Don't hate on FortressCraft just on principle. Please.

[teebeeohh]

if only the internet would have been this far along when doom was released, we could have had the same debate over 17 years ago

 

[SilverUchiha]

70-30 Pc-console gamer here. Let me just say that I have been avoiding minecraft simply because it looks like a game that would eat up more time than I have available to waste. I barely have time to play any of my other games, let alone something as big as this. Plus... kinda not interested in it.

And as to OP's comment about his example of, "Dragon Age is a rip-off of D&D". That is a very faulty statement because there were many other D&D based games that came out long before DA. Neverwinter Nights is a relatively recent example. On top of that, straight D&D has always been better because no games have yet to let me play as either a half-dragon race or a dragon shaman. I assume this is because of racism against Dragons or something, but whatever. Point is I haven't seen a rip-off of D&D because nothing allows for nearly as much freedom as the original product did in terms of character design.

 

[jaketheripper]

The second (and according to the developer, primary) influence is Dwarf Fortress. And I could really get behind a Dwarf Fortress-esque game with Minecraft style er... crafting.

As far as I know, Minecraft is already drawing inspiration from Dwarf Fortress. So isn't that a bit tautological?

I'm actually planning on trying Dwarf Fortress, just as soon as I get bored of Minecraft

Well, you know... if it was on a system I owned or something.

This. Just this. Why not make it for PS3 and/or Wii while you're at it? I mean, there's twice as many people on PSN, and that's 3x the profit.

after speaking to a few actual developers, they say that the tools used for making games on the PS3 and the process you have to go through to get those games published is VERY unfriendly and just (overall) usually not worth it.

id get it, and i think quite a few other people would, three dollars for a game similar to a 10$(maybe its $20 now?) game, fuck yea, plus my computer is full of viruses and is a pain

 

[TerranReaper]

It's funny how people claim clones like this don't progress the industry at all, but the fact that competition between developers saying "I can do better" has led to certain genres becoming better as a result instead of it stagnating. I'm hoping Fortresscraft succeeds to some degree, so Notch will realize he needs to get off his lazy ass and start actually putting out content that isn't just reskinned blocks and taking mods from the community into his updates. Although I might as well not say anything, considering reasoning and logic are missing from the Notch Defense Force.

 

[GeorgW]

The problem is that the only way to hate it is by principle. And I really feel I should hate on it. Minecraft is great cuz it's innovative, indie, cute and cheap. Sure it stole it all, but it did it cuz they wanted to make a great game.
Fortresscraft completely copied Minecraft, not to make a good game, but to get money. The only thing it improves upon is the price, and that's not a good thing. Just wait for them to port minecraft to consoles.
Another thing MC is superior in is community feedback. Mojang actually listens to their fans, I don't know many devs that do, and it's an incredibly important quality.

And stop complaining that it's PC exclusive. I have a piece of $hit PC and even I can play it. I don't, mind you. I just dislike this out of principle, not cuz I'm some MC fanboy.

I love Minecraft, but my puny computer can barley handle it with the render distance on small, so if FortressCraft would come to the PS3, I'd get it.

support the guy making it and he'll bring it on over

This is just more proof that the developer of FC is just a money hungry thief.

 

[Shycte]

Mad, mad everywhere.

The Notch Defense Force needs to get over themself. If this matters so much to them, it's just sad.

 

[webby]

Can't we just be satisfied that Fortresscraft will never be Minecraft, and Minecraft will always be Minecraft. Fortresscraft is a cheap ripoff of Minecraft now, but may change to be something better, but for $3 a download, it probably won't.

Can't we just be satisfied that Minecraft will never have the potential of FortressCraft, and will always just be Minecraft? Fortresscraft is a higher-quality version of Minecraft now, but is very rapidly being developed into something way better -and for only $3 a download, who can resist?

Me?? Yeah, I'm almost certain I can resist.

To get the disclaimer out of the way, I do not now own, nor do I intend to purchase Minecraft or FortressCraft. I play games on a fairly equal split between consoles and PC and really don't care about Notch, a lawsuit or games of this ilk.

A few of your arguments seem baseless though. Claiming that people are just mad because they've paid more for MC seems to be making rash assumptions. Think about if Nissan stole a massively popular Ferrari design, altered it slightly (but not enough that you couldn't tell it's origins) and then sold it for less to the Japanese market before the Italians could get theirs shipped. Even if the Ferrari was based on a different car, the Ferrari is what made that design desirable to the market and therefore earnt its right to its market share. Regardless of why people are mad (or at least why you think people are mad) the fact remains that they took advantage of a situation. Admirable in business terms I guess but frowned upon from an artistic point of view.

As for the assertion that FC is currently better than MC, where is the evidence for that? All I've seen in something that looked identical but with lots of 2D things running around not really doing much. As for the claim that FC has a much greater potential I am again sceptical. It may reach a greater audience but PC gaming pretty much always has the edge on mod support so claiming its potential is greater is an argument with its foundation on shaky ground.

