Eh, I guess dragons have become sort of stereotyped in a way. Which could make them a little too familiar to us. But nah, they still have plenty of lives left yet.
Do you think dragons are overdone and boring?
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That only works if your DM is a fucking retard. You would never find that many dragons, never get the gem, never be able to buff your bluff and diplomacy to the required levels. All of the technical niggling is moot. Just because you could, in THEORY, doesn't mean you would ever be able to.Amnestic said:
OT: Dragons are awesome, unless you're fucking up their image like in Dark Souls or JRPGs. They should be enigmatic, alien, awesome, and nerve wracking.
Technically you don't need that many, since dragons can fly and the Tarrasque can't reach them.Slowpool said:
You don't require ANY tricks to buff bluff to ridiculous levels by level 10. 13 skill points, +5 CHA bonus, +5 Skill (Bluff) item costs 2500gp - easily within a 10th level character's allowance, +30 from Glibness [http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/glibness.htm] (Bard 3). That comes to a +53 on your roll. At an average of 10 on a roll (well, 10.5) you're looking at 63-64 on your average Bluff check, which is pretty damn unbeatable.
None of this is book dipping, it's not cheating. At most you could question the price on the +5 Skill item (Magic Item Compendium), but I highly doubt it.
I wouldn't normally seek to break the game, but if a DM decides "How'd you like a visit from your local Tarrasque?" then I'll pull out whatever tricks are necessary.
But hell, I could just roll a Wizard, cast Fly (Wiz/Sorc 3, Travel 3) and leave. There's nothing Big T. can do to catch a flying character out of his reach, and certainly nothing before he gets distracted by easier prey.
If I wanted to be really really cheesy I'd just make a Boom Box. It wouldn't kill it, but it'd disable it long enough for me to run away.
Im with you on this one. All those dragons are starting to feel way to generic. There is nothing really special about dragons (or wolves, spiders, etc) anymore. It's been all done and tried before.
If you can make up an entire world, what about some strange new creatures for it?
Some new, weird and creative creatures would be way more interesting for me atm. Like in The Witcher 2 for example (which also had a dragon but depicted it much more interesting then most games, im looking at you Dragon Age)
If you can make up an entire world, what about some strange new creatures for it?
Some new, weird and creative creatures would be way more interesting for me atm. Like in The Witcher 2 for example (which also had a dragon but depicted it much more interesting then most games, im looking at you Dragon Age)
It's not about the dragons.
The big thing Oblivion and Morrowind lacked were major boss fights. Sure we had the occasional extra-tough npc, but none of them really felt all that challenging.
Now we have something big to kill and feel all tough-like after doing so.
The big thing Oblivion and Morrowind lacked were major boss fights. Sure we had the occasional extra-tough npc, but none of them really felt all that challenging.
Now we have something big to kill and feel all tough-like after doing so.
I think the primary "selling point" of dragons in games is that they're hard to implement (large bosses in general are harder to implement) so you don't see them as much as, say, goblins. Or whatever.
I don't think they're overdone per se, because they tend to get used differently each time they put in an appearance. Contrast this with, say, zombie defense, and it's the same every single time.
I don't think they're overdone per se, because they tend to get used differently each time they put in an appearance. Contrast this with, say, zombie defense, and it's the same every single time.
It seems like Dragons are a pretty flexible creature in terms of style anyway. Dragon is pretty much just an umbrella term for large lizard (usually with wings).... there's a lot you can do with something so broad
Dragons are just something that's familiar to people, but they can be interpreted in so many different ways. We could just as easily say no more Dwarves, Elves, Orcs, Soldiers, Aliens, Vampires, Werewolves, Humans. All of these are over-used, yet if we try too hard to avoid cliches, we end up with something that isn't appealing and doesn't make much sense.
Dragons are just something that's familiar to people, but they can be interpreted in so many different ways. We could just as easily say no more Dwarves, Elves, Orcs, Soldiers, Aliens, Vampires, Werewolves, Humans. All of these are over-used, yet if we try too hard to avoid cliches, we end up with something that isn't appealing and doesn't make much sense.
Not there yet, but in danger of becoming overused.
Time to spice things up. Either make a game where you play as a dragon (and not some "Rider of a dragon fighting other dragonriders, but be a full dragon fighting for survival against more and more technologically advanced humans) or make something like the Temeraire series where you transplant the setting into the renaissance and make dragons into a form of air force who carry two dozens of gunners on their back and drop grenades on infantry while also fighting against their exlusion from society. Great books. Everyone who loves dragons should read them.
Time to spice things up. Either make a game where you play as a dragon (and not some "Rider of a dragon fighting other dragonriders, but be a full dragon fighting for survival against more and more technologically advanced humans) or make something like the Temeraire series where you transplant the setting into the renaissance and make dragons into a form of air force who carry two dozens of gunners on their back and drop grenades on infantry while also fighting against their exlusion from society. Great books. Everyone who loves dragons should read them.
Try playing Divinity 2 or check out Dragon Commander whenever it comes out.Fawxy said:
OT: I think maybe dragons as enemies take a lot more effort to make interesting than other things. Dragons as allies or the player character as a dragon is remarkably untapped though.
Dragons get to be boring when they're overused. Currently, they have three basic roles in games:
1) Wise advice-dispensing mentor
2) High-level attack fodder
3) Treasure Guardian
None of them give the dragon much scope to be interesting as it denies them an active role. Even a dragon that merely hunts around it's lair to feed it's offspring has more character and shows more purpose than most video game dragons. Intelligent dragons seem to want treasure hoards but little thought has been given as to how exactly they get them or why they want them.
1) Wise advice-dispensing mentor
2) High-level attack fodder
3) Treasure Guardian
None of them give the dragon much scope to be interesting as it denies them an active role. Even a dragon that merely hunts around it's lair to feed it's offspring has more character and shows more purpose than most video game dragons. Intelligent dragons seem to want treasure hoards but little thought has been given as to how exactly they get them or why they want them.
