I know this has been done to death by now but is it a movie that would somehow gain some "entertainment" value if everyone watching were drunk/high? Or is it still unsalvageable even if watched as a terrible movie purly to mock it?
I've heard that only makes it worse, due to the unsettling nature of the cgi cat people and senseless nothing story, might as well be ordering a bad trip. Alcohol and/or morphine might numb the inherent fear at least, but only as a desperate coping mechanism. Haven't seen it myself though, it's just not something that looks tolerable.
It. was. boring. With Time warfare, it was still so boring. Everyone was joyless. Everyone was monotone. No one was ever affected by "Time is going wonky".
Seriously, the scene where the Protagonist (that's actually what he's referred to in the movie, no name) is explained that Time might be crumbling into itself, he just acts like "Oh. That's a thing. Show me how to manipulate time now, please."
I just didn't care. Because the characters didn't seem like they cared. Emoting happened maybe for a grand total of... possibly 10 minutes of the two hour and thirty minute run time.
I remember scenes the same way I remember passages in a Dictionary. Just as info dumps.
The fight scenes were pretty well done. John David Washington has the ability to be the new upcoming Action Star. But this wasn't his vehicle.
I know this has been done to death by now but is it a movie that would somehow gain some "entertainment" value if everyone watching were drunk/high? Or is it still unsalvageable even if watched as a terrible movie purly to mock it?
Just saw Wonder Woman, and as someone who thought the first one was dogshit, this one was WAY worse. Where to start?
Chris Pine is wasted, Pedro Pascal is wasted, the plot is incomprehensible and childish, the scenes seem to be out of order, Kristen Wiig is wasted and the Cheetah CGI is terrible, and Gal Gadot still couldn't out act William Shatner. I can't believe they released a movie this bad. Its every bit as horrible as the Harley Quinn movie. Every scene has a different tone, the plot comes and goes as it pleases, plot points don't carry over. There's a magic rock that grants wishes and sometimes you have to be holding the rock, sometimes you have to say the wish out loud, sometimes the wish only comes half true, and other times it works flawlessly, all depending on what the plot needs to have happen. It really is a plot device generator, almost literally, like something out of Futurama.
Also the movie is really pro-rape. Like Cheetah's big moment when she turns evil and realizes she's corrupt with power is when she beats up a sexual predator. And the love scenes between Wonder woman and Steve raise a lot of consent questions.
And to cap it all off it ends the same way it begins. They all but pull the "It was all a dream" card, just so the Justice League line that WW hasn't done anything since WW1 can stay true, which is odd because I read the Justice League movie is considered non-canon now.
The whole movie just has this cheap, 80s feel. And I know you're gonna say "Oh that's what its supposed to have, its set in the 80s" but no it feels like a movie from the 80s, like Flash Gordon or Masters of the Universe. Just a low budget live action adaptation of a kids comic. You can practically see the strings on the actors when they're flying around.
I've heard that only makes it worse, due to the unsettling nature of the cgi cat people and senseless nothing story, might as well be ordering a bad trip. Alcohol and/or morphine might numb the inherent fear at least, but only as a desperate coping mechanism. Haven't seen it myself though, it's just not something that looks tolerable.
So what you're saying is that ALW and/or Toby Hooper owe the world an apology?
I haven't seen it. I saw a videotaped version(you know, the offical type one) of the stage show when I was a lot younger and...yeah, I had no urge to see the new version.
Earth has been rendered uninhabitable in 2049 (hahahahaha) so a scientist races to an Arctic station to warn a returning spaceship to go back and colonize a moon off Jupiter. The movie cuts back and forth between the scientist (Clooney), who is also in charge of an orphaned little girl, and the space crew. While Clooney has a nice avuncular Logan/TLoU chemistry with the little girl, the space half of the movie is a snore. Other than an overdrawn set-piece with a meteor shower (which plays like *insert problem here*) nothing really happens and ultimately there's nothing at stake. Even if Clooney doesn't make it in time to warn them, so fucking what? All they have to do is look at Earth to know they shouldn't park there.
So the whole thing feels like a big non-event. The space half is super boring and tedious but there's no real urgency on either side of the plot anyway. Pointless sacrifices are made, relationships are created out of thin air to give dramatic weight to scenes that are immediately subsequent, suspense of disbelief is stretched even for science fiction (nobody that isn't a polar bear would survive a swim in Arctic water at night in the middle of a blizzard) and there's a horrible cringey sing along to Neil Young's Sweet Caroline as the most unprofessional space crew performs a critical space walk. People die minutes later.
Everything boils down to a hackneyed melodramatic reveal that even if you don't see coming from a mile away just rings hollow.