To be even more honest, I kinda see MC and Farmville as 2 different sides of the same coin. Not in game type, creators, artistic merit, audience or anything like that, just that they are 2 games that lots of people enjoy that I simply could never get in to. I say this to explain that I was more than willing to give this game a chance to see what it had to offer, all I saw was a cash in like all those Dan Brown rip-offs that came out around the time of the Da Vinci Code. Sure, they had new characters, setting and plot but they were still blatant rip-offs designed to gain financially from someone elses success. Sure, MC may have taken inspiration from other areas just like Dan Brown did, but they are the things that made that kind of entertainment mainstream.

 

[Wicky_42]

FortressCraft is very different than Minecraft. It has a mob system in which groups of enemies follow you around, a more "survivalist" and "simulator" approach where you HAVE to build a fortress (hence the name "fortresscraft") in order to defend yourself from the mobs and build up the resources within, and especially the fact that you can recruit NPCs to help you, that Minecraft does not. I very much enjoyed innovations such as a more streamlined user interface and simpler gameplay that's more user-friendly, as well as the addition of the use of your own customized avatar (which is your xbox avatar).

satisfied?

Thank you! Someone finally made the only real point in Fortresscraft's defence. Now if only all those arguing about it would learn this, and the guy making it would promote its differences a little, we could see this little flame war die down :/

 

[C.S.Strowbridge]

Can't we just be satisfied that Fortresscraft will never be Minecraft, and Minecraft will always be Minecraft. Fortresscraft is a cheap ripoff of Minecraft now, but may change to be something better, but for $3 a download, it probably won't.

Can't we just be satisfied that Minecraft will never have the potential of FortressCraft, and will always just be Minecraft? Fortresscraft is a higher-quality version of Minecraft now, but is very rapidly being developed into something way better -and for only $3 a download, who can resist?

Can you back up your claims? What does Fortresscraft have that Minecraft doesn't? Compare and contrast the two.

Such claims have no real backup. Mojang has big plans for the future of minecraft I'm sure, they ripped it off far too early, and it will never have the following minecraft has.

Try not to feed the trolls strowbridge. It's nobody's fault but theirs that they can't afford $20

I'm very curious about the real differences, outside of the HD graphics. (HD graphics with Minecraft make me giggle. It seems so pointless.)

As far as I can tell, it boils down to more aggressive MOB AI and the ability to recruit NPCs. (If he's using custom avatar as a selling point, he's delusional.) Considering some of the planned updates to MC, I don't see this as a real benefit.

But seriously, if someone likes Fortresscraft, tells us why instead of calling us haters.

 

[La Barata]

If this guy has to write a 10 paragraph essay on why his game ISN'T minecraft, it's minecraft.

 

[lacktheknack]

I only have two issues with this...

1. Notch CAN'T take them to consoles, because A. it's incomplete, and B. it's done in Java, speaking of informing yourself...

2. Absolutely everything I saw in the trailer looked like a copy/paste. A mean, a minecart going down a track made of bookshelves? That's not inspiration, that's plagiarism. I don't mind this bit very much, though, because everyone knows where it came from.

it LOOKS like a copy/paste, but you got to think about for a bit... this guy had to build the game ALL OVER AGAIN from scratch. he didn't just "copy, paste" the code since it was scripted in Java, he had to take all the elements and put them in himself using his own code to re-create it.

it's not plagiarism if you're not copying it word for word, or in this case... "line of code for line of code"

Sure, but if they wanted to avoid "COPYCAT!", then they shouldn't have used the bookshelf-minecart thing. That never existed until Minecraft. Why couldn't they focus more on the differences, like recruit-able NPCs?

 

[Veylon]

FortressCraft is very different than Minecraft. It has a mob system in which groups of enemies follow you around, a more "survivalist" and "simulator" approach where you HAVE to build a fortress (hence the name "fortresscraft") in order to defend yourself from the mobs and build up the resources within, and especially the fact that you can recruit NPCs to help you, that Minecraft does not. I very much enjoyed innovations such as a more streamlined user interface and simpler gameplay that's more user-friendly, as well as the addition of the use of your own customized avatar (which is your xbox avatar).

satisfied?

A few nitpicks aside, yeah. This is all I needed. Thank you.

 

[webby]

Since you're about the fifth person to flip the fuck out about that comment, I should probably mention that a) I was making fun of that guy's completely biased and illogical argument -notice how I just copied what he wrote and changed a few things? and b) you people are so goddamn easy. It's pathetic. Someone even mentions FortressCraft and you come flying out of the shrubbery like crazy people.

It is your butthurt that feeds me, gentlemen. It is your rabid fanboyism that gives me power. Your intense and illogical hatred of something that even Notch himself welcomes. This is why you are card-carrying members of the Notch Defense Force, and this alone. Now give me your stength, that I may achieve GODHOOD!

CAPTAIN SCHADENFREUDE, AWAAAAAY!

Way to pick one line from what I said and assume I'm a fanboy of a game I have no intention of ever playing.

