Do you dislike Microsoft?

Scabadus

Wrote Some Words
Jul 16, 2009
869
0
0
TestECull said:
3: XBL is a paid service. Why the fuck should I pay to play online when I can do so for free on the other two platforms?!
I'll give you the PC half, but the free Playstation Network? As in, that Playstation Network... I think XBL is worth the price when compared to the past fortnight.

I don't exactly dislike Microsoft, but I don't love them either. After being stuck with Windows ME for two years I've seen some of the very worst they've done (wasn't around for 3.1) but as a current Windows 7 user I've also seen the quality they're capable of. Sure there are a lot of complaints peopel can make about Windows 7, but people can make a lot of complaint about almost anything in the world, and in almost two years of use I've had something like three BSODs on my current computer. Gotta count for something.

I've also been an XBox user since the launch (or maybe relaunch? Don't know) of Xbox Crystal and I've rarely had faults with my xboxs. I take a little care of them, give them good ventilation and don't pick them up while they're running, and I've only had one or two hardware failures, each of which fixed itself after shutting down the console fully and unplugging it for half an hour (though admitedly my origional xbox never failed, ever. Only the 360).
 

Snotnarok

New member
Nov 17, 2008
6,310
0
0
No, like any company they want money. Why would I crucify them for wanting what every other company wants?

They charge money for xbox live, doesn't mean ya gotta buy it.
 

Caligulove

New member
Sep 25, 2008
3,029
0
0
No. They've done nothing to personally harm me. Relied (mostly) on their OS, grew up with it and know it better than any other OS out there. They've had some shitty ideas and shitty products, but what company hasn't? Never had a problem with my Xbox, actually, never had it red ring and never really had a problem with Live either.

People have consumer horror stories about them, sure, but that applies to just about any company that cannot appease every little demand of the customer. Like any other company out there that are supposed to be hated by the hive mind of that section of the internet- most of the time the company's flaws do not outweigh the successes or times where everything went on without any significance.
 

jackpipsam

SEGA fanboy
Jun 2, 2009
830
0
0
I AGREE MICROSOFT WORD, OH THE HATE I HAVE FOR THAT... no wate, I can't do anywork without that at all.

I love Microsoft, Xbox rocks, PC is better than MAC and they know what there doing
 

gabe12301

New member
Jun 30, 2010
1,371
0
0
MolotoK said:
king_katchit said:
Kinect? Always seemed a big risk for me, and some good stuff is coming from the tech.
The thing is, that Microsoft would have never ever done Kinect, if Nintendo hadn't started the whole motion control thing.
Kinect was being called project natal(well technically It wasn't announced yet and did not have a name but whatever) before the wii was announced.
 

Katana314

New member
Oct 4, 2007
2,299
0
0
In terms of computing, I often see them as the underdog and trying to do the right thing. Plus, they are my favorite learning and functional programming environment. Intellisense in Visual Studio is awesome.

To those complaining about Windows crashing; to be fair, a completely fresh, clean Windows box with nothing installed will more than likely never crash. It's when poorly-written apps do something bad that it starts causing trouble. That's not a catch-all excuse by any means as it's partially an OS's responsibility to make sure apps don't do that, but still, MS isn't as much to blame as you think.

In the gaming world, I think they screw a lot of things up. Xbox Live Gold should not be a paid service, and GFWL is very bloated.
 

pulse2

New member
May 10, 2008
2,932
0
0
HooterNanny said:
On the internet, there seems to be a fair amount of dislike for Microsoft, not specifically on this site, but on lots of other sites, people seem to have a problem with the company, where gaming and xbox is concerned.

Personally, I think that Microsoft does a really good job, the console itself is fantastic, and the Xbox Live service itself works really well. Online play is smooth, the marketplace works fantastically, they support lots of other avenues, like Facebook, Netflix, and the indie games section is especially cool for smaller time developers who want to get their games on Xbox.

