Diablo III's Auction House

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Donnyp said:
I actually got to the point in D2 that i entered a game and people knew who i was...I stopped playing lol. I played and got extremely good at D2. I enjoyed the multiplayer. I barely ever ran into someone who was able to slaughter me with ease. But when you have an Auction house it is only a matter of time till they start releasing "Buy only Items" that no one is willing to trade. I love playing online in games like this. And they are ruining it. I enjoy doing PVP and co-op but with this system they will ruin it. Not to mention the always online thing. I may love Multiplayer on games like this but i also enjoy single player away from the internet.
If that truely becomes the case, then all you have to do is MF till you find something of equal value and stick it on the RMT AH until it sells. You get 5 free listings a week .. so if you're patient you can eventually get it to sell .. you can then spend that money from your "b.net bank" on other items on the RMT AH. So its a tad harder .. but those RMT-only items are certainly not out of reach to normal players.
 

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fundayz said:
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It listed an item in the AH for 5$.
Now, for example we say that the Listing and sales fees are 1$ purely for easy maths. the cashout fee was not defined from memory, but logically it would be a percentage, lets call it 10% for easy maths.

RMTer lists his +1 sword of n00bslaying for 5$.
This means that his profit if it sold would be 3.60$ (listing is refunded on the sale, sale fee is 1$, and seeing as its an RMTer, he would cash out and have the cashout fee.)

I come along with the same item and want to sell it.
I can list it like this: No listing fee (Because I would have a few free listings /week, something RMTers would blow within minutes)
So I can list it without worrying it wont sell. Add the 1$ sale fee.
Then count the fact I would probably use the winnings on something like WoW time, so I don't cashout, no fee.
Letting me list the same item at 4.60 - well under the RMTer, and still make the same profit, 3.60$
Better yet, I only undercut him by 10 cents and make more than he will?

As for your argument of cheap, common items? That's what the gold AH is for.
First of all, you don't get a number of free listings per week, you get a number of free listings per account. http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/714985/diablo-3-auction-house-faq-and-information/

Secondly, you have never player a game with hardcore RMT have you?

Chinese gold farmers won't post it at $5 dollars, they'll post it at $3 because they have exploited 3rd world labour, bots, hacked accounts, etc

Finally, you realize that the GAH is just an extension of the RMAH right? Since gold and real money are exchangeable this means that these are just two sides of the same coin. The GAH prices WILL be affected by the RMAH.
And yet my info has said a few per/w. So unless this come out of Blizz's mouth directly, we will have to wait and see.

Secondly, due to the cashout fee, someone listing to cashout will NEVER be able to undercut someone listing without the intention of cashing out, as they will be the ones to list at a loss, however slight.

Thirdly, the only people that are getting pissy about this are the ones that a) don't know better, b) are white knighting on 'how can they do this to us' or c) people who are intending to do the same thing as the RMTers, use D3 for profit and see RMTers as a threat to that.

A) can learn
B) can sit in a corner an boycott
C) are a pack of hypocrites

Where do you fall in this?
 

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fundayz said:
First of all, you don't get a number of free listings per week, you get a number of free listings per account. http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/714985/diablo-3-auction-house-faq-and-information/
Bashiok: The system will allow for a certain number of free listings per week (or something like that) which allows you to post a few things risk free and see if they sell. If they don?t it?s no sweat for you, and maybe you wait until next week to do the same thing again, or maybe that was good enough, you got your feet wet, and you go back to the gold AH.

If you do sell something you can use that to build up your Battle.net balance which can be put toward buying items yourself. If you?re putting up the right items for the right prices you could pretty easily never ?buy in?.
Taken from diii.net - an excerpt from one of Bashiok's official posts on b.net forums.
 

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Azure Sky said:
SNIP
Where do you fall in this?
W/e guy, I've layed out argument after argument based on real world examples, I've provided logical reasoning for all of them and even provided sources for my facts. All your arguments rely on complete assumption ("RMTers won't be able to undercut if they want to cashout and still make money").

You don't seem to understand the potential of RMTers when they are let loose, likely due to lack of experience with them.

P.S. I fall in the group that doesn't want Blizzard to sell power.
 

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DarkTenka said:
So... B then.
Sure, what about you?

And I'm guessing you are okay with Blizzard legitimizing the sale of in-game power for out-of-game resources?
 

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fundayz said:
DarkTenka said:
So... B then.
Sure, what about you?

And I'm guessing you are okay with Blizzard legitimizing the sale of in-game power for out-of-game resources?
He is probably in the same boat I am.
The 'it could work, lets wait and see' one.
 

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fundayz said:
DarkTenka said:
So... B then.
Sure, what about you?

And I'm guessing you are okay with Blizzard legitimizing the sale of in-game power for out-of-game resources?
Sure .. I'll deal with it the same way I did in D2 .. NOT CARE .. lol.

The amount of times I rofl stomped an ith/64 ll ammy zon with nothing but my lowly Dual Claw assassin equipped with 2 Bartucs claws and shaftstop/gaze. If players want to pay for items without playing the game .. they miss out on vital experience. Diablo 2 was very much 50% character building and 50% hand-eye co-ordination .. if a newbie wants to pay for their items to meet half of those requirements, then I can meet them on the other half.

That said .. you can still earn EVERYTHING that is on the either AH in-game .. even if its an experienced player who buys his items for real money .. it makes no difference to me how he got them. As long as I can get them myself in some form or fashion we are still on equal ground as far as I'm concerned.
 

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Azure Sky said:
He is probably in the same boat I am.
The 'it could work, lets wait and see' one.
Even if gold/item farmers suddenly disappeared you would still have players buying in-game power using out of game resources from other players.

So I guess I'll ask you too: Are okay with Blizzard legitimizing the sale of in-game power for out-of-game resources?
 

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fundayz said:
DarkTenka said:
fundayz said:
And I'm guessing you are okay with Blizzard legitimizing the sale of in-game power for out-of-game resources?
Sure
Then there's nothing left to say.
Because there is no possible reason that this is ok?

You remind me of the Australian Christian Lobby .. "I am right, and despite all logic and reason everyone else is wrong" .. lol

Don't take the fun out of a reasonable debate .. its really childish.
 

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fundayz said:
Azure Sky said:
He is probably in the same boat I am.
The 'it could work, lets wait and see' one.
Even if gold/item farmers suddenly disappeared you would still have players buying in-game power using out of game resources from other players.

So I guess I'll ask you too: Are okay with Blizzard legitimizing the sale of in-game power for out-of-game resources?
Here's an idea, and no I'm not being nice either.

Pick up your bat and ball, open another thread about boycotting the game, have a little tea party and moan to other like-minded people.

Those of us that have a higher moral standard than "Omg how can we let them do that to us" don't care. We will make a logical decision weather we are buying the game based on information that arises between now and release, not the rantings of a butt-hurt White-Knight.
 

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Azure Sky said:
So you do think it's okay to sell in-game power for out-of-game resources? You didn't answer the question...

DarkTenka said:
fundayz said:
DarkTenka said:
fundayz said:
And I'm guessing you are okay with Blizzard legitimizing the sale of in-game power for out-of-game resources?
Sure
Then there's nothing left to say.
Because there is no possible reason that this is ok?

You remind me of the Australian Christian Lobby .. "I am right, and despite all logic and reason everyone else is wrong" .. lol

Don't take the fun out of a reasonable debate .. its really childish.
Now you are just trolling. I never said that it wasn't okay. There is nothing left to say because we have fundamentally different beliefs and neither is going to change their mind.
 

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fundayz said:
Now you are just trolling. I never said that it wasn't okay. There is nothing left to say because we have fundamentally different beliefs and neither is going to change their mind.
You trolled me when you implied that there was no reason to continue talking based on ONE word from my post where I actually went at length to explain my reasoning.

..

Care to explain YOUR beliefs then?
 

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Azure Sky said:
fundayz said:
Azure Sky said:
So you do think it's okay to sell in-game power for out-of-game resources? You didn't answer the question...
And you expect me to waste my time with a long detailed answer for you?
I forgot that yes or no questions require such long detailed answers...

It sounds a lot like you don't want to answer the question.
 

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fundayz said:
Azure Sky said:
fundayz said:
Azure Sky said:
So you do think it's okay to sell in-game power for out-of-game resources? You didn't answer the question...
And you expect me to waste my time with a long detailed answer for you?
I forgot that yes or no questions require such long detailed answers...

It sounds a lot like you don't want to answer the question.
Validate my reasoning more, go on.
 

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fundayz said:
That's your own assumption, and I have made my beliefs clear enough.
Then why are you here? .. to spread your belief? or have a discussion?

Because I garantee .. no one here is interested in your "beliefs" .. we are however ready for a discussion.