You know we invented police for this exact reason, so they could do the things you need them to do. Not murder, though I have heard great things about jail. Call the cops already.
Met a guy in Uni who said he'd had this problem. Asked the cops how to avoid trouble if they went at a home invader again. Apparently the police said that you can use a bat if you hold it the wrong way around. Shows that you were in a rush and panic. But that's what he said, and I wouldn't call his word law.ThatPurpleGuy said:Here in Australia the laws are pretty bad against defending yourself or property. I believe there have been cases where someone has broken into someones house, the owner took to him with a baseball bat and he then gets damages against him for 'unreasonable force'...its just dumb.
Um, I'm sorry, but you are actually being serious? Are you really talking about possibly killing these guys if they carry on knocking your friend about? Or do you mean that she could kill one or both in self defence if they attack her again? Either way, violence and murder is not the answer. And you are pretty fucked up yourself for thinking about this seriously in the first place. No offence meant, of course. I simply say that because it takes a certain kind of mind to think about murder, even in such circumstances, and while I commend you for wanting to protect your friend, your methods are exceptionally wrong and would simply lower you to that person's level instead. Not to mention, if you do go through with killing one or both men, then you are liable to go to jail (or even face the death penalty depending on where you are), and that won't exactly allow you to protect this woman any more, which would be a major issue, especially if you fail to kill one or the other of these two guys.Randy11517 said:If i knock them out and remove that fear element shes worried about temporarily where do i stand? To mad to go looking through legal books for that bit. Cops are no help because its the third time and the cops are idiots where she is. By legality i meant would it be justifiable by some extent.
No, you'd be charged with homicide still. And what would your friend think if you murder her son and her husband, even if they are abusive fucks? This would cause more problems then solve. Get her to contact the police and tell as many people as possible, to vouch for her case.Randy11517 said:So i have a buddy of mine she was in high-school with me and i recently learned her husband is abusing her and so is her son. I need to know fellow escapists. What is the status of killing a 17 YO and his dad if they are beating on a defenseless person?
I mean take the average Dr. Phil battered woman and put surgeon precise bruises, threats over all manner small things, and two men that outweigh her by 200 pounds into the mix and you have the situation.
Seriously though, Whats the legal standpoint for killing them if they start shit again? Would it be justifiable homicide?
I was not meaning to say you were wrong, or even respond specifically to you (still not used to the idea that quoting people sends them a message, sorry), but just pointing out that calling the police is not a very effective means of dealing with the situation. Most likely it will leave OP frustrated and at worst she might receive more abuse because her husband is pissed the cops showed up. Attempting to convince her to call the police or leave is probably much better. Maybe even find her some information on battered women's shelters and give her an idea of her options.Mimssy said:I said proper, not effective. As someone who was abused, the person being abused is the only one can make the decision to leave. Nothing anyone says or does will work until they are ready to get out for themselves. You can try to convince her that she is better than the treatment she is receiving and that there are people who love, care, and worry about her safety and happiness.
Its common. They need proof or evidence and if she doesn't speak up or tells them everything is fine they have little to go on other than someone not there who says something happened (that's called hearsay). Many police officers are actually quite frustrated when they have a feeling that the abuse is real but they have nothing to go on and so can't do anything about it.Paksenarrion said:You've called the police, and they've done nothing? Post the city/department they're from, and you'll get hundreds of responses coming at them, wondering why they're not taking a domestic abuse case seriously.
Really, CAPTCHA? coungled Gender?
Yeah I mean you 'can' defend yourself but the laws here are so convoluded and 'unreasonable force' is up to alot of circumstances..I like that they think in my split second between life and death I have time to consider all the legal ramifications of what may happen.deadman91 said:Met a guy in Uni who said he'd had this problem. Asked the cops how to avoid trouble if they went at a home invader again. Apparently the police said that you can use a bat if you hold it the wrong way around. Shows that you were in a rush and panic. But that's what he said, and I wouldn't call his word law.ThatPurpleGuy said:Here in Australia the laws are pretty bad against defending yourself or property. I believe there have been cases where someone has broken into someones house, the owner took to him with a baseball bat and he then gets damages against him for 'unreasonable force'...its just dumb.
OT: Don't kill them, it's not worth the effort. Talk to the police instead of talking to us.
Quite likely you'll be charged with manslaughter.Randy11517 said:So i have a buddy of mine she was in high-school with me and i recently learned her husband is abusing her and so is her son. I need to know fellow escapists. What is the status of killing a 17 YO and his dad if they are beating on a defenseless person?
I mean take the average Dr. Phil battered woman and put surgeon precise bruises, threats over all manner small things, and two men that outweigh her by 200 pounds into the mix and you have the situation.
Seriously though, Whats the legal standpoint for killing them if they start shit again? Would it be justifiable homicide?