i don't find it insulting. the bioshock games as ive seen it seek to represent a philosophy in each game. the first was objectavism. the second communism, this third one is xenophobism (its a thing) its just the next step, the idea of being afraid of new outsiders for fear they will take what we have worked for....sound familiar? =COU-immigration-GH!!!=...excuse me.
Bioshock is about an utopian society falling to pieces. Plus add in the back-in-time idea they tend to have and for the time period/ungrowing views would be correct. Its not offensive, just childish and ignorant that comes from the best thinking all els is a pile of (insert form of crap here)
Also I think you've kind of missed the point of Culumbia. It may believe that it's a utopia for American ideals but also note that it is no longer part of America, it's separated itself from the main country. It's people have a screwed idea of what American ideals even are, they may not agree with mainland America.
Also note that many American people of today are racist and have a very right wing view on immigration, no matter what the history of the country may be.
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Culumbia's pretty close to the real thing.
I wouldn't say close the the real thing, we were at war with these people and they happened to be foreign, we also portrayed the Nazies as ugly or demonic but they were white.
As long as the game portrays this as a corrupted version of the American belief system then it's alright, but I'm afraid they might make a modern day connection to imigration and just say that America is and always was evil.
There's enough hatred going on you know? No need to fan the flames with lies.
Americans hated the Irish at one time too. I'd be willing to go on the stand and say Irish are white folks too.
Race is a little more streamlined than obvious color cues, it can be as simple as one group of people hating another because of differences in nose size.
"No Irish Need Apply."
I'm sure if Middle Easterners were white, but still wore the hats (or had an accent) we'd be hating on them too. Just instead of stabbing an Indian guy out of ignorance a racist would be stabbing an Ohioan out of ignorance.
Wow, your patriotic flute must be catching fire today (giggity), but even if you can't see the cracks in your perfect world do remember that you are talking about a game.
A fictional game with fictional events performed by fictional people... did I mention it's fiction yet? Can you now spot why it's not something to wet your panties about...
I feel like you're forgetting one very important aspect: BioShock is intended to represent dystopic societies. Look at Rapture. It's an obvious perversion of actual Socialist philosophies.
Might have been said already, but Columbia is not fallowing American Ideals, but Columian ideals. Columbia basically fallows a perversed American ideal, which happened because, like in Bioshock 1 & 2, the ideals that the city were founded upon went to the extreme of the philosophy. Also, relating to the backstory, didnt Columbia break ties with America because of the radicle ideals fallowed and perpitrated by Columbia? So what you are basically seeing is the American ideals heavily perversed, which really fits with the Bioshock theme of social and philosophical ideas taken to the extreme.
It's just a game. Honestly, bioshock in general has always had a lot of satirical interpretations of actual beliefs. Why are u surprised that this remained true for the 3rd one?
The theme of the games is distoypian societies so these posters are ment to offensive or at least to make the player to feel uncomfortable about their location. The very fact that you were offended enough to make a thread about it shows that they are doing their job very very well.
i don't find it insulting. the bioshock games as ive seen it seek to represent a philosophy in each game. the first was objectavism. the second communism, this third one is xenophobism (its a thing) its just the next step, the idea of being afraid of new outsiders for fear they will take what we have worked for....sound familiar? =COU-immigration-GH!!!=...excuse me.
hmm, yes. I guess the theme would be xenophobism, just with an Americana backdrop. I just HATE it when the founders are wrongfully vilified. And just as many people have said, it's satire (I probably should have realized that when I saw that Alpha creature lol).
I guess I'll take a lesson from the poor Russians and learn to grow a thicker hide when I play it.
Sorry not here too troll or create rage were none is needed, but you are a MASSIVE tool and an arse for firstly not getting this is satire of beliefs at the time of the american experiment(Not only that but this takes place in an entirely fictional city which has shown it's self having broken away from america and become its own entity)Considering its canon that the city went rouge and introverted forming its own seperate gated community it would be lunacy too think that they wouldn't be massivly xenophobic and I'm glad in the knowladge that it looks like the dev team is protraying this in a mature manner(I.E. Not just putting up vague posters for people too keep out of columbia but also using establised steryotypes and allowing us as modern gamers too create are own opinions on issues that still persist too today).
If were going back too issues in america's such as slavery and issues of race taking in the time period i'd like too point out that the issue of racism and xenophobia was persistant in all the 'civilised' world at the time(England,America and europe in general)so really america isn't so special in this time frame and taking anything personally is silly,I also say this as a brit so i'm not defending american ideals or whatever someone might think.
Hate to break it to you but the U.S. as an entity has pretty much always been racist and especially in the period Infinite portrays. There existed institutionalised racism that blurred (and indeed, blurs) class, gender and ethnicity that was and is made more obvious than in other Western countries by the huge and diverse contact the U.S. had with the Other. In that period, ideals and reality weren't so much opposed as blended together by fear, hatred, and in the best cases merely condescension.
If anything, it highlights the potential for corruption of those high ideals in a super-Americanised and racialised setting, at the beginning of the period wherein the U.S. began to take more of a leading global role, with ideology and perception shifting into place around it.
Take your pick of American literature and you'll see these themes and others like them recurring time and time again.
First, it's a game that is setting up its own logic and showing how things could go. I know people who were offended when they saw D.C. get blown up in Modern Warfare 2. It's fiction. Stuff needs to happen to tell the story, otherwise it's history.
Second, by its very title "Propaganda Poster," of course it's not going to be squeaky clean and nice. Propaganda never is. It's meant to twist your way of thinking, and if taking imagines that everyone knows and then twisting them toward your ideal works, then there you go. I bet there are a lot of people out there who would think this is a real poster and agree with it.
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