 

[rokkolpo]

My laptop can't take Minecraft...DO WANT!

 

[TheAmazingHobo]

I don´t think people should hate this game on principle. From what I read about it, there at least APPEAR to be some genuinly interesting ideas, even if the base is, yes I think using this term is warranted in this context, rather copy-and-pasted from MineCraft.
However, should any of those innovations ever make it into MineCraft, I really hope the developer of this game has the good sense to not whine about it.

Additionally, I think much anger could have been averted, if the dev of this game had shown more humility and respect for his obvious inspiration.

Since you're about the fifth person to flip the fuck out about that comment, I should probably mention that a) I was making fun of that guy's completely biased and illogical argument -notice how I just copied what he wrote and changed a few things? and b) you people are so goddamn easy. It's pathetic. Someone even mentions FortressCraft and you come flying out of the shrubbery like crazy people.

It is your butthurt that feeds me, gentlemen. It is your rabid fanboyism that gives me power. Your intense and illogical hatred of something that even Notch himself welcomes. This is why you are card-carrying members of the Notch Defense Force, and this alone. Now give me your stength, that I may achieve GODHOOD!

CAPTAIN SCHADENFREUDE, AWAAAAAY!

I´m sure it can be very frustrating for you to argue with people who may actually be opposed to this game on pure principle, but
1) I do not believe you are helping to improve the discussion in any way with such a post and
2) to be blunt, to an outside observer, this post makes you look at least as least as ignorant and childish as the "Notch Defense Force" you seem to loathe so much.

 

[Ickorus]

Graphics look pretty crappy to me and it is ripping off Minecraft a lot no matter what way you look at it or try to defend it but I don't give a crap, maybe it'll get Notch to fire off the updates faster.

 

[MrGalactus]

I don't hate on the game, but I do not like that dude at all. He has a minecraft server called F@G that he charges $20 for entry. He also goes on other people's games and whines and trolls like an immature 12 year old. He's a money grubber and a douchebag.

Are there really people out there with Xbox 360s that don't own a computer that can run Minecraft?

Me as soon as I place some anything it freezes. Especially TNT. My computer hates TNT.

 

[C.S.Strowbridge]

I don't hate on the game, but I do not like that dude at all. He has a minecraft server called F@G that he charges $20 for entry. He also goes on other people's games and whines and trolls like an immature 12 year old. He's a money grubber and a douchebag.

Who is doing this? The developer of Fortresscraft?

Are there really people out there with Xbox 360s that don't own a computer that can run Minecraft?

Me as soon as I place some anything it freezes. Especially TNT. My computer hates TNT.

Is there something wrong with your computer? I can literally walk two blocks a pick up a brand new computer for $500 that plays Minecraft. (It doesn't come with a monitor.) If you are willing to go used, you could get one for $300.

 

[Adam28]

Although it is disappointing that Minecraft isn't coming to consoles, I am glad Notch is making a Minecraft for iOS.

 

[RowdyRodimus]

I don't hate on the game, but I do not like that dude at all. He has a minecraft server called F@G that he charges $20 for entry. He also goes on other people's games and whines and trolls like an immature 12 year old. He's a money grubber and a douchebag.

Who is doing this? The developer of Fortresscraft?

Are there really people out there with Xbox 360s that don't own a computer that can run Minecraft?

Me as soon as I place some anything it freezes. Especially TNT. My computer hates TNT.

Is there something wrong with your computer? I can literally walk two blocks a pick up a brand new computer for $500 that plays Minecraft. (It doesn't come with a monitor.) If you are willing to go used, you could get one for $300.

Or pay $3 for FortressCraft on the 360. $300-$500 might not be much to you, but to some people spending that kind of money isn't a solution, especially to play a $20 game. If someone is playing FortressCraft on their 360 it's not going to keep you from playing Minecraft on your PC.

It's like gay marriage, there are so many people against it but what does it hurt your marriage to your wife (assuming you are a guy) if there is a gay couple married down the block? (And this is coming from a Right Wing Conservative Republican, BTW)

Notch has made MILLIONS already off of Minecraft. He has made more than enough to fund updates and will continue getting more customers. The people that buy FortressCraft are purchasing it on a platform that is completely different than what Minecraft is on. Let's say someone buys FortressCraft and likes it so much they want to play a version on their laptop at school or work, what will they do? They'll buy MC. If a person has MC and likes it enough but would rather have it on their big screen TV, they can buy FC on the 360. It's one of the reason competition is good, especially when they are competitors on differing systems. That's not even figuring in what others have said about FC kind of forcing Notch's hand and making MC better to compete with FC and FC having to become better to compete with MC.

If Ford introduces a high end luxury car that retails for $10,000 and people flock to it, Chevy will design a similar car with added features and retail it at $9,500 and people will go to that. Then Ford will do the same thing again to make their car the better value and so on. It's what drives the marketplace and it does nothing but help the consumer.

I think FC is just what was needed to make MC what it had the potential to be instead of just a program to make golden dong statues.

Just my 2 cents worth.