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krazykidd said:
zerobudgetgamer said:
krazykidd said:
Parasite eve
Mirrors edge
Final fantasy x-2
final fantasy xiii
Final fantasy 6 ( debatable)
Xenosaga (debatable)
Kingdom hearts (joke )
Edit: Thought of some more , Tomb raider , X-blades...Resident evil , Wet
OK, terribly sorry, but aren't most of the female characters in the games listed either wearing something revealing, skin-tight, or both? And even if they wear something more "conservative" aren't they typically just turned into sex symbols within a month of release anyway? And didn't most of those games either sell poorly or vanish into obscurity?
Wait what? how many of these games have you played exactly ? I'll atmit that X-blades and Wet have women that wear revealing clothes.I also noticed you removed some of the games that i listed because it hurts your point, also Kingdom hearts was a joke because i never pass up a chance to hate on KH. Now the only one that may have fallen into obscurity is parasite eve and debatebly Xenosaga unless your a JRPG fan .
Which leaves , Tomb raider, , mirrors edge , FF6 , FF10-2 , FF13 and resident evil. Now
dismissing perverted fan art (stares at tomb raider ,) none of these women are sex symboles in their respective games, they are all Strong independant woman , that fight for what they want , taking names and kicking ass.
Laura croft
Faith
Terra
Yuna
Lightning
Clair
Are all Forces to reckon with, and aren't afraid to get ther hands dirty.
Also, the point of me listing those games , was to show that they are games with female main characters.They have been in the past since the begining of the video game developement ( theres even a Ms. Pacman for christs sake ).
Also . Aren't most male characters in video games have all brawn and no brain ? The Alpha male everyone ( supposedly) wants to be? Hell theres a shit load of games with Big armed Muscle head protagonists that fall into obscurity. So , what's your point?
Anyways this diverts WAY off course of what the thread was originally about.
Yeah, okay, maybe I should've removed KH, too, and maybe mentioning sex symbols like the crap on DeviantArt is Canon was the wrong way to put it, but my point wasn't that all of your choices had negative stereotypical tit-fodder. Rather, it was the fact that, regardless of the quality of the game, the women depicted were typically given clothing and personas to match some inherent (possibly sexual) desire in/with the men who make/play said game. I mean, look at Xenosaga. The "main" character, Shion, may not have been wearing anything too revealing (until the third game) but she was your typical "Smart with glasses" girl that Japan seems to fetishize, and her ditzyness didn't help matters. Lara, despite her strengths, has been branded a sex symbol practically since her inception, and although I don't have the numbers in front of me, haven't the bulk of her games after they tried to remove the sex symbol aspect just been...not as good, or just not sold really well? And as for Yuna...in FFX-2??? You're REALLY trying to debate a character who goes from priestess garb to a pair of short-shorts and an open-front shirt?? Who in the first five minutes of gameplay you get to watch giggling and dancing about in a frilly blue dress??? And whose only other character from the original goes through the entire game in a bikini??? NEED I GO ON?!
Now, yes, sure, there are a fair number of strong female leads out there, more than I gave credit for. But each one has had at least one moment, one outfit, one set of dialogue that was purely made for the fanboys, and it occurs FAR more often than having the male lead slip up and do something to please fangirls. It's the sad part of the world of gaming we're presently in, where even perfectly legitimate female leads have to be forced to rub their tits on the screen because the publishers/developers think we want it that way.
And as for the fact that there are just as many, if not more, alpha-male-type games that fail...well, the ratios are different. For every three or four alpha-male retard games that fail, there's at least one that succeeds, which, AFAIK, is probably a better ratio than the ratio that even intelligent, non-pandering female leads have. That's all I can say. Numbers mean everything in this current industry. If you can prove that something "has" worked before, no one cares if you can prove that something "might" work. And it's even worse if you can't provide sufficient data to support your case. Like I said, regardless of the quality of the females you list, if you can't show that the games sell well, and you can't show beyond the shadow of a doubt that those sales solely rest on the female lead's personality and journey, and NOT her heart-shaped ass and/or bouncing breast physics that people were transfixed to for half the game, then it's INCREDIBLY HARD to make more characters like her.