Disgruntled Anonymous Faction Maliciously Attacks Anonymous

[FFHAuthor]

Well, we finally see the inherent flaw in any anarchist group, it's never an anarchy forever, there are always going to be leaders that emerge, and there is always going to be a hierarchy that asserts itself...and there is always going to be someone who wants to take advantage of that hierarchy, and the hierarchy's that evolve from an anarchy are the most dangerous kind, simply because there are no rules, no standards, no limits and no responsibilities.

 

[cookyy2k]

See kids...this is why anarchy doesn't work.

Next week's lesson: communism.

See above for why this doesn't work

 

[ReiverCorrupter]

Anonymous member NAMED Ryan?

He ain't anonymous.

I know I would have picked a cooler name than Ryan if I was on that site like Hermit or Loki or anything that can be associated with an actual name.

I'm sure there's probably over a thousand 'Loki's. Loki is just that cool.

Probably because he just does things for the lulz and is a massive troll

Pretty much. Oh god, why, WHY would you EVER think that shaving the head of Thor's wife is a good idea?

 

[Con Carne]

How Anominous...

*grabs popcorn*

I think I'll sit next to you and grab my own popcorn. This seems like it could turn out to be a drama that is well worth viewing. I can't wait to see what happens next.

 

[ReiverCorrupter]

Well, we finally see the inherent flaw in any anarchist group, it's never an anarchy forever, there are always going to be leaders that emerge, and there is always going to be a hierarchy that asserts itself...and there is always going to be someone who wants to take advantage of that hierarchy, and the hierarchy's that evolve from an anarchy are the most dangerous kind, simply because there are no rules, no standards, no limits and no responsibilities.

Mmm... They aren't anarchists. They don't fight for anarchy. They're really more direct democratic than anything else. But yes, in order to accomplish their more complicated goals they needed to implement more structure. That being said, I think it'll just fluctuate between order and disorder, the goals of the group are such that there's just no reason for them to establish a defined and permanent hierarchy or leadership. No one will ever be making executive decisions, they'll just organize debate. If they did eventually have a leader then it wouldn't be Anonymous.

 

[archvile93]

This is kind of what I imagine terrorists will do eventually, except with more gun violence. At any rate this should be interesting. Wonder which one will win, or if either will even survive.

 

[Vanbael]

If you really want some popcorn munching entertainment, check out this version of the story from Ars Technica:
The hackers hacked: main Anonymous IRC servers seized [http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/05/the-hackers-hacked-main-anonymous-irc-servers-seized.ars]
Isn't real-life something? I mean, you can't make this stuff up.

*eats popcorn like crazy reading that website*
Jesus, they really don't have their shit straight. Reading that, I see that a few of them have lost their way, not just random Anons, but notorious Anons. So now its Ryan versus Owen.

Also on the side: pst *nudges Sony* wake up! You watching this? I think your attackers/haters are distracted and destroying themselves. Bring back PSN quietly and don't stop on the security updates.[/side speculation that anon hates Sony]

 

[JonnWood]

Good.

Who watches the watchmen?

Anon isn't the watchmen. More like the vermin drowning in the gutters.

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Watchmen#Walter_Kovacs.2FRorschach

 

[Trolldor]

So anon are infighting again.

I am not surprised. Anyone who knows anything about Anon would have expected this.

 

[Simalacrum]

Yeah, they've been talking about this on separate Anonymous-associated forums like whyweprotest.net for a few days now... I even saw someone posting "Ryan"'s address and what his house looks like on the forums. General reaction looks to be very much negative against "Ryan", at least within the WWP community (WWP being the main body of the anti-Scientologist aspect of Anonymous).

It seems to me that 'Ryan' is the one who is power hungry. If this was a general movement within Anonymous, then we wouldn't be hearing one guy's name. Why are Anonymous anti-Scientologist again? For the lulz, or because they're money hungry wierdos who take advantage of stupid people? Idk. If you're committed to keeping stupid people from making stupid decisions prepare for an endless battle that you can't win. I say focus on New Zealand.

