Does this seem fair to you?

[SmilingKitsune]

A. Meh


B.Meh


C. meh

These here be true words of wisdom .

and also annoying, seeing as he posted with nothing to say, not very good for a discussion.

Sorry, I think she was joking though. As for the problem, how long has it been? Do you think the whole thing might just blow over or is the guy a real hard ass when it comes to things like this?

 

[NezumiiroKitsune]

You spent 2 years playing DnD frequently with the same 12 people and you can call non of them friends? Weird. Onliine DnD isn't the same. I suggest swallowing your pride if you enjoy the game so much and apologizing for being so incredulously arrogant and presumptuous to suggest an alteration in price for a smaller room. Using your balls might lose you a good game to a god complex headcase and his authoritarian ruling over his precious basement. Lying through your teeth if you can hold back your pride.

It doesn't sound fair.

 

[[Insert Evil Laugh Here]]

If you're still looking for online RPing check out plothook.net/RPG
Very active, friendly boards, with plenty of DnD goodness to be had.

Good luck with the other issues.

 

[jockslap]

A. Meh


B.Meh


C. meh

These here be true words of wisdom .

and also annoying, seeing as he posted with nothing to say, not very good for a discussion.

Sorry, I think she was joking though. As for the problem, how long has it been? Do you think the whole thing might just blow over or is the guy a real hard ass when it comes to things like this?

at this point i dont really care, he drew the lines and i make an effort not to go where im not wanted, so i will fight for my money back, but i dont care about going anymore, it sucks that i can't do DnD, but i dont tolerate being treated like that by anyone, much less a 40 year old man who still plays with dolls, and lets face it, thats mainly what warhammer and the like is

 

[SmilingKitsune]

at this point i dont really care, he drew the lines and i make an effort not to go where im not wanted, so i will fight for my money back, but i dont care about going anymore, it sucks that i can't do DnD, but i dont tolerate being treated like that by anyone, much less a 40 year old man who still plays with dolls, and lets face it, thats mainly what warhammer and the like is

I'll pretend I didn't hear that jab at warhammer. Anyway if your not planning on returning why not try and get some of the others from you group to meet up somewhere else?

 

[Therumancer]

Without some kind of verifyable agreement in writing you don't have a legal leg to stand on.

As far as the rest of the situation, I have no idea what was said or done beforehand, or what he wanted the larger room for. Honestly though it DOES seem to me that he's offering you one heck of a deal on the space and that your being a bit ungrateful since he moved you for that one session. I probably would have only made an issue out of it if he did it regularly and you were having trouble fitting all of your game buddies in.

Really, it's hard to make a call on such a situation over the Internet.

As far as why he felt the need to call the police immediatly, well that part confuses me. I'm wondering what his side of the story is and why he jumped to such an action.

>>>----Therumancer--->

 

[sorry user name taken.]

A. Meh


B.Meh


C. meh

These here be true words of wisdom .

ah! kind sir your avatar has changed =D!


And no not really just thought i'd add my thoughts on that matter...i think the question should be ''is anything actually fair?'' =/

that to would also be answered by

A. Meh

B. Meh

C. Meh

 

[Syndef]

You should fire-bomb his store.


No, don't.
If he's just a 40 year old man that plays with dolls, then you should have no trouble talking things over with him. At this point, it's not about the money, but it's about the attitude you were given. The problem is if you go back and talk to him, you'll be stirring up trouble, and that's no good.
Or maybe you can give the PMS'ing wuss a break and forget about it entirely and go some place else. Hey, I know it's $20 a year, but once you give it some thought, it's really insignificant to the amount you spend on food, gas, and rent anyway.

The best suggestion I can give you:
Why don't you host the games at your own house (or someone else's)? That way you'll have a free, reliable, quiet, and comfortable place to play. As for food and drinks, everyone can bring something. It'll be just like a party. Perhaps your banning from Mr. Plays-with-Dolls' store is a blessing in disguise.

 

[SmilingKitsune]

A. Meh


B.Meh


C. meh

These here be true words of wisdom .

ah! kind sir your avatar has changed =D!


And no not really just thought i'd add my thoughts on that matter...i think the question should be ''is anything actually fair?'' =/

that to would also be answered by

A. Meh

B. Meh

C. Meh

Lost a little faith in humanity and the world in general?

 

[sorry user name taken.]

A. Meh


B.Meh


C. meh

These here be true words of wisdom .

ah! kind sir your avatar has changed =D!


And no not really just thought i'd add my thoughts on that matter...i think the question should be ''is anything actually fair?'' =/

that to would also be answered by

A. Meh

B. Meh

C. Meh

Lost a little faith in humanity and the world in general?

i guess it looks that way

 

[Lord_Ascendant]

that....stink.....sorry for you.

 

[SmilingKitsune]

i guess it looks that way

Maybe just a little bit. *hugs Rachel* internet hugs make everything better .

 

[sorry user name taken.]

i guess it looks that way

Maybe just a little bit. *hugs Rachel* internet hugs make everything better .

you should hug him also lol

 

[SmilingKitsune]

i guess it looks that way

Maybe just a little bit. *hugs Rachel* internet hugs make everything better .

you should hug him also lol

Eh, he seems a bit grumpy, hugging grumpy people can be a bit dangerous.

 

[Wyatt]

Without some kind of verifyable agreement in writing you don't have a legal leg to stand on.

this isnt totaly true. we are talking about a Small Claims Court issue here, and the laws on these kinds of issues arent hard core set in stone. its the reason that TV shows like "judge Judy" can even work at all.

now im admiting flat out that most of what im talking about COMES from taht very source, (Judge Judy) but ive seen more than one time when there WAS a written contract and she ruled against it, and again more than once when there wasnt nothing more 'firm' than a simple verbal agreement and she ruled FOR it. its all in the details of the case.

it seems to me that with a room full of people that are charged a fixed rate per session, and these people can testify that jockstrap WAS a regular player for 2 years than from a simple who owes who what standpoint, the fact taht the owner charges, and that all these people pay and this kid HAS played for years than there is no doubt that on the basic face of the 'facts' that the kid has presneted hes owed a refund on the ballance he paid that he now doesnt get to use. ESPECIALY if the KID chose to simply pay in advance and it wasnt and it wasnt part of a long term deal.

if the usual business was to pay as you go, than the kid paid in advance there was no contract that would preclude his getting his cash back. if it was a case of the owner accepting payment as you go but ALSO setting up a long term payment plan that said something like .......... if you pay a year in advance you get a discount, than THOSE terms would govern this. in any event its seldom that ive ever seen 'judge judy' rule that anyone is entitled to keep cash for services NOT provided. if the kid paid on January 1st for the year and the owner booted him on January 2nd even WITH cause the ruling is generaly a refund. the only way the owner gets to keep the cash is if he can show that hes actualy out of pocket like the kid broke a widow or something. and even in cases like THAT the owner doesnt just get to keep the cash, his proper course of action is to file his OWN small claims case to recoup the cost of the window.

nope, i cant think of any way that the owner gets to keep the cash for a service he didnt provide even if it IS only $20. as long as you can prove that the kid paid , the kids entitled to his cash back. and from what im reading here, even if the other players dont agree to 'stand up' to the owner. all the kid would really need to do is to establish taht the owner charges for renting the rooms and that he was THERE playing for 2 years, for any judge to say there is no fucking way in HELL that an owner is gunna pick this one kid out of who knows how many and just let him show up and play WITHOUT charging him when he clearly charges everyone ELSE. the owner could flat out lie and said the kid never paid him anything, but as long as the owner charges OTHER people for the same service that the kid was getting than the judges next question would be "why let THIS kid play for free when you charge everyone else?" and the 'ring of truth' would sound and the Judge would relize that the owner is lieing and make him refund the cash.

there is alot of freedom allowed in small claims courts for judges to make common sence rulings. this is EXACTLY one of those kinds of cases. unless this kid went totaly of the rails and started a fire in the basment or pulled a gun than the kids entitled to his cash back. and if he DID go off the rails it wouldnt be a small claims court case it would be before a law judge and the kid would be looking at jail time.

in any case its prolly best to get the parents involved. not just because im assuming that jockstrap is just a 'punk kid' but because all to many times the ADULTS in these kinds of situations use THEIR age and authority to abuse kids. as i say, the owner might be used to bullying kids, but dealing with other adults is a whole nother matter. if hes an asshole to the parents than it DOES become about more than just the $20 then. it becomes about putting this fucktard in his place and make him understand that if you dont like kids thats one thing, but you dont get to build a business on things kids like than take advantage of their youth to bully and extort them.

in any event im struck by the fact that even if the kid was a TOTAL smart ass punk than what the owner SHOULD have done was just give him his $20 and told him to drag his ass. the owner IS after all the adult. and i dont know exactly WHERE this took place, but alot of areas in America dont allow adults to make contracts with children at all ever for any reason. depending on where this took place even if they HAD a contract than it wouldnt be valid since adults cant make binding contracts with children. in fact the more i think about this the more im pretty sure im right. the owner can sell him a service like the use of a room for $3 for a fixed ammount of time, but he cant make a long term contract like allowing this kid to pay in advance for a year. thats not a service fee, its an actual CONTRACT and most places dont let kids do that with adults. it would be like the difference between charging a kid a quarter to use a pay phone and trying to get him to sign up for a 1 year cell phone contract.

the more i think the more sure i am that even if this kid was the biggest asshole to come down the pike in ages, he STILL just a kid and the adult owner should know better.

 

[jockslap]

You should fire-bomb his store.


No, don't.
If he's just a 40 year old man that plays with dolls, then you should have no trouble talking things over with him. At this point, it's not about the money, but it's about the attitude you were given. The problem is if you go back and talk to him, you'll be stirring up trouble, and that's no good.
Or maybe you can give the PMS'ing wuss a break and forget about it entirely and go some place else. Hey, I know it's $20 a year, but once you give it some thought, it's really insignificant to the amount you spend on food, gas, and rent anyway.

The best suggestion I can give you:
Why don't you host the games at your own house (or someone else's)? That way you'll have a free, reliable, quiet, and comfortable place to play. As for food and drinks, everyone can bring something. It'll be just like a party. Perhaps your banning from Mr. Plays-with-Dolls' store is a blessing in disguise.

im Thinking that, but after some pondering i have discovered my solution, I asked a couple friends and a few seem to wanna do a dungeon delve campaign, including the DM for the campaign i was playing in before the most recent events. I intend to banish my balls for a little bit and pretend to be sorry and see if i can't get back into the campaign, and if not im still going to be DMing my own as well as playing another bi-weekly that i was already a part of, which will be going from Battlegrounds to my house because the players there actually care.

 

[jockslap]

Spoiler

Without some kind of verifyable agreement in writing you don't have a legal leg to stand on.

this isnt totaly true. we are talking about a Small Claims Court issue here, and the laws on these kinds of issues arent hard core set in stone. its the reason that TV shows like "judge Judy" can even work at all.

now im admiting flat out that most of what im talking about COMES from taht very source, (Judge Judy) but ive seen more than one time when there WAS a written contract and she ruled against it, and again more than once when there wasnt nothing more 'firm' than a simple verbal agreement and she ruled FOR it. its all in the details of the case.

it seems to me that with a room full of people that are charged a fixed rate per session, and these people can testify that jockstrap WAS a regular player for 2 years than from a simple who owes who what standpoint, the fact taht the owner charges, and that all these people pay and this kid HAS played for years than there is no doubt that on the basic face of the 'facts' that the kid has presneted hes owed a refund on the ballance he paid that he now doesnt get to use. ESPECIALY if the KID chose to simply pay in advance and it wasnt and it wasnt part of a long term deal.

if the usual business was to pay as you go, than the kid paid in advance there was no contract that would preclude his getting his cash back. if it was a case of the owner accepting payment as you go but ALSO setting up a long term payment plan that said something like .......... if you pay a year in advance you get a discount, than THOSE terms would govern this. in any event its seldom that ive ever seen 'judge judy' rule that anyone is entitled to keep cash for services NOT provided. if the kid paid on January 1st for the year and the owner booted him on January 2nd even WITH cause the ruling is generaly a refund. the only way the owner gets to keep the cash is if he can show that hes actualy out of pocket like the kid broke a widow or something. and even in cases like THAT the owner doesnt just get to keep the cash, his proper course of action is to file his OWN small claims case to recoup the cost of the window.

nope, i cant think of any way that the owner gets to keep the cash for a service he didnt provide even if it IS only $20. as long as you can prove that the kid paid , the kids entitled to his cash back. and from what im reading here, even if the other players dont agree to 'stand up' to the owner. all the kid would really need to do is to establish taht the owner charges for renting the rooms and that he was THERE playing for 2 years, for any judge to say there is no fucking way in HELL that an owner is gunna pick this one kid out of who knows how many and just let him show up and play WITHOUT charging him when he clearly charges everyone ELSE. the owner could flat out lie and said the kid never paid him anything, but as long as the owner charges OTHER people for the same service that the kid was getting than the judges next question would be "why let THIS kid play for free when you charge everyone else?" and the 'ring of truth' would sound and the Judge would relize that the owner is lieing and make him refund the cash.

there is alot of freedom allowed in small claims courts for judges to make common sence rulings. this is EXACTLY one of those kinds of cases. unless this kid went totaly of the rails and started a fire in the basment or pulled a gun than the kids entitled to his cash back. and if he DID go off the rails it wouldnt be a small claims court case it would be before a law judge and the kid would be looking at jail time.

in any case its prolly best to get the parents involved. not just because im assuming that jockstrap is just a 'punk kid' but because all to many times the ADULTS in these kinds of situations use THEIR age and authority to abuse kids. as i say, the owner might be used to bullying kids, but dealing with other adults is a whole nother matter. if hes an asshole to the parents than it DOES become about more than just the $20 then. it becomes about putting this fucktard in his place and make him understand that if you dont like kids thats one thing, but you dont get to build a business on things kids like than take advantage of their youth to bully and extort them.

in any event im struck by the fact that even if the kid was a TOTAL smart ass punk than what the owner SHOULD have done was just give him his $20 and told him to drag his ass. the owner IS after all the adult. and i dont know exactly WHERE this took place, but alot of areas in America dont allow adults to make contracts with children at all ever for any reason. depending on where this took place even if they HAD a contract than it wouldnt be valid since adults cant make binding contracts with children. in fact the more i think about this the more im pretty sure im right. the owner can sell him a service like the use of a room for $3 for a fixed ammount of time, but he cant make a long term contract like allowing this kid to pay in advance for a year. thats not a service fee, its an actual CONTRACT and most places dont let kids do that with adults. it would be like the difference between charging a kid a quarter to use a pay phone and trying to get him to sign up for a 1 year cell phone contract.

the more i think the more sure i am that even if this kid was the biggest asshole to come down the pike in ages, he STILL just a kid and the adult owner should know better.

i feel as if im being talked down to, just because im young doesn't mean that i dont grasp the concept of trade. If I am supposed to be paying him for a service, the service needs to stay the same, otherwise the price should accomodate the change in service. I went from paying 20$ for a year long membership with 3$ per week for the exclusive access to the room. Once we lost exclusive access to the room, which is what we where paying for, why should i pay to rent the space? My membership already covers me just being there, the 3$ per session was purely for the space.

 

[AceDefective]

I have an online one with my cousin and 2 of my friends we are on a quest to find the gold doughnut key to open the lair of the golden dragon that breaths bubbles made of acid (made up story) it pretty fun just my cousin is almost dead from psychotic drug addict from the back ally of a street

 

[jockslap]

I have an online one with my cousin and 2 of my friends we are on a quest to find the gold doughnut key to open the lair of the golden dragon that breaths bubbles made of acid (made up story) it pretty fun just my cousin is almost dead from psychotic drug addict from the back ally of a street

SCURVY BEAM!

(sorry)

 

[Booze Zombie]

40 year old dolly lovers are known to be touchy morons. I would suggest you just put a shed up in your back garden and just play DnD in there.