I'm not calling the graphics bad, I'm saying they made the graphics with the design for a close up look at a high-res computer monitor, rather than a tv. There's no shame in it in itself, but they barely bother to change the look to compensate a television. It's not impossible. Fallout and Oblivion had pretty great graphics all around.Doug said:Indeed, because they don't want to charge a fortune for the updates like XBox live wants them too (I don't know about the PS3 network).Lukeje said:No, you've got it the wrong way round. The console manufacturers hate Valve.
However, for XBox 360 at least they've finally managed to convince Microsoft to let the consolers have it for free. I don't know about any matchmaker service, as you can still get the server lists on PC if you de-select the option.
To be honest, people always say that, and I have to think to myself "Huh?". Ok, its not as good as Killzone 2 or Crysis, but its far from "obsolete", to me at least.Flishiz said:... (considering their graphics, and even some maps, are far obsolete at release)...
You mean the same way they were coming last year? I fell for valves trap, they'll release shit console versions, make the game faster on slower machines, then you will be suckered in to buying the PC version.Johnn Johnston said:Besides, the TF2 updates are reportedly coming soon to consoles.
Ok. I've not played/seen the console version, so I didn't know it didn't look as good on the big screen. Maybe when they release the big update, it'll fix that.Flishiz said:I'm not calling the graphics bad, I'm saying they made the graphics with the design for a close up look at a high-res computer monitor, rather than a tv. There's no shame in it in itself, but they barely bother to change the look to compensate a television. It's not impossible. Fallout and Oblivion had pretty great graphics all around.Doug said:Indeed, because they don't want to charge a fortune for the updates like XBox live wants them too (I don't know about the PS3 network).Lukeje said:No, you've got it the wrong way round. The console manufacturers hate Valve.
However, for XBox 360 at least they've finally managed to convince Microsoft to let the consolers have it for free. I don't know about any matchmaker service, as you can still get the server lists on PC if you de-select the option.
To be honest, people always say that, and I have to think to myself "Huh?". Ok, its not as good as Killzone 2 or Crysis, but its far from "obsolete", to me at least.Flishiz said:... (considering their graphics, and even some maps, are far obsolete at release)...
I remember hearing about that a while back, and I'm inclined to think it was BS from valve in order to make more money while blaming microsoft. All 360 games get free updates, and lots of games also have free DLC including big titles like bioshock. While im sure MS wants them to charge so they get money its the developers who set the prices. I have a hard time believing that valve is the only company MS is forcing to charge for dlcthe monopoly guy said:Well, here's the thing. Microsoft is making Valve charge users for the updates, or DLC. So instead of frequently release class updates each time, they are realeasing several at once so players don't have to keep buying each one.
Free updates, yes.Squarewave said:I remember hearing about that a while back, and I'm inclined to think it was BS from valve in order to make more money while blaming microsoft. All 360 games get free updates, and lots of games also have free DLC including big titles like bioshock. While im sure MS wants them to charge so they get money its the developers who set the prices. I have a hard time believing that valve is the only company MS is forcing to charge for dlcthe monopoly guy said:Well, here's the thing. Microsoft is making Valve charge users for the updates, or DLC. So instead of frequently release class updates each time, they are realeasing several at once so players don't have to keep buying each one.
This answer is the most consistent with what I've heard thus far. Microsoft's tight control over it's digital marketplace limits what developers can do in terms of giving away downloadable content.IsoNeko said:It's an issue with Microsoft. Valve WANT to give the updates, but Microsoft won't allow them. That and they hate PS3. Gabe even said soSICK0_ZER0 said:look at the updates for TF2 on xbox compared to that of its pc counterpart...![]()
QFTcherimoya said:almost every other developer ports their biggest games from console to PC but when one notable developer continues to do it the other way around people wonder if that developer "hates" consoles?
makes me giggle a bit.
That way you have more time to think the ways you going to kill him.miracleofsound said:I hate Valve... and i love them... but I hate them for making me wait so long to hurt that advisor...
Hmm whichever is the slowest and most painful way.oliveira8 said:That way you have more time to think the ways you going to kill him.miracleofsound said:I hate Valve... and i love them... but I hate them for making me wait so long to hurt that advisor...
Actually, you're wrong. L4D on the 360 is getting the two additional campaigns for free, just like the PC.Doug said:Free updates, yes.Squarewave said:I remember hearing about that a while back, and I'm inclined to think it was BS from valve in order to make more money while blaming microsoft. All 360 games get free updates, and lots of games also have free DLC including big titles like bioshock. While im sure MS wants them to charge so they get money its the developers who set the prices. I have a hard time believing that valve is the only company MS is forcing to charge for dlcthe monopoly guy said:Well, here's the thing. Microsoft is making Valve charge users for the updates, or DLC. So instead of frequently release class updates each time, they are realeasing several at once so players don't have to keep buying each one.
Free content packs, no.