Do Gays Not Exist in Bioware's Star Wars?
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So what there saying is that "Star Wars is perfect for normal people" what arbitrary nonsense, you want to know normal? I sit near at least 5 gay guys and 2 lesbians, do you really think i care in the LEAST what there sexuality is? In fact, the whole creativity from humans stems from trying something different, in fact Star Wars was trying something different in its day, so put this in your AT-AT and blast it, Sean!
I'm gonna go along with the people who are saying that the WORDS don't exist in Star Wars. Words are just words, and why would anyone expect all English words to exist in the SW universe or games? Maybe they don't exist because they'd cause too much controversy. Besides, it's a land of make-believe. You want gays in SW? Fine! Just imagine that EVERYONE is gay, only they don't call it that. There, you happy? Han is gay, Chewie is gay, Luke is gay, Darth Vader is gay, the Emperor is gay, Ackbar is gay... They're all gay.
Now can we put this discussion behind us and stop flinging accusations of homophobia around?
Seriously, it's like having an argument about gays in Imaginationland.
Now can we put this discussion behind us and stop flinging accusations of homophobia around?
Seriously, it's like having an argument about gays in Imaginationland.
I'm sorry, but this is an absolutely ridiculous controversy.
Bioware is clearly not an anti-gay company. Jade Empire, Mass Effect, and KotOR1 all have lesbian or gay relationships. If you go so far as to accuse an entire company over one forum's mod's (misinterpreted) statement, and reinforce the stereotype by going emo on them because A SINGLE FORUM MOD said that THE WORDS do not exist in the STAR WARS UNIVERSE, (note: fictional place), which could mean any number of f*****g things, not the least of which could be that they merely see a relationship as a relationship and see no need to label it as something...
then I'm glad for you that you have the time to get offended by this. At the same time, it annoys the hell out of me. Games do not have to put every thing that relates to the current hot political issue in them. We love games as a form of escapism. Some games send a message, true, but an MMO is generally not of that type.
Should a game have to have every single different human skin color in it in order to not be racist? Should a game have to have every last possible human relationship in it in order not to be sexually "phobic" (which is a misnomer, as has been pointed out), in some way or another?
Political correctness can stay the f**k out of my games, please! I have no wish to have to deal with that shit, (PC), in the games that I play. If they put homosexuality in, so what. If they don't, so what. They should simply leave any kissing/sexuality out of the MMO altogether, and then if two gay people want to make two guy characters and profess their undying love for each other in a fucking video game, they can have at it. And I will despise the two of them as much as the pair of idiots I just saw get married in Perfect World, (which also has a storm of controversy over not having guys hug each other so they can fly. Girls too).
Some people need to go dip their heads in a bucket of ice water and stop taking video games so goddamn seriously.
Bioware is clearly not an anti-gay company. Jade Empire, Mass Effect, and KotOR1 all have lesbian or gay relationships. If you go so far as to accuse an entire company over one forum's mod's (misinterpreted) statement, and reinforce the stereotype by going emo on them because A SINGLE FORUM MOD said that THE WORDS do not exist in the STAR WARS UNIVERSE, (note: fictional place), which could mean any number of f*****g things, not the least of which could be that they merely see a relationship as a relationship and see no need to label it as something...
then I'm glad for you that you have the time to get offended by this. At the same time, it annoys the hell out of me. Games do not have to put every thing that relates to the current hot political issue in them. We love games as a form of escapism. Some games send a message, true, but an MMO is generally not of that type.
Should a game have to have every single different human skin color in it in order to not be racist? Should a game have to have every last possible human relationship in it in order not to be sexually "phobic" (which is a misnomer, as has been pointed out), in some way or another?
Political correctness can stay the f**k out of my games, please! I have no wish to have to deal with that shit, (PC), in the games that I play. If they put homosexuality in, so what. If they don't, so what. They should simply leave any kissing/sexuality out of the MMO altogether, and then if two gay people want to make two guy characters and profess their undying love for each other in a fucking video game, they can have at it. And I will despise the two of them as much as the pair of idiots I just saw get married in Perfect World, (which also has a storm of controversy over not having guys hug each other so they can fly. Girls too).
Some people need to go dip their heads in a bucket of ice water and stop taking video games so goddamn seriously.
I don't dislike homosexuals, just the lifestyle. As long as they don't shove it in your face when you talk to them, I could care less. It's their choice.
That's an idiotic and ignorant comeback. So one must be 100% pro-gay in order to not be "homophobic?" What if I say:TheTygerfire said:
I'm not homophobic, but I dislike flaming gays who shove their homosexuality in my face. (True.)