The main thing I see though, is while people mention the bad things that they do, they never seem to mention the good things. The deals of the week tend to be good, i know i've purchased many games or add ons through that, and while they charge for the ability to play online with others, it's not exactly an unfair price. And

Just wondering what peoples opinions are on Microsoft, are they the giant money grabbing conglomerate many make them out to be, or do you think that all the criticism is undeserved?
I don't like or dislike Microsoft, in fact I'm neutral with all companies, I don't see why I should like a company, they don't like me or you, they just like our money, if you stop paying, they stop caring, your service gets taken away and you get a big 'fuck off'. So why should we LIKE a company?
 

Grey_Focks

New member
Jan 12, 2010
1,969
0
0
Ziadaine said:
they only think about money.
What corporation doesn't? You think Apple and Sony care about their customers any more than MS? That's funny if you do.

OT: Nope. Never had a problem with my 360, never had a problem that was OS related, Windows 7 is actually pretty badass, and most importantly, their existence keeps Sony's prices honest, and vice versa. Capitalism, ho.
 

Reaper195

New member
Jul 5, 2009
2,055
0
0
Personally, I don't care. Microsoft haven't really done anything to annoy me. I hardly ever play games online, so I don't pay for Live (That, and I also have a PS3. Go having a job!). The biggest problem I've ever had with Microsoft is my laptop constantly asking me if I'm sure I want to allow the program I just asked it to install if I want to install.

And don't tell me to turn User Account Control (Certain that's what it's called) off, since it only takes an extra second to click. It's more irritating than actively annoying.,
 

gabe12301

New member
Jun 30, 2010
1,371
0
0
Flaming Narwhal said:
Kind of. Using a PC fills me with rage every time it catches a virus.
That's not really Microsoft's fault. It just happens to be a big target.
 

Vibhor

New member
Aug 4, 2010
714
0
0
gabe12301 said:
MolotoK said:
king_katchit said:
Kinect? Always seemed a big risk for me, and some good stuff is coming from the tech.
The thing is, that Microsoft would have never ever done Kinect, if Nintendo hadn't started the whole motion control thing.
Kinect was being called project natal before the wii was announced.
Project natal was announced in 2009 whereas Wii has been available on retail since 2006
Get your facts right.
 

CrystalShadow

don't upset the insane catgirl
Apr 11, 2009
3,829
0
0
HooterNanny said:
On the internet, there seems to be a fair amount of dislike for Microsoft, not specifically on this site, but on lots of other sites, people seem to have a problem with the company, where gaming and xbox is concerned.

Personally, I think that Microsoft does a really good job, the console itself is fantastic, and the Xbox Live service itself works really well. Online play is smooth, the marketplace works fantastically, they support lots of other avenues, like Facebook, Netflix, and the indie games section is especially cool for smaller time developers who want to get their games on Xbox.

The main thing I see though, is while people mention the bad things that they do, they never seem to mention the good things. The deals of the week tend to be good, i know i've purchased many games or add ons through that, and while they charge for the ability to play online with others, it's not exactly an unfair price. And

Just wondering what peoples opinions are on Microsoft, are they the giant money grabbing conglomerate many make them out to be, or do you think that all the criticism is undeserved?
I would say this has nothing to do with the Xbox. Hatred for Microsoft goes back a long way.
It was already rampant in 1995.

The basis of that hatred originally tended to focus about the way Microsoft conducted it's business.

Which, essentially is summed up in the phrase "Embrace, extend, Extinguish."

Which is,
Embrace: Buy out your competition.
Extend: If they refuse, copy all their good ideas, then extend them slightly.
Extinguish: Then, use your control over the PC, and huge resources compared to most competitors, to drive them out of business by any means nessesary.

Then, when the competition is gone, Microsoft is left with no competition, and no need to do much of anything to improve their software.

See: Microsoft Windows, Microsoft Office... Microsoft Internet explorer - For products that have at least for part of their history successfully pulled off this concept.

(Windows made Apple into a niche product for a long time, but also Crushed OS2, and a long list of other OS options. Even DOS was a known ripoff of an OS called CP/M, which failed.

