Don't hate on FortressCraft just on principle. Please.

[Zenn3k]

1: This guy in this video actually makes me hate this FortressCraft, when before I didn't really care, this guy is such a douche. Also, NGT are notorious for being cheaters in console games, such as Modern Warfare 2. Oddly enough, cheating on the console (which they do), requires the use of a PC.
2: You don't need a big time PC to play Minecraft, saying "I'm not a PC gamer, so I won't play it" is a really REALLY stupid argument. A basic needs PC can play Minecraft on reasonable settings, no problem.
3: I do think its pretty much a rip-off, and since Minecraft came out first, is supported by a fellow I like (Notch), and only cares about 1 thing really, giving me a fun experience, I will continue to play Minecraft and not purchase FortressCraft. FC is not just a "sort-clone" or the same "style"...its the SAME GAME. I can't make a game 99% identical to another game without them suing the pants off of me, nor should this guy. I'm pretty sure IF Notch sued, which I doubt, he'd probably win.

 

[Vykrel]

i think the fact that they even put "Craft" in the game doesnt give it a leg to stand on.

causes me to lean more towards putting it in the ripoff category, rather than inspiration.

 

[Spark Ignition]

Firstly: I'm a consoler. My laptop cost £250 and shows it, and I'm sure as hell not trying to run triple-A games on it. So I'm not part of the 'elitist pc-regime' that the guy in the video seems to live his life in morbid fear of and in opposition to. And yet while I think it's a good thing that console-only players will finally get a taste of the awesome that is minecraft, I can't help but fear that it will be a dumbed down, all round weak game. I may be wrong. And I'm not saying that cos I'm hating on consoles, I'm saying that because the xbl marketplace has jaded me.

 

[Aiden_the-Joker1]

I don't agree with the first thing this guy says. I must be an anomaly because I am a console gamer who is playing Minecraft on the computer. I also think it is funny that he calls people who say it is a rip off are ignorant then goes on to say that they are all PC elitists. I do feel it is a rip off and his argument that it is taking the idea and adding new features which is what a lot of games do so it is ok. I will be honest whenever I see games that are similar it annoys me.Then the argument that notch took most of the parts of Minecraft from Infinimier. Yes Notch copying game play from an unfinished, unknown game that has its software on line for free. Is the same as that guy(Cannot remember his name) copying most of a game which has sold over 1 million and does not have its software on line for free, adding some new features, taking half of the name and putting it on XBL.

 

[The Lunatic]

The only reason the game is being made is due tot he fact that Minecraft is a popular game.

If minecraft wasn't popular, would this game exist?

I know a lot of people say "Minecraft was inspired by whatever" and yes, it was, however, Notch took that concept and expanded on it.

All we're seeing with Fortress craft is copying, the concept isn't being developed, it's the same concept, same blocks, same mechanics, nothing new, just a straight rip.

 

[Irony's Acolyte]

Well there is inspired by and then there's blatantly ripping off. This game falls into the latter group. If you look at this and Minecraft, you will see very little difference. Some slightly different graphics and maybe a gameplay change here or then and you've got Minecraft (or vice versa). Now this might be fine if Minecraft had been dead (or at least no longer steaming ahead) but it's not. Minecraft has exploded onto the PC scene and has raised alot of people's interest. Then Fortresscraft comes along and decides to make a game that's near identical? Welcome to capitalism, this happens all the time with all sorts of other products.

The only reason why I don't hate the game is because it's for the consoles. Which means it can coexist with Minecraft (PC gamers get Minecraft, Console gamers get Fortresscraft). If it weren't for that though, I'd write off Fortresscraft as a lame attempt at cashing in on the newest "big thing".

 

[Greenansatsu]

OP I'm sorry, at this moment I actually to a point, agreed with you, until I started watching that video you linked, and quite frankly, It angered me so much I slammed my laptop closed so hard it reset.

That guy is the most ignorant big headed wool minded piece of pathetic rotted minded dribble inducing lizard eater I have ever had the ultimate displeasure of seeing in a web video. This is NOT the man you want defending any side of any argument anywhere. He might have said some true and worthwhile things I will never know because I could not be slathered through his hate filled console elitist ignorant babble to actually listen, and I'M A CONSOLE GAMER. That guy is a prime example why there is a feud between any console including the PC because he can't actually seperate himself from the idea that not everyone is out to get him. The people that are angry about minecraft probably don't care at all that its going to Xbox, they care because they are seeing a game they love created by a true independent who practically single handily created a game that sold 1 million copies and continues to strive to make the game better have his work stolen, damn near copied exactly except a texture update and sold!

Would the outcry be as loud if this person wasn't selling it, I doubt it. Hell I bet the outcry wouldn't even be so loud if the game was actually finished, but its in Beta, from what I watched of that video before I exploded in rage, he mentioned that if Notch was such a marketing genius he would have ported to XBOX. However the game is in Beta and we know that XBOX does not allow for free updates or free DLC, IE the Team Fortress fiasco. Perhaps Notch in his quest to make the game the best that he could was waiting until he had an actual FINISHED PRODUCT before he ported to XBOX.

Ok I'm cooling down and my rant is closing, but OP seriously if you want to defend Fortresscraft fine, I agree that its not technically copyright infringement but I do think its deceitful, underhanded, and just an opportunist trying to pad his own wallet, but if you do want to defend it, separate yourself from that egotistical Console elitist bigot or your words will fall on deaf ears my friend.

 

[tycho0042]

not the most friendly sod I've ever seen. but I do think a minecraft-like game on the console is a GREAT idea. I'm not a hardcore gamer for any particular medium(they're all evil corporations out for my money, so why play favorites?) but any chance for everyone to get a style of game like this is a move in the right direction. It seems a shame that notch didn't consider it or decided against it. then again maybe after he makes a bunch more money he might consider an official port of minecraft

 

[zombiesinc]

I haven't played Minecraft yet 'cause it's likely my little 'puter wouldn't be able to run it well. So, I may just try FortressCraft.

That being said I lack any resemblance of a 'creative bone' in my body, so I doubt I'll really get into either.

 

[gerrymander61]

FortressCraft will be good for minecraft. People will play it and if they enjoy it, they'll switch to minecraft because playing it with a mouse and keyboard would much better

 

[RowdyRodimus]

It doesn't matter to me since I bought Minecraft and played a whopping 2 and a half hours of it since early Jan. when I got it and doubt I'll pick this up either.

But I wonder if some of the hate coming from the Minecraft fans is sort of like when WoW was introduced against the (at the time) 800 pound gorilla Everquest? You know you had the one that (pretty much for all intents and purposes) started the MMO phenomenon but was ultimately beat out and forgotten by most to what was pretty much the same thing?

But come on, one is on the PC the other a console. Some prefer one, some the other. Also, if FortressCraft looks and plays as bad as the NDF are saying, then just laugh it off as it fails (which since it, you know isn't competing with Minecraft and is the only one like it on consoles I don't think it will).

You know, it's funny that I see so many people rage against Activision or EA on here about their dominance in the game world and how it's unfair to the other developers and publishers, but then defend Notch and pretty much say he has a right to a monopoly on the building block/resources games. Yeah, there are a bunch of hypocrites on here.

 

[RowdyRodimus]

I haven't played Minecraft yet 'cause it's likely my little 'puter wouldn't be able to run it well. So, I may just try FortressCraft.

That being said I lack any resemblance of a 'creative bone' in my body, so I doubt I'll really get into either.

No, you can run Minecraft on a wristwatch calculator and spit according to all the Notch fans here. That is if you don't count all the threads over on the Minecraft forum about not being able to run it since they screw something up everytime they add exciting features like beds.

 

[Azaraxzealot]

this guy obviously is making a kind of "tribute" to minecraft and just didn't want to wait for a console port or for the updates he wanted in the game, so he built the whole thing himself and added the features he liked

he's making the game for himself, and selling it to people is more like a secondary thing.

Really? Where did you get that information? He told you?

I love it how you act like you are completely aware of some guy's personal motivations behind making this thing even though you don't even know him.

hey, if everyone else is allowed to assume he's a money-grubbing soulless asshole, shouldn't i be allowed to assume he's just a guy making the game he wants to play?

 

[ClassicJokester]

Personally, I find the mods, texture packs, custom skins, and custom servers to be the best part of Minecraft. Unfortunately, it seems that none of these would work fantastically on the 360.

Also, never having to pay for updates (well, you pay once, I guess) is pretty cool.

 

[JackKrauserFtw]

watch this video

EDIT: Yeah, I know the guy in the video comes off as quite an asshole and isn't quite eloquent, but I agree with what he's saying, not necessarily HOW he's saying it.

now, this guy is being very reasonable. people who are getting mad at projector games for releasing a minecraftian game on consoles shouldn't be so pissed.

they don't like it? go play minecraft and stop complaining about a game you'll never play and will most likely have no impact on your gaming experience.

though i don't see how PC gamers or PC gaming elitists come into this, i'm sure the only problems are stemming from jack-offs who are just rabid minecraft fanboys. yes. minecraft is a great game. no, minecraft is not a genre.

