Does anyone else find Bioshock Infinite's propaganda posters offensive?
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Historical fun fact - if you were Black in early 1900s America then yes, that was pretty much how you were seen. And yes, even the godlike Founding Fathers way before that went along with the idea - many were slave owners, and the society they founded certainly endorsed it.
Someone's probably already pointed this out to you, but Bioshock is a perversion of Objectivist philosophies. Objectivism is (nominally classed as) a distinct branch of libertarianism, originated and articulated by Ayn Rand, not a branch of socialism.BrailleOperatic said:
..You do know that the "crippled and mentally ill" where thought to be crippled and mentally ill because of mixed breeding inbetween races, right?Hammartroll said:
...RIGHT?
I think the best thing we all can do, is stop taking anything in gaming too seriously. Artistic freedom lives on in gaming, and we should all appreciate it while we still can.
Gee whiz. I think you might be up to something. I mean the underwater city of Atlantis was also filing complaints against the first Bioshock for absolutely missinterpreting their ideals of seclusion and free market.
I mean they hyperbolise a certain political ideas and for what? For making an interesting game world and unique story? PREPOSTEROUS
I mean they hyperbolise a certain political ideas and for what? For making an interesting game world and unique story? PREPOSTEROUS
Propaganda: To deceive the people in any way possible to follow your beliefs.
Do you think that Aryan race is superior? Change the declaration of independence.
Also, for the time? Totally works. People were racist all the time, against everyone who was different. Even if the were just from another town. Hell, people are still really prejudiced against people they are not familiar with.
The statue of liberty btw does NOT represent welcoming to new immigrants. It was a gift to America when they ended slavery.
Furthermore, you can't generalise about how an entire people think about anything. Even today you can't say "Sweden stands for atheism" (largest Atheist percentage) because there are still plenty of religious people. In a country as divided as America? Especially when the game deals with a fringe group? Fringe groups follow by definition a different moral value than the "general" country.
My basic point is: These are not "standard" Americans for the time. Also, Propaganda is not meant to tell the truth.
No, I'm not offended.
Do you think that Aryan race is superior? Change the declaration of independence.
Also, for the time? Totally works. People were racist all the time, against everyone who was different. Even if the were just from another town. Hell, people are still really prejudiced against people they are not familiar with.
The statue of liberty btw does NOT represent welcoming to new immigrants. It was a gift to America when they ended slavery.
Furthermore, you can't generalise about how an entire people think about anything. Even today you can't say "Sweden stands for atheism" (largest Atheist percentage) because there are still plenty of religious people. In a country as divided as America? Especially when the game deals with a fringe group? Fringe groups follow by definition a different moral value than the "general" country.
My basic point is: These are not "standard" Americans for the time. Also, Propaganda is not meant to tell the truth.
No, I'm not offended.
I'm going to go and agree with this guy.Abandon4093 said:
OT: I thought it was nothing more than a perverse version of a Jeffersonian Democracy on steroids. I don't see what the big deal is, and frankly, I don't see how that game poster is insulting.
I must be an idiot, because I don't see it.
Offensive? I thought that was the point. Okay, now the rest... Your logic and ideas are correct on the surface. But they are far from true. Yes, maybe they shouldn't be shoving a founding father onto a poster with negative messages. But they can, it's the message, the propaganda matters, not the truth. The world of Bioshock is based around propaganda and making the ideals of a people VERY VERY obvious and at the same time point out how it is false. As for the no foreigners imagery, the US had the chinese exclusion act in place in the 1890's we stopped immigrants of all kinds from europe coming into our country too. We stopped people and did the SAME thing with less propaganda.
Not sure if serious.
Did you play the original Bioshock? It was a mockery of Randyan objectivism, or a follow of it anyway, showing how a civilisation would tear itself apart (or how even the greatest minds needed some dunce to mop their shit out of public toilets). Add plasmids and civil unrest as a result of a poor government becomes all out war.
This is pretty much the same, taking a dig at the politics.
It's meant to show a broken side of the policies, the bad side, the side where things can go wrong. That's the entire point of the games (even 2 followed suite with it's approach to socialism).
Sorry to join the bandwagon because you seem to be relatively knowledgeable but mate, you've missed the point, missed it by a long shot.
Did you play the original Bioshock? It was a mockery of Randyan objectivism, or a follow of it anyway, showing how a civilisation would tear itself apart (or how even the greatest minds needed some dunce to mop their shit out of public toilets). Add plasmids and civil unrest as a result of a poor government becomes all out war.
This is pretty much the same, taking a dig at the politics.
It's meant to show a broken side of the policies, the bad side, the side where things can go wrong. That's the entire point of the games (even 2 followed suite with it's approach to socialism).
Sorry to join the bandwagon because you seem to be relatively knowledgeable but mate, you've missed the point, missed it by a long shot.
1. You missed the point
2. The US had a fairly enthusiastic program of sterilising and lobotomising largely harmless people, sitting there and denying it is disingenuous at best and downright offensie at worst.
2. The US had a fairly enthusiastic program of sterilising and lobotomising largely harmless people, sitting there and denying it is disingenuous at best and downright offensie at worst.
Lmao I think you've missed the entire point of this game, but well done for making an ass of yourself on the internet 
Did you create an account just to call him out on that?Maria Summers said:Lmao I think you've missed the entire point of this game, but well done for making an ass of yourself on the internet
Look up the Emergency Immigration Act 1921 and the National Origins Act 1924, they may not be the time period represented by that poster but they definitely represent the values expressed by the poster and the views of the people of the time period. If an immigrant couldn't be used for a slave they couldn't be used at all was the mindset of the people, whether it was the mindset of the politicians or not. Who politicians are matters jack shit when they're being interpreted by the people, so when you get extreme right wing ultra-nationalists and combine the mindset of the people you get Columbia.
I think you're forgetting that Columbia represents the very bottom of right wing USA. They're the xenophobes you see on TV asking what's being done about the immigrant problem made worse; they're the guy who stares at you while you eat because you look a little too 'coloured' to be a WASP made worse; they're the prick under the hood made worse. That is what Columbia is, not the US directly.
I can see why you may be offended, but I think you're both missing the point and taking the poster too personally.
I think you're forgetting that Columbia represents the very bottom of right wing USA. They're the xenophobes you see on TV asking what's being done about the immigrant problem made worse; they're the guy who stares at you while you eat because you look a little too 'coloured' to be a WASP made worse; they're the prick under the hood made worse. That is what Columbia is, not the US directly.
I can see why you may be offended, but I think you're both missing the point and taking the poster too personally.
Lol na just couldn't remember my old login infoRealitycrash said:Did you create an account just to call him out on that?Maria Summers said:Lmao I think you've missed the entire point of this game, but well done for making an ass of yourself on the internet