Not really, I mean you only fought one real dragon in Dragon Age (two if you had Awakening) plus the Archdemon and Flemeth as a dragon. So that's really not a lot of dragons. I can't think of any other game aside from Skyrim.
Do you think dragons are overdone and boring?
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I generally find dragons less cool now than I did 5 or so years ago. But as others have said, I don't think they're as overdone and not anymore as cool as vampires and zombies (and they will be in Skyrim as well).
That said I am reminded of the unfortunate fate of Heroes of Might and Magic 3. There was a free huge fanmade mod Wake of Gods that added tonnes of new content and functionality and fixed balance issues. And it was a growing thing, the developers took suggestions from the community and incorporated them in future versions. What did the community suggest?
"NEEDS MOAR DRAGONS!!". The mod added hundreds of new creatures into the game, about half of which were different silly flavours of dragons until dragons were more common than elves.
Talk about too common for their own good.
As for Skyrim - well you could get dragons in Oblivion via mods. I think they might be somewhat cool in Skyrim, but not the major selling point.
That said I am reminded of the unfortunate fate of Heroes of Might and Magic 3. There was a free huge fanmade mod Wake of Gods that added tonnes of new content and functionality and fixed balance issues. And it was a growing thing, the developers took suggestions from the community and incorporated them in future versions. What did the community suggest?
"NEEDS MOAR DRAGONS!!". The mod added hundreds of new creatures into the game, about half of which were different silly flavours of dragons until dragons were more common than elves.
Talk about too common for their own good.
As for Skyrim - well you could get dragons in Oblivion via mods. I think they might be somewhat cool in Skyrim, but not the major selling point.
I don't think it's quite reached the point where Dragons are the new Zombies (although it IS debatable that already happened with Dragonheart and Reign of Fire), however dragons do seem to be for fantasy as zombies are for horror/sci-fi.
It's got dragons done right (I HOPE) and in my favorite type of game. Not some shitty turn based JRPG crap. I just hope the dragons aren't as annoying as fighting those dumbassed Thresher Maws on foot in Mass Effect.
heck no! Dragon's aren't done enough. I want a game where you can actually play as a dragon in an open world fantasy game like The Elder Scrolls. What other games let you do that? I know of Spyro, but thats just a classic platformer. Theres also Reign of Fire for GameCube but theres not nearly enough variety and the non-dragon gameplay sucks so bad I never finished it
The number of modern games that are about dragons can be counted on one hand, I hardly think that's overdoing it. You know what is overdoing? Zombies. You know whats under-doing it? Dinosaurs!
Dragons are a part of human history. Every culture has myths about some kind of giant, flying monstrosity and the heroes that deal with them. They are humanity's ancient mythological foe; wild untamed nature and avarice set as obstacles to great treasure and fame. Dragons are emblematic of struggles that make ordinary people into heroes.
That, and they're GIANT FLYING LIZARDS THAT BREATHE FIRE! And that will always be awesome
That, and they're GIANT FLYING LIZARDS THAT BREATHE FIRE! And that will always be awesome
I must admit an Elder Scrolls game set on a series of islands where you can swim out into the ocean and explore underwater and fight Krakens sounds like fun.Engarde said:
For a while I pondered what the best use of dragons was in any type of media, well maybe not best, but as I would want it to be 'traditional' in my eyes. For me, it was in the Dragonlance novel series. It was sturdy, the plot and all things didn't hinge on dragons, but when they were introduced you could feel how badly the world had shat itself from fear of them.
Wise, powerful, not worldly concerned, yet willing to help a cause that interests them, this is what I believe dragons to be. In Might and Magic 7 or 8, if memory serves, there was a faction of dragons that even the slightest misstep would cause the whole horde to bare down on you like a space lazer on Camilot. Fear, awe, honor, and causion, in my world these are the things with which humans have for dragons.
I will admit the dragon factions in World of Warcraft were close, but just causally having them as mounts before dragons had a faction was strange, unless they were balls-deep in debt to you or respected you as an equal. After they had a faction is was more like, "My orders are to ensure your survival and the mission's success, meatbag."
They seem a bit overused to me as a creature of wonder and magic, but if you look at the world at large they tend to focus on one animal (fact or fictional) at a time, like when all of those 'penguin' movies came out all at once, or zoo-based movies, because people seem to like repitition a whole bunch.
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Wise, powerful, not worldly concerned, yet willing to help a cause that interests them, this is what I believe dragons to be. In Might and Magic 7 or 8, if memory serves, there was a faction of dragons that even the slightest misstep would cause the whole horde to bare down on you like a space lazer on Camilot. Fear, awe, honor, and causion, in my world these are the things with which humans have for dragons.
