Don't hate on FortressCraft just on principle. Please.

[thegermanguy]

ok, you're right. I mean, good ideas do get copied all the time. Sometimes with very good results. For example, god of war did not invent the idea of quick time events, but did a great job with them.

I think this game can be a great opportunity for xbox-gamers to experience a minecraft-esque sandbox game.

And hey, Minecraft is updated almost weekly and still in beta! That means, all the good ideas from FortressCraft could also be included...

 

[emion]

saw this documentary about the minecraft creatures on gametrailers.com and Im pretty sure they don't have the capacity to make it a console game. they are like 8 people and they have to (more or less) start from scratch. which would have taken as long time as making the pc version right???

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/documentary-kickstarter-minecraft/710787

 

[Lucifron]

yeah, fortresscraft looks almost EXACTLY like Minecraft, but why can't we look at it as being "inspired by" instead of "ripping off of" minecraft?

Please tell me that you are fucking kidding. For the love of humankind, our solar system, our galaxy, our universe, and all that is beautiful, tell me that you are kidding.

[small]Please.[/small]

Spoiler: Guess not.

If Dragon Age is not a rip-off of Dungeons and Dragons, if Medal of Honor is not a rip-off of Call of Duty, if Duke Nukem is not a rip-off of Wolfenstein, then FortressCraft is not a rip-off of Minecraft.

AAAAH! What in the seven hells are you on!?!?!? The game is called FORTRESSCRAFT! They copied. every. single. fucking. feature. and. idea. and. changed. a. single. word. IN. ITS. FUCKING. TITLE!

The original intent of these people was to create a DwarfFortress-ish game. They got stuck in development. Can you guess what they did in order to relocate their muse?

They played a shit-ton of MineCraft.

This is not an homage. This is not an act of inspiration. This raw, back-to-basics plagiarism in order to take advantage of an empty niche in the market. (Which is not the issue here.)

Your examples are unfit. Your logic is hugely flawed. Medal of Honor was originally released long before Call of Duty. Stop kidding this forum and yourself.

Good day.

 

[Codeknight]

snip*

The problem people have with Fortresscraft isn't that it it takes minecraft's concept and tries to make it their own, they aren't. It's that it is almost an exact copy of minecraft, literally block by block.

As for minecraft not being made for any consols, do you have any idea how much work a game takes to make? Not to mention how few are working on it. I have no doubt a console version was discussed at Mojang, maybe they even planed for it. Look at linerider, that game has been out for a long time and is incredibly simple. how long did it take to come out on the ds? How long do you think it would take for a few guys to port a game that's not even finished yet to a console?

The general argument against people pointing out things like this is "[game] is just a copy of [somewhat similar game]. [another game] is just a copy of [less similar game]" with the list getting more obviously pulled out of their a**es, "Every game is just a copy of pong" comes to mind. The thing is, when a game takes an idea and takes it in a different direction, THATS when progress is made. do you think we'd be anywhere if everyone after pong saw how popular it was so they all made variations of tennis?

As for games that are the same but don't really get ripped on, like pretty much all fpses, if you have your own story to tell and are changing graphics around at least then it's fine. Sure the core mechanics are copied but threw a different story they can be explored in new ways. In a game like minecraft where there is no story a copy also with no story, or a story shoehorned in, doesn't do anything to improve it. Sure there are now HD graphics but does that really change much? In my opinion it makes the game less appealing and that's about it.

Wow, lots o' text there. Heh.

[/rant]

 

[Zhukov]

This isn't about console/PC wars or elitism. At least not for me.

It's about the shameless ripping off of established successes.

Hell, I don't even particularly like Minecraft and this still annoys me.

 

[teebeeohh]

if only the internet would have been this far along when doom was released, we could have had the same debate over 17 years ago

 

[SilverUchiha]

70-30 Pc-console gamer here. Let me just say that I have been avoiding minecraft simply because it looks like a game that would eat up more time than I have available to waste. I barely have time to play any of my other games, let alone something as big as this. Plus... kinda not interested in it.