I know this has been done to death by now but is it a movie that would somehow gain some "entertainment" value if everyone watching were drunk/high? Or is it still unsalvageable even if watched as a terrible movie purly to mock it?
I think what's amazing about is that beyond the obvious question of why the fuck you would adapt Cats, a plotless dance-centric musical that is honestly kind of weird, for film, it also manages to be terrible both as an adaptation and in its own right.
I mean, realistically this film exists so Jennifer Hudson could get (what seemed like) an easy Oscar for singing Memory, but even that is botched because they make her sob-sing the whole song. Because apparently Tom Hooper either doesn't understand or doesn't trust the audience to understand basic musical language (like that a character singing a sad song is sad).
So it's just a bizarre mix of stuff from cats that was already weird and bad, stuff from cats that is so mishandled that it becomes weird and bad, and stuff made up for the film that almost universally makes things weirder and badder.
Such an odd movie. It's like every scene was directed by a different person as the tone swings wildly from scene to scene. It's even the simple stuff that feels so off like Diana says she doesn't have a TV yet she has a room with like 20 of them; I guess it's just there so a character can make a joke about how he can get her a "massive" 19" TV with no strings attached because, you know, it's the 80s, isn't that funny. And, then to the really big stuff like how Chris Pine's character comes back (which is really very weird); Diana should not be on board with that at all. There's absolutely no internal logic in play at all with regards to the movie's magical mcguffin. The ending scene is so poorly acted by Gal Gadot, she rolled on a 1 on that performance check.
Also if you were looking for the movie to comment on the last film like how Diana was done with helping humanity at the end and wondering what would bring her back, it's not in this movie at all. The movie starts off with a light and fun superhero foiling a robbery scene. But then the people don't know who she is so is this Diana's 1st time back as Wonder Woman. If it is, why'd she come back for this small time robbery; if she's been back for awhile, why don't people know it's Wonder Woman (like everyone knows Superman).
Just saw Wonder Woman, and as someone who thought the first one was dogshit, this one was WAY worse. Where to start?
Chris Pine is wasted, Pedro Pascal is wasted, the plot is incomprehensible and childish, the scenes seem to be out of order, Kristen Wiig is wasted and the Cheetah CGI is terrible, and Gal Gadot still couldn't out act William Shatner. I can't believe they released a movie this bad. Its every bit as horrible as the Harley Quinn movie. Every scene has a different tone, the plot comes and goes as it pleases, plot points don't carry over. There's a magic rock that grants wishes and sometimes you have to be holding the rock, sometimes you have to say the wish out loud, sometimes the wish only comes half true, and other times it works flawlessly, all depending on what the plot needs to have happen. It really is a plot device generator, almost literally, like something out of Futurama.
Also the movie is really pro-rape. Like Cheetah's big moment when she turns evil and realizes she's corrupt with power is when she beats up a sexual predator. And the love scenes between Wonder woman and Steve raise a lot of consent questions.
And to cap it all off it ends the same way it begins. They all but pull the "It was all a dream" card, just so the Justice League line that WW hasn't done anything since WW1 can stay true, which is odd because I read the Justice League movie is considered non-canon now.
The whole movie just has this cheap, 80s feel. And I know you're gonna say "Oh that's what its supposed to have, its set in the 80s" but no it feels like a movie from the 80s, like Flash Gordon or Masters of the Universe. Just a low budget live action adaptation of a kids comic. You can practically see the strings on the actors when they're flying around.
Couldn't agree more, this movie was so weird in the "how could anyone put together a string of scenes like this" sorta way. Harley Quinn was far more sensical than whatever WW1984 is, it moved from scene to scene without me asking major question to the Hows and Whys. I kinda thought I might be overaly cynical on the movie as it is just wanting to be a light and fun affair and maybe I'm just being a scrooge or something, but then I watched Chris Stuckmann's review and he pretty much said all the things I was thinking when I watched the movie.
Spoilers below...
There was so much stuff that didn't make sense whatsoever in this movie. I'll handwave the magical stuff interacting with technology like wouldn't radar detect an optically invisible plane or even the whole villain's / 80's Trump "touching" people through TV. However, it breaks whatever it does indeed setup as logic all the time. Why didn't kid's wish for dad to be there bring 80's Trump to him? Why were people only allowed one wish but then allowed more wishes (Cheetah)? Why does Chris Pine have to come back in the body of some random dude when it's fucking magic? The fact that Chris Pine is in some other dude's body the whole time is really weird and uncomfortable, why couldn't they just bring him back normally? Why can people still see 80's Trump when the camera is gone? Did someone wish for him always be on TV? Why can Diana communicate with everyone and give the most uninspirational speech ever? Why does 80's Trump get damaged by giving wishes but then gets healed from wishes later on? Also, why are you going to make 80's Trump a villain if you're not going to do any commentary on it, just for a few cheap shots at Trump I guess. The fact that you have to give up what you value most to get your wish and Diana losing her powers (like ever-so-slightly) means her powers are what she values most is pretty damning against her character and what she is supposed to stand for if her powers mean the most to her.
I think the part I realized the movie was really hacked together and had tonal problems was when Wiig beats up the one dude, and its framed as if she's in the wrong. Like the dude has been sexual harassing her, and her wish was to be more like Wonder Woman, so she finally stands up for herself and beats him up. But then the homeless guy she's been nice to is all like "what are you doing?!" and then she's all "Well guess I'm a bad guy now". Like she doesn't lash out and kill the homeless guy accidently, and I don't even think she kills the other dude. Just a woman stands up for herself and fights off a creep, thus she's a villain now. It was an incredibly weird statement from what's supposed to be a female empowerment movie/character. I did like that Cheetah basically gets her powers from Wonder Woman, but they don't really do anything with it. Like the wise takes what you love the most, and the implication is Wiig loses her sense of kindness and generosity, but that only comes off as she's cocky and changes her outfit. Like maybe she starts taking things way too personally, and becomes vindictive and petty. Someone bumps into her at the subway and she like decks them, and then her coffee order is wrong so she burns down the store, and she finds some woman who used to bully her in middle school and kills her dog. Make her more of a villain and less of a justifiably angry woman.
And like you said WW greatest love is her powers? Its not like her love for humanity, or commitment to justice and fairness or to protecting the weak and defenseless, or even getting into Steve's pants again. No, its her literal super powers.
So apparently Wonder Woman 1984 was riding high at a 90% on Rotten Tomatoes before the movie actually released. It has since then lost its Certified Fresh rating and is currently sitting at a 65%.
I'm not the tinfoil hat type, but considering how crazy bad this movie was, and how Rotten Tomatoes is (was?) owned by WB, you can't help but be suspicious.
If we were to say "no", how do you know you're not hallucinating that?
Anyhoo, at some point I'll be moving on to the originals and we shall discover if Greedo shot first, and after that the last trilogy in which we have a black stormtrooper and Rey might be a Mary Sue.
In the meantime, Hellboy, Hellboy 2 and the reboot of Hellboy. There's a bit of a jump in tone between 1 and 2, the first being all Lovecraft-lite and most creatures except Abe and Liz were part of the Nazi Thule thingy, and the second a lot more light hearted with lots of weird creatures from all over. Some of the "funny" bits in the second revolve around US agents attacking innocent people. A shopkeeper vocally says he won't talk, so Hellboy hits him until he does. A troll woman won't help them open a door, Hellboy hits her and they open it without her. Theses aren't criminals, they just don't want to help the authorities investigate someone else's crimes. But Hellboy is basically a supernatural cop and those people don't count as people, so...
The next Hellboy is a reboot so there's an even bigger jump in tone, all swearing and OtT gore and too much stuff. All 3 films are still decent, though.
Such an odd movie. It's like every scene was directed by a different person as the tone swings wildly from scene to scene. It's even the simple stuff that feels so off like Diana says she doesn't have a TV yet she has a room with like 20 of them; I guess it's just there so a character can make a joke about how he can get her a "massive" 19" TV with no strings attached because, you know, it's the 80s, isn't that funny. And, then to the really big stuff like how Chris Pine's character comes back (which is really very weird); Diana should not be on board with that at all. There's absolutely no internal logic in play at all with regards to the movie's magical mcguffin. The ending scene is so poorly acted by Gal Gadot, she rolled on a 1 on that performance check.
Also if you were looking for the movie to comment on the last film like how Diana was done with helping humanity at the end and wondering what would bring her back, it's not in this movie at all. The movie starts off with a light and fun superhero foiling a robbery scene. But then the people don't know who she is so is this Diana's 1st time back as Wonder Woman. If it is, why'd she come back for this small time robbery; if she's been back for awhile, why don't people know it's Wonder Woman (like everyone knows Superman).
Couldn't agree more, this movie was so weird in the "how could anyone put together a string of scenes like this" sorta way. Harley Quinn was far more sensical than whatever WW1984 is, it moved from scene to scene without me asking major question to the Hows and Whys. I kinda thought I might be overaly cynical on the movie as it is just wanting to be a light and fun affair and maybe I'm just being a scrooge or something, but then I watched Chris Stuckmann's review and he pretty much said all the things I was thinking when I watched the movie.
Spoilers below...
There was so much stuff that didn't make sense whatsoever in this movie. I'll handwave the magical stuff interacting with technology like wouldn't radar detect an optically invisible plane or even the whole villain's / 80's Trump "touching" people through TV. However, it breaks whatever it does indeed setup as logic all the time. Why didn't kid's wish for dad to be there bring 80's Trump to him? Why were people only allowed one wish but then allowed more wishes (Cheetah)? Why does Chris Pine have to come back in the body of some random dude when it's fucking magic? The fact that Chris Pine is in some other dude's body the whole time is really weird and uncomfortable, why couldn't they just bring him back normally? Why can people still see 80's Trump when the camera is gone? Did someone wish for him always be on TV? Why can Diana communicate with everyone and give the most uninspirational speech ever? Why does 80's Trump get damaged by giving wishes but then gets healed from wishes later on? Also, why are you going to make 80's Trump a villain if you're not going to do any commentary on it, just for a few cheap shots at Trump I guess. The fact that you have to give up what you value most to get your wish and Diana losing her powers (like ever-so-slightly) means her powers are what she values most is pretty damning against her character and what she is supposed to stand for if her powers mean the most to her.
The last thing the DCEU needs is to put a director in charge of the whole thing and not just some dude whose whole job is to tie things together. Or better yet, they should just give up on the EU thing. The two worst DCEU movies happened to be the only ones where the shared universe actually mattered.
The last thing the DCEU needs is to put a director in charge of the whole thing and not just some dude whose whole job is to tie things together. Or better yet, they should just give up on the EU thing. The two worst DCEU movies happened to be the only ones where the shared universe actually mattered.
Every DCEU movie has tied into the larger universe to at least some extent (haven't seen WW84, so maybe that's changed), so it's a false dichotomy between connectivity and quality.
Gotta say, while there are of course extenuating circumstances, 2020 has been a thoroughly mediocre year for movies for me. Out of the dozen or so movies released I only really liked The Colour out of Space, and even that is only because it has Nic Cage trying his hardest to out-Nic Cage himself.
Every DCEU movie has tied into the larger universe to at least some extent (haven't seen WW84, so maybe that's changed), so it's a false dichotomy between connectivity and quality.
Less about connectivity and quality and more about DC's dumpster fire approach to a shared universe from the very beginning. There's pros and cons to having either standalones or a cinematic universe, but I think we can all agree that DC didn't take a single right step into making the DCEU work. And now that they're stuck with their said dumpster fire, some of their movies afterward are being affected. Such as Wonder Woman 1984, the fact that it's set in the same world as as other DCEU movies makes it an even worse movie.
I think the whole homeless guy thing just shows how messed up the tone is. The fact that the initial scene plays out at night makes that dude look a lot more rape-y than I think they were going for (at least with how the tone of the movie was early on). Then, I think she kicks him a few too many times (or maybe how it's shot or cut or musical cues or whatever). If they made it more light and cartoon-y where she throws him in a bush or pond or something instead of into the street.
So apparently Wonder Woman 1984 was riding high at a 90% on Rotten Tomatoes before the movie actually released. It has since then lost its Certified Fresh rating and is currently sitting at a 65%.
I'm not the tinfoil hat type, but considering how crazy bad this movie was, and how Rotten Tomatoes is (was?) owned by WB, you can't help but be suspicious.
Less about connectivity and quality and more about DC's dumpster fire approach to a shared universe from the very beginning. There's pros and cons to having either standalones or a cinematic universe, but I think we can all agree that DC didn't take a single right step into making the DCEU work. And now that they're stuck with their said dumpster fire, some of their movies afterward are being affected. Such as Wonder Woman 1984, the fact that it's set in the same world as as other DCEU movies makes it an even worse movie.
Wonder Woman 1984 is more affected by the 1st Wonder Woman than anything. The end of the first Wonder Woman has Diana giving up on humanity and I would've liked the sequel to be about her coming back to the side of humanity, which this film does zero of. Even the basic Wonder Woman foiling a robbery scene (standard superhero scene) feels off because I'm thinking "is this the 1st time she's back?" and if she's been back, why don't people know who she is? Why isn't there just like one throwaway line about it at least? I guess you can say she can't be "back" until Batman v Superman because it would make her entry far more impactful there then but nobody really gives a shit about BvS, you can literally just handwave that whole movie away and no one would care. Hell, I bet there'd be like a standing ovation at Comic Con if they got up on stage and just said BvS isn't cannon, dropped the mic and walked off stage. Lastly, the DCEU implies that Diana stood on the sideline during WWII with Hitler and the Nazis.
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