yeah, fortresscraft looks almost EXACTLY like Minecraft, but why can't we look at it as being "inspired by" instead of "ripping off of" minecraft? like how people should stop saying all hack-n-slash games are "ripping of of" god of war. Minecraft is not a genre, just like FPS's and RPGs. If Dragon Age is not a rip-off of Dungeons and Dragons, if Medal of Honor is not a rip-off of Call of Duty, if Duke Nukem is not a rip-off of Wolfenstein, then FortressCraft is not a rip-off of Minecraft.

plus, the 3 dollar price tag is VERY appealing to me (seeing as minecraft is more expensive and pirating that game would be, to me, wrong considering how great a game it supposedly is) and to the average consumer. so can every hater on FortressCraft take a step back and actually analyze why the hell they are hating on something that doesn't want to do anything more than bring a resource-gathering constructionist game that looks like minecraft to the consoles?

And why do you want to not let console gamers enjoy what you enjoy? it makes no sense, it's not like us playing a DIFFERENT GAME is going to ruin Minecraft for you >:|

My problem isn't that they are doing it, its how they are going about it. They are pretending like this is a brand new concept for a game. Also i believe its a gross misuse of intellectual property

 

[thegermanguy]

ok, you're right. I mean, good ideas do get copied all the time. Sometimes with very good results. For example, god of war did not invent the idea of quick time events, but did a great job with them.

I think this game can be a great opportunity for xbox-gamers to experience a minecraft-esque sandbox game.

And hey, Minecraft is updated almost weekly and still in beta! That means, all the good ideas from FortressCraft could also be included...

 

[emion]

saw this documentary about the minecraft creatures on gametrailers.com and Im pretty sure they don't have the capacity to make it a console game. they are like 8 people and they have to (more or less) start from scratch. which would have taken as long time as making the pc version right???

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/documentary-kickstarter-minecraft/710787

 

[Lucifron]

yeah, fortresscraft looks almost EXACTLY like Minecraft, but why can't we look at it as being "inspired by" instead of "ripping off of" minecraft?

Please tell me that you are fucking kidding. For the love of humankind, our solar system, our galaxy, our universe, and all that is beautiful, tell me that you are kidding.

[small]Please.[/small]

Spoiler: Guess not.

If Dragon Age is not a rip-off of Dungeons and Dragons, if Medal of Honor is not a rip-off of Call of Duty, if Duke Nukem is not a rip-off of Wolfenstein, then FortressCraft is not a rip-off of Minecraft.

AAAAH! What in the seven hells are you on!?!?!? The game is called FORTRESSCRAFT! They copied. every. single. fucking. feature. and. idea. and. changed. a. single. word. IN. ITS. FUCKING. TITLE!

The original intent of these people was to create a DwarfFortress-ish game. They got stuck in development. Can you guess what they did in order to relocate their muse?

They played a shit-ton of MineCraft.

This is not an homage. This is not an act of inspiration. This raw, back-to-basics plagiarism in order to take advantage of an empty niche in the market. (Which is not the issue here.)

Your examples are unfit. Your logic is hugely flawed. Medal of Honor was originally released long before Call of Duty. Stop kidding this forum and yourself.

Good day.

 

[Codeknight]

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The problem people have with Fortresscraft isn't that it it takes minecraft's concept and tries to make it their own, they aren't. It's that it is almost an exact copy of minecraft, literally block by block.

As for minecraft not being made for any consols, do you have any idea how much work a game takes to make? Not to mention how few are working on it. I have no doubt a console version was discussed at Mojang, maybe they even planed for it. Look at linerider, that game has been out for a long time and is incredibly simple. how long did it take to come out on the ds? How long do you think it would take for a few guys to port a game that's not even finished yet to a console?

The general argument against people pointing out things like this is "[game] is just a copy of [somewhat similar game]. [another game] is just a copy of [less similar game]" with the list getting more obviously pulled out of their a**es, "Every game is just a copy of pong" comes to mind. The thing is, when a game takes an idea and takes it in a different direction, THATS when progress is made. do you think we'd be anywhere if everyone after pong saw how popular it was so they all made variations of tennis?

As for games that are the same but don't really get ripped on, like pretty much all fpses, if you have your own story to tell and are changing graphics around at least then it's fine. Sure the core mechanics are copied but threw a different story they can be explored in new ways. In a game like minecraft where there is no story a copy also with no story, or a story shoehorned in, doesn't do anything to improve it. Sure there are now HD graphics but does that really change much? In my opinion it makes the game less appealing and that's about it.

Wow, lots o' text there. Heh.

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[Zhukov]

This isn't about console/PC wars or elitism. At least not for me.

It's about the shameless ripping off of established successes.

Hell, I don't even particularly like Minecraft and this still annoys me.