Microsoft office abused undocumented features of the windows API to do things no competitor could match, then ensured it's document format became standard, and more or less unreadable by any competitor.

Internet explorer seriously undermined netscape by being bundled with windows, but also in the way that it was embedded so deeply into the system it couldn't be removed, even if you didn't want it.)

There's plenty of examples of dubious things microsoft has done in the past, and people have rightfully hated them because of it.

Of course, it isn't really fair, because plenty of companies are just as bad, if not worse (Apple, I'm looking at you here), and get away with it with not even the vaguest hint of criticism.

But, I guess that's the price paid for being the biggest fish in the pond. (Google is starting to suffer for it now, despite it's 'do no evil' mantra...)
 

Radeonx

New member
Apr 26, 2009
7,013
0
0
wootsman said:
Radeonx said:
No.
I work as a programmer for Microsoft, and they are awesome.
this must be awkward for you huh
Not at all...most of the complaints that go to Microsoft are towards their Xbox Live services (I will be working NO WHERE NEAR the game department), and how I just signed the contract and have yet to move to their headquarters, it doesn't bother me at all.
 

gabe12301

New member
Jun 30, 2010
1,371
0
0
Vibhor said:
gabe12301 said:
MolotoK said:
king_katchit said:
Kinect? Always seemed a big risk for me, and some good stuff is coming from the tech.
The thing is, that Microsoft would have never ever done Kinect, if Nintendo hadn't started the whole motion control thing.
Kinect was being called project natal before the wii was announced.
Project natal was announced in 2009 whereas Wii has been available on retail since 2006
Get your facts right.
I edited my post earlier.
 

Levi93

New member
Oct 26, 2009
409
0
0
I have a few reasons why I've turned away from Microsoft and the xbox over the last few years.

Advertisments: Ok so first thing this doesn't apply to every one, this depends on where you live but Microsoft are cramming in adverts everywhere they can, so basically your paying for the service and you have to view the adverts.

MS points: it's a made up currency and you're forced to but set amounts of this currency with no real value and when you do purchase you're always forced to buy more than you need leaving you with excess point which you can't do anything with, yes they add up over time but why not just go with straight forward purchases?

Technical issues: well first thing is that the RRoD and E74 error are still present, even in the 360 slim (the numbers are reduced yes but they are still there) and the slim models have introduced a new problem where they will destroy disks with a slight movment of the console (some people have even claimed that when their 360 was standing vertical the vibration of the fan alone was enough to break the disk.

They force developers to charge for DLC so they can add to their cash pile, they also stopped Valve from introducing steam to the 360 and told them to use their already existing Games for Windows Live, so valve just went to sony.

They wanted to charge users for using free services such as Hulu video play and the BBC iPlayer.

Finally they disable alot of third party hardware because they make no profit from it, I think the only acception to this is wired USB controllers, not too sure about this though.

They tried to make PC gamers to pay to use Games for Windows Live and I bet you can guess what the majority of reactions were for that

So yeah after analysing my arguements it's pretty much because Microsoft is a money hungry corporation that is trying to leech as much money as possible from its customers.
 

Radeonx

New member
Apr 26, 2009
7,013
0
0
Ziadaine said:
they only think about money
Name one company that doesn't care primarily about money.

And then name one CEO/founder/whatever who has donated as much of their fortunes to various charities and the like as Bill Gates has.
 

blankedboy

New member
Feb 7, 2009
5,234
0
0
Well I like Windows and I like Zune, but I hate everything else they've put out.

But seriously, can you argue with NT? The only alternative is ReactOS which is apparently a piece of shit.

Radeonx said:
Ziadaine said:
they only think about money
Name one company that doesn't care primarily about money.

And then name one CEO/founder/whatever who has donated as much of their fortunes to various charities and the like as Bill Gates has.
Mojang LOL NO
 

jpoon

New member
Mar 26, 2009
1,995
0
0
Greedy multi-national corporation is greedy. Not a big fan but they do make somewhat decent hardware.