And as to OP's comment about his example of, "Dragon Age is a rip-off of D&D". That is a very faulty statement because there were many other D&D based games that came out long before DA. Neverwinter Nights is a relatively recent example. On top of that, straight D&D has always been better because no games have yet to let me play as either a half-dragon race or a dragon shaman. I assume this is because of racism against Dragons or something, but whatever. Point is I haven't seen a rip-off of D&D because nothing allows for nearly as much freedom as the original product did in terms of character design.

 

[jaketheripper]

The second (and according to the developer, primary) influence is Dwarf Fortress. And I could really get behind a Dwarf Fortress-esque game with Minecraft style er... crafting.

As far as I know, Minecraft is already drawing inspiration from Dwarf Fortress. So isn't that a bit tautological?

I'm actually planning on trying Dwarf Fortress, just as soon as I get bored of Minecraft

Well, you know... if it was on a system I owned or something.

This. Just this. Why not make it for PS3 and/or Wii while you're at it? I mean, there's twice as many people on PSN, and that's 3x the profit.

after speaking to a few actual developers, they say that the tools used for making games on the PS3 and the process you have to go through to get those games published is VERY unfriendly and just (overall) usually not worth it.

id get it, and i think quite a few other people would, three dollars for a game similar to a 10$(maybe its $20 now?) game, fuck yea, plus my computer is full of viruses and is a pain

 

[TerranReaper]

It's funny how people claim clones like this don't progress the industry at all, but the fact that competition between developers saying "I can do better" has led to certain genres becoming better as a result instead of it stagnating. I'm hoping Fortresscraft succeeds to some degree, so Notch will realize he needs to get off his lazy ass and start actually putting out content that isn't just reskinned blocks and taking mods from the community into his updates. Although I might as well not say anything, considering reasoning and logic are missing from the Notch Defense Force.

 

[GeorgW]

The problem is that the only way to hate it is by principle. And I really feel I should hate on it. Minecraft is great cuz it's innovative, indie, cute and cheap. Sure it stole it all, but it did it cuz they wanted to make a great game.
Fortresscraft completely copied Minecraft, not to make a good game, but to get money. The only thing it improves upon is the price, and that's not a good thing. Just wait for them to port minecraft to consoles.
Another thing MC is superior in is community feedback. Mojang actually listens to their fans, I don't know many devs that do, and it's an incredibly important quality.

And stop complaining that it's PC exclusive. I have a piece of $hit PC and even I can play it. I don't, mind you. I just dislike this out of principle, not cuz I'm some MC fanboy.

I love Minecraft, but my puny computer can barley handle it with the render distance on small, so if FortressCraft would come to the PS3, I'd get it.

support the guy making it and he'll bring it on over

This is just more proof that the developer of FC is just a money hungry thief.

 

[Shycte]

Mad, mad everywhere.

The Notch Defense Force needs to get over themself. If this matters so much to them, it's just sad.

 

[webby]

Can't we just be satisfied that Fortresscraft will never be Minecraft, and Minecraft will always be Minecraft. Fortresscraft is a cheap ripoff of Minecraft now, but may change to be something better, but for $3 a download, it probably won't.

Can't we just be satisfied that Minecraft will never have the potential of FortressCraft, and will always just be Minecraft? Fortresscraft is a higher-quality version of Minecraft now, but is very rapidly being developed into something way better -and for only $3 a download, who can resist?

Me?? Yeah, I'm almost certain I can resist.

To get the disclaimer out of the way, I do not now own, nor do I intend to purchase Minecraft or FortressCraft. I play games on a fairly equal split between consoles and PC and really don't care about Notch, a lawsuit or games of this ilk.

A few of your arguments seem baseless though. Claiming that people are just mad because they've paid more for MC seems to be making rash assumptions. Think about if Nissan stole a massively popular Ferrari design, altered it slightly (but not enough that you couldn't tell it's origins) and then sold it for less to the Japanese market before the Italians could get theirs shipped. Even if the Ferrari was based on a different car, the Ferrari is what made that design desirable to the market and therefore earnt its right to its market share. Regardless of why people are mad (or at least why you think people are mad) the fact remains that they took advantage of a situation. Admirable in business terms I guess but frowned upon from an artistic point of view.