I will admit the dragon factions in World of Warcraft were close, but just causally having them as mounts before dragons had a faction was strange, unless they were balls-deep in debt to you or respected you as an equal. After they had a faction is was more like, "My orders are to ensure your survival and the mission's success, meatbag."
They seem a bit overused to me as a creature of wonder and magic, but if you look at the world at large they tend to focus on one animal (fact or fictional) at a time, like when all of those 'penguin' movies came out all at once, or zoo-based movies, because people seem to like repitition a whole bunch.
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okay, WAY more prevelant than Dragons in todays gaming market is Guns. from FPS shoot-a-thons, to RPG's, from Real Time to turn Based strategy, from sandbox crime to sandbox superhero, games are WAY more permeated by guns than dragons.
so tell me, do you think Guns are overdone and boring?
so tell me, do you think Guns are overdone and boring?
Like in the demo to where it picks up that giant guy and then he drops in the same look as when he was standing erect. Sorry, had to point that out, if the dynamics MADE SENSE, then I would be OK with it, but why shouldn't the dragon just say EFF THAT GUY and burn him alive with all of his brethren that were LITERALLY 10 FEET AWAY AND DIDN'T REACT! Thats the only selling point that really sounded interesting to me, that the world was dynamic, but then I remember Fable had been doing the same thing three times, granted each time it FAILED but still, its been doing the same thing.Phlakes said:
This guy sums up my thoughts on the subject in one or two sentences.
Hiroshi Mishima said:
Thats really true. I can't get enough of zombies, mainly because the dispatachable drones are more or less target practice, but Dragons I don't honestly like too much, other then the one from Dragon's Lair, that thing is beast.
Fire-breating flying lizards never get old imo.
You think dragons are overdone? Just compare them to humans! So many movies, books, songs, games, paintings etc. featuring ONLY humans. Seriously wtf?! And humans aren't even interesting, they look so bland and they rarely do anything interesting.
You think dragons are overdone? Just compare them to humans! So many movies, books, songs, games, paintings etc. featuring ONLY humans. Seriously wtf?! And humans aren't even interesting, they look so bland and they rarely do anything interesting.
Dragons are awesome. I am not buying Skyrim because of that or any other reason. I like dragons and think they're cool. They're not over done, but I don't a reason to buy any game just because it has dragons. The Dragons in Tales of Symphonia were awesome simply because they dropped a whole lot of gald or exp depending on what kind of dragon it was. Also gald is not a misspelled word.
I love Dragons too much to not be excited when they're used in games/movies/books (etc.). For me, they're like magic, every fantasy story has their own version.
Some dragons are intelligent and can talk, some verbally, and others telepathically (Some even refuse/are unable to speak human speech, but are just as intelligent). Other Dragons are little more than animals, some very intelligent, and other times famous for their dim-wit. Some dragons have magic (Which, as I said, is also subject to a new version for every story), and some are limited to breathing fire and flight. Most dragons breath fire, but others breathe anything from acid to lightning. Dragon fire has explanations ranging from "It's magic!", to extremely well thought out biological and environmental explanations.
I don't think I've ever heard a satisfactory explanations why creatures as huge as dragons don't exterminate the animal population, since they would need an enormous amount of food to stay alive. But that's probably the only consistent problem I have with the idea of Dragons. That, and how they achieve flight when their wings aren't twice as long as they are (Unless the explanation is: Magic!).
Some dragons are intelligent and can talk, some verbally, and others telepathically (Some even refuse/are unable to speak human speech, but are just as intelligent). Other Dragons are little more than animals, some very intelligent, and other times famous for their dim-wit. Some dragons have magic (Which, as I said, is also subject to a new version for every story), and some are limited to breathing fire and flight. Most dragons breath fire, but others breathe anything from acid to lightning. Dragon fire has explanations ranging from "It's magic!", to extremely well thought out biological and environmental explanations.
I don't think I've ever heard a satisfactory explanations why creatures as huge as dragons don't exterminate the animal population, since they would need an enormous amount of food to stay alive. But that's probably the only consistent problem I have with the idea of Dragons. That, and how they achieve flight when their wings aren't twice as long as they are (Unless the explanation is: Magic!).
I think it's because most games have to dumb down dragons. As depicted in most fantasy myths, dragons are elusive and deadly animals, the oldest of which are nearly invincible and require a small army to take down. Their size and power make them one-hit killers. Video games often have to scale back that kind of power to favor balance. The problem is that compared to pretty much everything, a dragon is ridiculously unbalanced. Even though it was a so-so game, Monster Hunter conveyed this sense of danger around dragons better than any game. Hunting them was a process, you had to have traps, and generally outsmart the creature because it would kill you in a single swipe otherwise.
I don't think dragons are over done, but zombies definitely are. So tired of zombies.....Engarde said: