Do you think dragons are overdone and boring?
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They've been done, but rarely well. And when have you played an open world game in which you just might stumble upon a dragon? Where it wasn't a boss or a scripted scene, but just a natural element of the world? I've been looking forward to this since I first played The Legend of Zelda on the NES.
So it seems all we need is some kind of Kraken with mechanical legs to chase you all over the place.
No I wouldn't say dragons are overdone and I find them really cool and rarely are boring in whatever game\show\movie\book they are in.
No I wouldn't say dragons are overdone and I find them really cool and rarely are boring in whatever game\show\movie\book they are in.
Every game has a dragon in it. It might not be a giant fire-breathing lizard, but there is a dragon. Dragons are representative of something that is fundamentally bigger and more powerful than yourself, the literal embodiment of power. The ability to fight and eventually defeat these "overwhelming odds" is the core of character growth. Without an enemy to fight "worthy" of your powers/skills, the game is boring. All games have, at some point, a powerful enemy or great challenge to "fight" in order to be a good game, therefore every game has a dragon.
There's no such thing as overdone, only done well or done badly. That goes for dragons as well as any other "overused/overexposed" hate figure of the moment, be it zombies, vampires or Green Lanterns (though I am getting really fucking sick of seeing Green Lanterns everywhere)
I consider dragons as part of the same level of 'lame fantasy' as goblins, fairies, unicorns and elves.
Screw dragons, demons are better at filling a 'dragon's role' anyway, and they're a straight out incarnation of evil meaning they lack the lame-factor.
Screw dragons, demons are better at filling a 'dragon's role' anyway, and they're a straight out incarnation of evil meaning they lack the lame-factor.
This. Though I really do like The Walking Dead TV series. I also will throw in the idea of Vampires is over done as well. Thanks Twilight, thanks a whole lot.Solid Reece said:
Not at all.
Dragon's are nowhere close to being overused in gaming. Gaming overuses zombies or Russian's. By comparison Dragon's still feel fresh.
Regarding Skyrim specifically, Dragon's don't help sell the game to me at all. They lead to cool looking trailers but only time will tell if they truly enhance the game experience like they did in Dragon Age.
Dragon's are nowhere close to being overused in gaming. Gaming overuses zombies or Russian's. By comparison Dragon's still feel fresh.
Regarding Skyrim specifically, Dragon's don't help sell the game to me at all. They lead to cool looking trailers but only time will tell if they truly enhance the game experience like they did in Dragon Age.
I don't like this 'yawn, Trope X has already exceeded its quota of uses in popular culture and therefore is now boring' attitude I'm seeing. Yeah, some ideas have been used a lot by now, but try actually engaging with the material. There might be some new ideas in there.
Roll a Barduzo said:
Get to level 10
Buff Bluff and/or Diplomacy up to ridiculous levels
Convince a horde of dragons that the Big T needs to die (easy with your persuasion skills)
Watch the fireworks.
There's a Trap the Soul trick which avoids the Tarrasque's spell resistance too, though it requires a 50k gold gem.
Summon/Rebuke an Allip (which is both incorporeal and can fly) and have it use its Ability Drain (Wisdom) on the Tarrasque. At 1d4 Wis/turn and only 14 Wis on the Tarrasque, it'd take about...5-6 rounds to knock it out. Less than a minute. Since it's Ability Drain and not Damage the drain is permanent, which means that unless some idiot casts Restoration on the Tarrasque, it is permanently incapable of acting. After that you can open up your own Tarrasque Steak Restaurant. My favourite part of this is that at 4HD, an Allip can actually be rebuked by a lucky roll at level 1 (17-20 with 14 Charisma) meaning that an Evil/Neutral Cleric can defeat the Tarrasque at first level.
The Tarrasque is intimidating by numbers, not actually not that tough. It can't fly, it can't cast spells and it has no ranged attacks to speak of.
I get what the OP is saying. I mean, are dragons overdone across various medias? Absolutely. It is to the point that if a novel involves a dragon, I don't go near it. Though, there aren't a lot of games off the top of my head that have dragons in them. There has been some fantasy games that have them besides the obvious, but I am honestly kind of surprised how few fantasy games have them theses days.
Also, as with the case of Skyrim, it's the fifth game in the series and it's the first game to include dragons. It is really the first common fantasy aspect the series has now. Previously, they have always made up the enemies in house. It looks like they have done something unique with it as well. For instance, they are only enemies (until someone mods Puff the Magic Dragon into the game), and you get something that doesn't amount to loot but an inherited ability from them. While I am a bit weary of standard fantasy fair such as dragons, I never for one second doubted Skyrim would be awesome.
Also, as with the case of Skyrim, it's the fifth game in the series and it's the first game to include dragons. It is really the first common fantasy aspect the series has now. Previously, they have always made up the enemies in house. It looks like they have done something unique with it as well. For instance, they are only enemies (until someone mods Puff the Magic Dragon into the game), and you get something that doesn't amount to loot but an inherited ability from them. While I am a bit weary of standard fantasy fair such as dragons, I never for one second doubted Skyrim would be awesome.
Eh, I guess dragons have become sort of stereotyped in a way. Which could make them a little too familiar to us. But nah, they still have plenty of lives left yet.
That only works if your DM is a fucking retard. You would never find that many dragons, never get the gem, never be able to buff your bluff and diplomacy to the required levels. All of the technical niggling is moot. Just because you could, in THEORY, doesn't mean you would ever be able to.Amnestic said:
OT: Dragons are awesome, unless you're fucking up their image like in Dark Souls or JRPGs. They should be enigmatic, alien, awesome, and nerve wracking.