As for the assertion that FC is currently better than MC, where is the evidence for that? All I've seen in something that looked identical but with lots of 2D things running around not really doing much. As for the claim that FC has a much greater potential I am again sceptical. It may reach a greater audience but PC gaming pretty much always has the edge on mod support so claiming its potential is greater is an argument with its foundation on shaky ground.

To be even more honest, I kinda see MC and Farmville as 2 different sides of the same coin. Not in game type, creators, artistic merit, audience or anything like that, just that they are 2 games that lots of people enjoy that I simply could never get in to. I say this to explain that I was more than willing to give this game a chance to see what it had to offer, all I saw was a cash in like all those Dan Brown rip-offs that came out around the time of the Da Vinci Code. Sure, they had new characters, setting and plot but they were still blatant rip-offs designed to gain financially from someone elses success. Sure, MC may have taken inspiration from other areas just like Dan Brown did, but they are the things that made that kind of entertainment mainstream.

 

[Wicky_42]

FortressCraft is very different than Minecraft. It has a mob system in which groups of enemies follow you around, a more "survivalist" and "simulator" approach where you HAVE to build a fortress (hence the name "fortresscraft") in order to defend yourself from the mobs and build up the resources within, and especially the fact that you can recruit NPCs to help you, that Minecraft does not. I very much enjoyed innovations such as a more streamlined user interface and simpler gameplay that's more user-friendly, as well as the addition of the use of your own customized avatar (which is your xbox avatar).

satisfied?

Thank you! Someone finally made the only real point in Fortresscraft's defence. Now if only all those arguing about it would learn this, and the guy making it would promote its differences a little, we could see this little flame war die down :/

 

[C.S.Strowbridge]

Can't we just be satisfied that Fortresscraft will never be Minecraft, and Minecraft will always be Minecraft. Fortresscraft is a cheap ripoff of Minecraft now, but may change to be something better, but for $3 a download, it probably won't.

Can't we just be satisfied that Minecraft will never have the potential of FortressCraft, and will always just be Minecraft? Fortresscraft is a higher-quality version of Minecraft now, but is very rapidly being developed into something way better -and for only $3 a download, who can resist?

Can you back up your claims? What does Fortresscraft have that Minecraft doesn't? Compare and contrast the two.

Such claims have no real backup. Mojang has big plans for the future of minecraft I'm sure, they ripped it off far too early, and it will never have the following minecraft has.

Try not to feed the trolls strowbridge. It's nobody's fault but theirs that they can't afford $20

I'm very curious about the real differences, outside of the HD graphics. (HD graphics with Minecraft make me giggle. It seems so pointless.)

As far as I can tell, it boils down to more aggressive MOB AI and the ability to recruit NPCs. (If he's using custom avatar as a selling point, he's delusional.) Considering some of the planned updates to MC, I don't see this as a real benefit.

But seriously, if someone likes Fortresscraft, tells us why instead of calling us haters.

 

[La Barata]

If this guy has to write a 10 paragraph essay on why his game ISN'T minecraft, it's minecraft.

 

[lacktheknack]

I only have two issues with this...

1. Notch CAN'T take them to consoles, because A. it's incomplete, and B. it's done in Java, speaking of informing yourself...

2. Absolutely everything I saw in the trailer looked like a copy/paste. A mean, a minecart going down a track made of bookshelves? That's not inspiration, that's plagiarism. I don't mind this bit very much, though, because everyone knows where it came from.

it LOOKS like a copy/paste, but you got to think about for a bit... this guy had to build the game ALL OVER AGAIN from scratch. he didn't just "copy, paste" the code since it was scripted in Java, he had to take all the elements and put them in himself using his own code to re-create it.

it's not plagiarism if you're not copying it word for word, or in this case... "line of code for line of code"

Sure, but if they wanted to avoid "COPYCAT!", then they shouldn't have used the bookshelf-minecart thing. That never existed until Minecraft. Why couldn't they focus more on the differences, like recruit-able NPCs?