

another victory for pointless censorship, the only reason to "not sell" product x is because it's not very good. "because it contains something that might offend someone somewhere" is without question the rationale of a moron, maybe if instead of pandering to idiocy and prudishness some kind of age verification system was implemented (not fool proof, but seems adequate enough for every other adult material) the problem could be solved.

related side note; Perhaps if we focused more on quality control then censorship then we wouldnt have anywhere near the level of crap (across all mediums) that we have now

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

Bellard blames what she describes as an "American culture" problem for the takedown, saying that Valve is playing it safe by adhering to prudish American values when it comes to sex and violence.

Seriously though, who wants to play such a boring game as this one?

 

[CapitalistPig]

hang on...........let me put on my derp face.

ok. DUH!!!!

Americans are prudes? Have you not seen how disgusting mtv is? true we don't have nude beaches and red light districts but in my opinion there's pretty valid health reasons for that. enough of that I just had take a shot back for that ever so stereotypical remark where when something doesn't happen in the U.S the way "you" want it to its time to throw on a diaper and QQ about how lame American's are. people are people wherever you go.

anyway, steam kicks out a racey game and its a shock? Gamers are pretty aware of what doesn't get allowed in Australia right? Or how South Korea (did? I didn't follow up the outcome) tried to shut down xbox live after 12 pm on school nights? ok so no sexy boom boom time allowed on steam isn't that what the internet is for? (prepare the sarcasm) I know, its so weird that companies want to protect their "reputation" and "public image." What prudes.

EDIT:
Not to mention, even if steam didn't give a damn. It's probably still a really crappy game that people would be ashamed to even be associated with.

 

[duchaked]

they'd probably get away with it if there was more to the game part of the whole game thing? lol

 

[Negatempest]

So much potential completely missed because we jump to conclusions long before the game actually comes out.

The game is directed/created by a woman. Has anyone here actually EVER read a romance book written by women? They are racy, sure. But they have great tension, atmosphere, and character interaction that builds up to the moment of sexual intercourse. It makes the moments very erotic before any nudity is actually described. That writing in a erotic game that they plan to release on Steam itself already tells me there is a chance they were taking the game seriously. I would of LOVED to play such a game.

Did anyone here actually get to play a demo of the game? At all? To say that the game sucked because you played it? None that I can tell from the forum. So, a huge amount of people are judging a game from a minute and half video. Sure, cause all of us can tell how well a game is going to turn out from snippets of an entire game. -_-

Will I buy the game? Yes. The sex scenes will be a factor, but most importantly. If the game turns out to be well written like I expect from a romance novel written by women, than it will be worth a purchase.

 

[Dalisclock]

I'm going to be blunt.

Sorry Steam won't pick up your porn game.

On the bright side,

You have Porn and this is the internet. Do the math.

 

[likalaruku]

I call BS on her claim; I have yet to meet a male American gamer who doesn't play at least 1 Japanese sim date every year.

 

[Do4600]

There are over 5000 games on steam and not one of them is rated AO, did they think this was a fluke?