Is your witty response to this the same? It's amazing how people who are so pro-tolerance are so intolerant of others' viewpoints.
You'd have a good point. Except, the remainder of that sentence said "Im not homophobic but it I do not believe any type of homosexual content belongs in video games", which is completely homophobic in every sense of the word. The day you try and ban an entire demographic of gay people from any sort of medium, is the day that you become radically homophobic. I think most sane people could agree with that. Judging from the responses that statement got, it would seem quite a few people agree with me, in fact.Thanatos34 said:
How about this one? "I'm not racist, I just don't think black people belong in video games." If you wouldn't consider me a racist for saying that... then.. I don't know what to tell you.
Note: He didn't say, "I wouldn't play a video game if there was homosexual content." He said, "they don't belong in video games." Huge difference.
Agreed. I was unaware of the rest of the sentence. For once, the label is used correctly. Huzzah.runtheplacered said:
Why does it even have to be an issue? How exactly are they going to put sexuality in an MMO?Spirultima said:
This is a ridiculous example of Political Correctness over-asserting itself.
Well, the original context of the conversation seemed to be about Bioware promising lots of "story" and interactions with NPCs and fans speculating about whether BioWare's signature "romance plots" would be part of that.Thanatos34 said:
I mean, look at Guild Wars. Guild Wars has "campaign missions" that do tell a story in sequence. The game involves interacting with other players, but, during the missions, you and your small group are essentially "the heroes" of the whole thing -- you're the one fighting the big battles and killing dark gods and whatever. The game makes no attempt to reconcile that with what happens in town because it's built around the idea that individual little bits of different kinds of entertainment content are better than the old-school attempt to create some kind of seamless persistent world. TOR could certainly do something similar, with "story mode" sections that kinda resemble KOTOR mixed together with a world where you all compete or socialize. I think most of their fans would jump for joy at the possibility of just playing a fairly typical BioWare RPG with easier opportunity to share exciting moments with their peers, even if the game entirely fails to live up to the old-school simulationist ideal of the MMOG as a coherent "persistent world".
-- Alex
P.S. Also there's the Sociolotron approach to sexuality in MMOGs, of course -- the Escapist's articles probably mention it about once a month. But BioWare's not really in the business of making anything that involves the words "18 U.S.C. §2257 Records-Keeping Requirements Compliance Statement".
He basically said I'm not homophobic but if gay people were in the series I wouldn't like it.Thanatos34 said:
You said you didn't like flaming gays acting like tools.
That's not the same.
And guess what, I don't either, because THEY are the ones that make people like him.
And it's not being intolerant when it's discriminatory to PEOPLE LIKE ME.
I think its freaking hilarious how so many people here are obviously the kind of politically correct crazies that seem to be everywhere these days.
For the record homophobia is a retarded and overused label used by those RADICALS who support sweeping rights for homosexuals as if it were the freaking gospel.
Normal people like me (and perhaps you) aren't allowed to have our own opinion???? How is not wanting gays in a game mean you hate gay people or are homophobic? I don't really care either way just so long as its not too in your face.
I like almost everything harbinger has had to say except for his opinion that gays are disgusting (although he certainly has the freaking right to think whatever the hell he wants).
I've always held that one can condemn the same sex actions of homosexuals while still loving their humanity. They are people, and may need help. But that's just my opinion, which I'll remind you I'm allowed to have without being derided by a bunch of underage kids and radicals.
For the record homophobia is a retarded and overused label used by those RADICALS who support sweeping rights for homosexuals as if it were the freaking gospel.
Normal people like me (and perhaps you) aren't allowed to have our own opinion???? How is not wanting gays in a game mean you hate gay people or are homophobic? I don't really care either way just so long as its not too in your face.
I like almost everything harbinger has had to say except for his opinion that gays are disgusting (although he certainly has the freaking right to think whatever the hell he wants).
I've always held that one can condemn the same sex actions of homosexuals while still loving their humanity. They are people, and may need help. But that's just my opinion, which I'll remind you I'm allowed to have without being derided by a bunch of underage kids and radicals.
But when the mere presence of gay is interpreted as "being shoved in my face" or "forcing their views on me," I strongly suspect that something's been lost in translation.Thanatos34 said:
Agreed. In fact, some of my friends were having this exact same debate, and we concluded that the word "homophobic" was misleading and inaccurate, since so-called "homophobic" people generally aren't scared of gay people; they just hate them. Thus we coined a new term that we feel is more correct "homostygic" (the g is pronounced like the g in "midget"), coming from the Greek "stygos" which refers to intense hate. A homostygic is thus someone who hates gay people.Pscyon said:
Semantics/etymology to the rescue!