I read the first book because my mother got it for me one Thanksgiving. Honestly, I felt it was a good story, but could have been a novel series on the level of Temeraire or Jack Reacher if Stephanie Myers' writing had been about 1200% better. Girl winds up in new town, meets vampire boy, falls in love, needs to be saved from Oogly-Boogley Horror Bits. There's no reason why this couldn't have worked and made a really good novel, like when Christopher Moore took up vampires and did Bloodsucking Fiends. But Myers cannot write anything other than angsty teenage romance with so much angsty romance it puts most yaoi fanfiction to shame. That's just my take,though.
Did Twilight really suck that much?
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If it were just a cheesy, poorly written romance, I would just ignore like I do other such books. But it's the fact that people think it's SO GOOD, that irritates me. Also, the message it gives a generation of young girls:
1) Stalking equals love.
2) Being a strong, independent woman can only lead to sadness and misery.
3) The only way to be happy is by submitting yourself to a dominant, controlling man through the context of traditional christian marriage.
And when you realize that Stefanie Meyer is Mormon, and that she says "My religion greatly influenced my books", she's being serious.
To sum up, poorly written, terrible messages to give impressionable girls.
1) Stalking equals love.
2) Being a strong, independent woman can only lead to sadness and misery.
3) The only way to be happy is by submitting yourself to a dominant, controlling man through the context of traditional christian marriage.
And when you realize that Stefanie Meyer is Mormon, and that she says "My religion greatly influenced my books", she's being serious.
To sum up, poorly written, terrible messages to give impressionable girls.
I recommend Mark Reads Twilight, a page-by-page blog analysis of why it's so awful. Also hilarious. Granted, it's aimed at young girls not guys, but having read a number of books derogatively titled 'chick lit' I can say with confidence they are all superior to Twilight. Just because your audience is female and young doesn't mean you have to dumb your book down or make them about nothing but sex and relationships.
Which leads into the point several other have already brought up- it is the author's innermost sexual fantasies in written format, an erotic romance marketed to teen girls to promote the author's religion and enforce stereotypes about young women that many people have fought for decades to throw off. If I ever had the gall to do that I'm sure it would sell horribly, but I promise it would at least be better written than Twilight.
Which leads into the point several other have already brought up- it is the author's innermost sexual fantasies in written format, an erotic romance marketed to teen girls to promote the author's religion and enforce stereotypes about young women that many people have fought for decades to throw off. If I ever had the gall to do that I'm sure it would sell horribly, but I promise it would at least be better written than Twilight.
Okay this is a bit off topic but people saying Vampires do not sparkle is a stupid argument. Vampires do not exist, someone made it up to begin with and made up all there rules and what not. So what's wrong with Meyer making up her own rules and applying them in her story, If anything its original. Granted the execution was poor but at least it shows a bit of originality on her part.
OT- Im not a fan of the Twilight series but i can see that objectively its not terrible. Its like Justin Bieber it appeals to its target audience and if you don't like it just don't watch it. Ive never understood peoples hatred for it. If it doesn't appeal to you just steer clear of it.
OT- Im not a fan of the Twilight series but i can see that objectively its not terrible. Its like Justin Bieber it appeals to its target audience and if you don't like it just don't watch it. Ive never understood peoples hatred for it. If it doesn't appeal to you just steer clear of it.
Actually, one of my favorite things in the first movie is the first time you see Edward sparkle. Bella is like "You're so hot!", Edward is like "THIS IS THE LOOK OF A KILLER!" and I'm just like "Aww... you're pretty..."Wait...What said:
I've seen all the movies released to date. It's bad, but I find it thoroughly entertaining. But, really, I'd still say it's better than the majority of movies out there. I'll take a goofy vampire love story over most of the ever-expanding catalogue of bro/stoner comedies, or another goddamn poorly executed super hero movie any day.
its just bad, its fans are the most violent people in the world, it throws out everything about vampires we all knew(it reminds me of that simpsons episode "that 90's show"). its ruined modern media to the point where if it dosent include vampires in love, its automatically bad. yeah someone can come up with the most original idea ever and itll be shot down because it dosent have vampires in love. hell even magic is getting affected, every set since the twilight craze includes vampires in it, and before that there was only like 10 vampires, i know the bloodsuckers needed love, but enough is enough guys
It's the hideously written piece of tosh I've ever laid eyes on. I've read better fan fiction.retyopy said:
Before Twilight, I'd never NOT finished a book, no matter how dull. I made it through Wuthering Heights, goddamn it!