On the point of why we protest against them, a bit of both really at least for me - Scientology is a cult that scams people out of vast amounts of money, and should be protested against, and also the people who go to the protest are cool guys and fun to hang out with.

Of course stupid people will make stupid decisions - what we're trying to do is stop smart, perfectly normal people from having their lives ruined by the 'church' due to ignorance about what the church is. We're trying to spread publicity about what the church exactly is and, through that, convince people to stay away from the church and rob it of its financial stability.

Oh btw, when I say "we" I mean the part of Anonymous that is targeting the Church of Scientology. I, personally, am not involved in any way with other Operations done in Anonymous' name, and have no intention in getting involved with them either

Meh. I guess we're arguing semantics about what it means to be stupid. I also suppose that the Scientologists must be pretty adept at 'gradual initiation' (some would call it brainwashing) if they can convince many people about Zenu or Xenu or whatever it is.

As long as you're primarily focused on spreading information about Scientology and not suppressing what the scientologists say, then I don't mind. I'm not actually sure whether temporarily hijacking someone's website to get a message out is a violation of free speech. Probably a little. Be careful where you draw the line. But you should seriously look into the New Zealand thing, it's completely unacceptable. I'm not a hacker so I can't do anything about it.

Yeah, they don't actually tell their followers about Xenu and the rest of it until they've been in the church for several years and have been indoctrinated nicely. Then they also say that you can't tell anyone else about it or they'll die, which is why any Scientologist will strongly deny any claims about such beliefs.

Now, I honestly couldn't care less about what the Scientologists say about their beliefs - I (and probably most of us) aren't trying to stop them spreading silly but essentially harmless crap (which is why Anonymous initially didn't attack the Westboro Baptist Church - despite saying "Gays and Jews will go to hell" and other offensive shit, they have a strictly no-violence policy), its when they start abusing their followers and robbing them of their money and lives when I say the lines been crossed.

I'll make sure to look into the New Zealand thing! I'm sure my Anonymous 'friends' will know something about it :3

 

[Regiment]

So, a sub-faction of Anonymous, a group that prides itself on being faceless and no one knowing who anyone within the organization is, has started a hack-based civil war to seize control of the group from the other members.

... this may be me over thinking things a bit, but how is anyone going to be able to tell who is on what side? Or who they should even be attacking?

Ow, now my head hurts. And it's someone taking a leadership position to protest leadership positions... but there I go again, expecting human behavior to be logical and predictable. Ow.

 

[Risingblade]

Seems like all hell is breaking lose over the internets

 

[TsunamiWombat]

Anonnymous vs it's Internet Troll roots. Either they will emerge from this a true social activist group, or consume themselves in the fires of the internets.

We shall see.

 

[angry_flashlight]

This just keeps getting more and more entertaining to watch.

 

[Awexsome]

Figures. They try and make a "leaderless" collective and then a guy tries to take control (either way, someone was attempting to seize power here). I just hope this tears their organization apart. I've been getting quite sick of them and their support of GeoHot.

Yeah, how dare those arrogant fuckers stand up for a guy getting scapegoated for something he didn't do just so some corporate suits can set a precedent that they own physical items in your house and that post-purchase EULA's trump national laws.

Seriously, read up on something before you condemn it.

I know I for one have read up plenty on it. I believe Geo should've been in jail if the case went on and Sony's been in the right all along.

In this age you can't do anything you want with whatever technology you buy anymore. Deal with it. That code opened the door to jailbreaking and piracy. It's unfortunate for those who would use it for legitimate means but blame those who do pirate for why it's illegal. Not those protecting their products.

But it's much more fun to 'fight the power' of the evil corporate overlords, right?

 

[Nouw]

It's going to be boring, I've been hyped up by these 'battles' for too long and I've decided that not much is going to happen.

Remember the case of Anon attacking that band member from KISS? Nothing was reported after that...

 

[Fensfield]

Maybe while they're squabbling they'll stop 'representing' me for a bit -.-

 

[loogie]

Ryan eh? Is it perhaps Andrew Ryan? are the Anon servers hosted in the middle of the ocean?

 

[Dragonsoulq]

Would you kindly give me PSN's security details.