Don't Blame Games, Blame Pants

[TheDoctor455]

But wait a minute...

isn't "pants" a little broad?

Surely they were all wearing a particular kind of pants?

Like say... jeans or slacks?

I doubt many of our psychotic mass murderers went to their shootings wearing sweat-pants, pajama-pants, or track-pants... or any of the sillier, breezier varieties of pants!

So those are safe, right?

 

[lassiie]

I'm actually surprised this childish rubbish was published here. But then i remember that this is a gaming site and that this is probably pretty representative of the community as a whole.

I suppose you're rather pleased with yourself, but this kind of argument/statement brings nothing new to the table, it is neither original nor very constructive. This childish behaviour is like that guy in school who takes his clothes off and streaks in the middle of a serious debate, to the encouraging applause of the equally simpleminded in the audience. Finally something they can understand. Crowdpleasing at it's worst i would say.

You do realize that real people have been killed? People with parents, girlfriends and perhaps children?

Now, you are FULLY entitled to not believe there is a connection between video games and violence, you may very well be right. But the least you can do is respect the debate, because whether you are correct or not, this is a very serious and important debate.

If you're not willing to take the debate seriously, please give the keyboard to someone who is.

The problem with the debate is that instead of focusing on an actual cause of the problem, they try to find something else to blame. It is a waste of time and effort to even acknowledge this debate. Yes, video games are linked to increased AGGRESSION, not violence, or violent behavior. Just like sports, or any other number of competitive activities are linked to increased aggression.

Yes, everyone here realizes that people have been killed, what makes us sad is that instead of looking at the root causes of these events, they try to find a scapegoat that they can point and say "Hey, look at this, its clearly *insert scapegoat here*'s fault!"

http://psychcentral.com/news/2013/08/27/in-new-study-video-games-not-tied-to-violence-in-high-risk-youth/58934.html

The most recent Study I have seen published has in fact shown that video games may have a calming effect on people with certain disorders, such as depression or ADD. This is why this is taken so lightly in the video gaming community

 

[Gronk]

I'm actually surprised this childish rubbish was published here. But then i remember that this is a gaming site and that this is probably pretty representative of the community as a whole.

I suppose you're rather pleased with yourself, but this kind of argument/statement brings nothing new to the table, it is neither original nor very constructive. This childish behaviour is like that guy in school who takes his clothes off and streaks in the middle of a serious debate, to the encouraging applause of the equally simpleminded in the audience. Finally something they can understand. Crowdpleasing at it's worst i would say.

You do realize that real people have been killed? People with parents, girlfriends and perhaps children?

Now, you are FULLY entitled to not believe there is a connection between video games and violence, you may very well be right. But the least you can do is respect the debate, because whether you are correct or not, this is a very serious and important debate.

If you're not willing to take the debate seriously, please give the keyboard to someone who is.

The problem with the debate is that instead of focusing on an actual cause of the problem, they try to find something else to blame. It is a waste of time and effort to even acknowledge this debate. Yes, video games are linked to increased AGGRESSION, not violence, or violent behavior. Just like sports, or any other number of competitive activities are linked to increased aggression.

Yes, everyone here realizes that people have been killed, what makes us sad is that instead of looking at the root causes of these events, they try to find a scapegoat that they can point and say "Hey, look at this, its clearly *insert scapegoat here*'s fault!"

http://psychcentral.com/news/2013/08/27/in-new-study-video-games-not-tied-to-violence-in-high-risk-youth/58934.html

The most recent Study I have seen published has in fact shown that video games may have a calming effect on people with certain disorders, such as depression or ADD. This is why this is taken so lightly in the video gaming community

Like I said earlier, You are entitled to whatever opinion you want, I am not arguing whether the gaming=violence-debate is right or wrong. What I AM saying is that no matter if it is, you should still respect the fact that there is a debate and treat it seriously. If you mock someone and treat them disrespectfully just because you think they are wrong, don't expect them to respect you back.

"But I don't need their respect!" No? Isn't that what the gaming community wants? To be taken seriously by the rest of society? I got that impression, at least when it comes to the more grown up part of the community. That's what I mean when I say that if you can't or won't make a serious contribution to the debate, then please go away, your streaking is ruining it for the rest of us.

And you know what? Pot is calming for everybody, that does not autmatically make it healthy.

 

[lassiie]

I'm actually surprised this childish rubbish was published here. But then i remember that this is a gaming site and that this is probably pretty representative of the community as a whole.

I suppose you're rather pleased with yourself, but this kind of argument/statement brings nothing new to the table, it is neither original nor very constructive. This childish behaviour is like that guy in school who takes his clothes off and streaks in the middle of a serious debate, to the encouraging applause of the equally simpleminded in the audience. Finally something they can understand. Crowdpleasing at it's worst i would say.

You do realize that real people have been killed? People with parents, girlfriends and perhaps children?

Now, you are FULLY entitled to not believe there is a connection between video games and violence, you may very well be right. But the least you can do is respect the debate, because whether you are correct or not, this is a very serious and important debate.

If you're not willing to take the debate seriously, please give the keyboard to someone who is.

The problem with the debate is that instead of focusing on an actual cause of the problem, they try to find something else to blame. It is a waste of time and effort to even acknowledge this debate. Yes, video games are linked to increased AGGRESSION, not violence, or violent behavior. Just like sports, or any other number of competitive activities are linked to increased aggression.

Yes, everyone here realizes that people have been killed, what makes us sad is that instead of looking at the root causes of these events, they try to find a scapegoat that they can point and say "Hey, look at this, its clearly *insert scapegoat here*'s fault!"

http://psychcentral.com/news/2013/08/27/in-new-study-video-games-not-tied-to-violence-in-high-risk-youth/58934.html

The most recent Study I have seen published has in fact shown that video games may have a calming effect on people with certain disorders, such as depression or ADD. This is why this is taken so lightly in the video gaming community

Like I said earlier, You are entitled to whatever opinion you want, I am not arguing whether the gaming=violence-debate is right or wrong. What I AM saying is that no matter if it is, you should still respect the fact that there is a debate and treat it seriously. If you mock someone and treat them disrespectfully just because you think they are wrong, don't expect them to respect you back.

"But I don't need their respect!" No? Isn't that what the gaming community wants? To be taken seriously by the rest of society? I got that impression, at least when it comes to the more grown up part of the community. That's what I mean when I say that if you can't or won't make a serious contribution to the debate, then please go away, your streaking is ruining it for the rest of us.

And you know what? Pot is calming for everybody, that does not autmatically make it healthy.

Did you even look at the article. I will not respect a debate that has ZERO scientific basis. It has nothing to do with me thinking they are wrong. It has to do with scientific proof that they are wrong. It has to do with people looking for scapegoats for problems that actually need to be solved. I will respect debates that are relevant to the current issue, not a debate that has been OVER AND OVER AGAIN proven wrong. I made a very serious contribution to this debate by posting a scientific study that was done by two psychology professors. What should make YOU mad is people trying to shift blame onto video games instead of actually working to find a cause.

As for your last comment. I really hope that wasn't meant to be serious because that has absolutely no correlation with this debate.

 

[Corvo-Attano-77]

"teenage boys under 30"

Wait, what? I know this is satire but what?