Twilight though? It killed my curiosity. I put it down and have never had any desire to pick it back up. It is a terrible, terrible book.
It has terrible characters (clumsiness doesn't make a character you god damned Mary Sue!)
No character development
Real people view the characters as role models even though they're horrible, nihilistic, weak individuals who for some reason find a life of perpetual High School NOT to be a living hell
The plot is idiotic
The most relatable character in the book (Jacob) gets a character assassination when he author realises he's more interesting and more like real person than the vampire
I could go on but I think you get the picture.
No character development
Real people view the characters as role models even though they're horrible, nihilistic, weak individuals who for some reason find a life of perpetual High School NOT to be a living hell
The plot is idiotic
The most relatable character in the book (Jacob) gets a character assassination when he author realises he's more interesting and more like real person than the vampire
I could go on but I think you get the picture.
I dislike anything that is mediocre and gets famous. I'm a metal head, its a pre-requisite to hate all things popular and in fashion. Now I'm off to read J.R. TOLKIEN... a REAL writer... oh hey I have not read Dracula or the Howling in a while... REAL monster books.
As far as the book is concerned, I put it on the same level as fanfiction. Fun to read, fun to write but in the end let's not take it serious, alright? Seriously though, that's what I think of Twilight. Fanfiction. Plotless, mary and gary sue, happily ever after with unicorns farting rainbows and sunshine. I may not like it, but someone does. Who am I to judge?
Should it have gotten the praise and glory? Personally, I think no but it's too late now.
Should it have gotten turned into a movie? Again no, but every generation has it's fads. They'll get over it.
Are people taking this waaay to seriously? Yes. Not just the antis, but the fans. If they Twihard attack reports are true, then some people need to seek medical attention. At the end of the day it's a book, nothing more.
Honestly, this book/movie came out at the perfect time. Harry Potter was coming to an end, so Hollywood or whatever industry that controls what's popular needed something new. Something to catch the attention of this generation. And who are the easiest targets? 10-16 yr.old girls.
Young girls + Hot guys + Dangerous under tones = $$$
I for one will give high fives to the person who decided to make this popular. Genius really.
Should it have gotten the praise and glory? Personally, I think no but it's too late now.
Should it have gotten turned into a movie? Again no, but every generation has it's fads. They'll get over it.
Are people taking this waaay to seriously? Yes. Not just the antis, but the fans. If they Twihard attack reports are true, then some people need to seek medical attention. At the end of the day it's a book, nothing more.
Honestly, this book/movie came out at the perfect time. Harry Potter was coming to an end, so Hollywood or whatever industry that controls what's popular needed something new. Something to catch the attention of this generation. And who are the easiest targets? 10-16 yr.old girls.
Young girls + Hot guys + Dangerous under tones = $$$
I for one will give high fives to the person who decided to make this popular. Genius really.
You know what? Our romance book industry needs to cool off from the vampires.Laggyteabag said:
And start writing some stories about some sexy fairyboys. Oh yes.
in a sense, yes.retyopy said:
it did something to people. suddenly even the most sensible person you knew became fucking obsessed with it, freaking out at people who would even simply say they didn't like it.
I've heard stories, man... also, Twilight Moms. google it.
She can make up her own rules when she creates her own monsters. Vampires have had the same traits ever since Stoker first made people all over Europe shit their pants in terror. Those traits have stuck for so long, because those traits work.Wait...What said:
Suddenly some Mormon housewife rocks up and says "oh by the way vampire fans, sunlight doesn't kill them any more, it just makes them sparkle like glitter." sorry, but no. I don't buy that and nobody else should either. The fact that the sinister and kinda terrifying figure of Count Dracula has been reduced to sparkling in sunlight and angsting over a totally unremarkable teenage attention whore just pisses me off.
I'd be able to tolerate it if the story was at least good, but it's just horrible, boring, bland and badly-written. It's like Meyer just thought to herself "I need to write this bland story, but nobody will buy it. I know, I'll add vampires and werewolves to it! And make the vampires have no weaknesses! Brilliant! Pass the cocaine please!"
I'm insulted that you assume people only hate both those things because they're popular; I hate Twilight because it's sh*t, and I hate MW2 because it copies COD4 and yet how some how makes itself terribly dismal and repetitive.retyopy said: