Don't hate on FortressCraft just on principle. Please.
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The only gameplay you've seen so far is just multiplayer lego. Similar to Minecraft Classic and Infiniminer. Notch put his own ideas to change Classic into Survival, DJ Arkus will do the same. If everything that has been mentioned will be put into the game, it will be vastly different to Minecraft. Just because the core gameplay mechanics are similar, doesn't mean it's a "shameless ripoff." Be patient and allow the developer to make the changes. Were you upset when COD ripped off Medal of Honor?minimacker said:
Other than that, I'll definitely be getting this. I own Minecraft, but my computer has trouble running it.
well I can't speak for everyone I payed 15 bucks for minecraft and if I dunno lost 15 on the stock market I wouldn't be too pissed off but the fact is it is stealing an idea which just rubs me the wrong way now minecraft may have borrowed from dwarf fortress(or atleast that is what people are saying) but to me taking someones idea and improving the graphics and releasing it is just bad, and it isn't like someone took a xbox game and made it ps3 because not everyone who owns a ps3 owns an xbox and vis versa but I think most people own a computer that can run minecraft so this just seems like stealing someones idea rather then trying to reach a broader audience.Samechiel said:
1: This guy in this video actually makes me hate this FortressCraft, when before I didn't really care, this guy is such a douche. Also, NGT are notorious for being cheaters in console games, such as Modern Warfare 2. Oddly enough, cheating on the console (which they do), requires the use of a PC.
2: You don't need a big time PC to play Minecraft, saying "I'm not a PC gamer, so I won't play it" is a really REALLY stupid argument. A basic needs PC can play Minecraft on reasonable settings, no problem.
3: I do think its pretty much a rip-off, and since Minecraft came out first, is supported by a fellow I like (Notch), and only cares about 1 thing really, giving me a fun experience, I will continue to play Minecraft and not purchase FortressCraft. FC is not just a "sort-clone" or the same "style"...its the SAME GAME. I can't make a game 99% identical to another game without them suing the pants off of me, nor should this guy. I'm pretty sure IF Notch sued, which I doubt, he'd probably win.
2: You don't need a big time PC to play Minecraft, saying "I'm not a PC gamer, so I won't play it" is a really REALLY stupid argument. A basic needs PC can play Minecraft on reasonable settings, no problem.
3: I do think its pretty much a rip-off, and since Minecraft came out first, is supported by a fellow I like (Notch), and only cares about 1 thing really, giving me a fun experience, I will continue to play Minecraft and not purchase FortressCraft. FC is not just a "sort-clone" or the same "style"...its the SAME GAME. I can't make a game 99% identical to another game without them suing the pants off of me, nor should this guy. I'm pretty sure IF Notch sued, which I doubt, he'd probably win.
Firstly: I'm a consoler. My laptop cost £250 and shows it, and I'm sure as hell not trying to run triple-A games on it. So I'm not part of the 'elitist pc-regime' that the guy in the video seems to live his life in morbid fear of and in opposition to. And yet while I think it's a good thing that console-only players will finally get a taste of the awesome that is minecraft, I can't help but fear that it will be a dumbed down, all round weak game. I may be wrong. And I'm not saying that cos I'm hating on consoles, I'm saying that because the xbl marketplace has jaded me.
I don't agree with the first thing this guy says. I must be an anomaly because I am a console gamer who is playing Minecraft on the computer. I also think it is funny that he calls people who say it is a rip off are ignorant then goes on to say that they are all PC elitists. I do feel it is a rip off and his argument that it is taking the idea and adding new features which is what a lot of games do so it is ok. I will be honest whenever I see games that are similar it annoys me.Then the argument that notch took most of the parts of Minecraft from Infinimier. Yes Notch copying game play from an unfinished, unknown game that has its software on line for free. Is the same as that guy(Cannot remember his name) copying most of a game which has sold over 1 million and does not have its software on line for free, adding some new features, taking half of the name and putting it on XBL.
The only reason the game is being made is due tot he fact that Minecraft is a popular game.
If minecraft wasn't popular, would this game exist?
I know a lot of people say "Minecraft was inspired by whatever" and yes, it was, however, Notch took that concept and expanded on it.
All we're seeing with Fortress craft is copying, the concept isn't being developed, it's the same concept, same blocks, same mechanics, nothing new, just a straight rip.
If minecraft wasn't popular, would this game exist?
I know a lot of people say "Minecraft was inspired by whatever" and yes, it was, however, Notch took that concept and expanded on it.
All we're seeing with Fortress craft is copying, the concept isn't being developed, it's the same concept, same blocks, same mechanics, nothing new, just a straight rip.
Well there is inspired by and then there's blatantly ripping off. This game falls into the latter group. If you look at this and Minecraft, you will see very little difference. Some slightly different graphics and maybe a gameplay change here or then and you've got Minecraft (or vice versa). Now this might be fine if Minecraft had been dead (or at least no longer steaming ahead) but it's not. Minecraft has exploded onto the PC scene and has raised alot of people's interest. Then Fortresscraft comes along and decides to make a game that's near identical? Welcome to capitalism, this happens all the time with all sorts of other products.
The only reason why I don't hate the game is because it's for the consoles. Which means it can coexist with Minecraft (PC gamers get Minecraft, Console gamers get Fortresscraft). If it weren't for that though, I'd write off Fortresscraft as a lame attempt at cashing in on the newest "big thing".
The only reason why I don't hate the game is because it's for the consoles. Which means it can coexist with Minecraft (PC gamers get Minecraft, Console gamers get Fortresscraft). If it weren't for that though, I'd write off Fortresscraft as a lame attempt at cashing in on the newest "big thing".
OP I'm sorry, at this moment I actually to a point, agreed with you, until I started watching that video you linked, and quite frankly, It angered me so much I slammed my laptop closed so hard it reset.
That guy is the most ignorant big headed wool minded piece of pathetic rotted minded dribble inducing lizard eater I have ever had the ultimate displeasure of seeing in a web video. This is NOT the man you want defending any side of any argument anywhere. He might have said some true and worthwhile things I will never know because I could not be slathered through his hate filled console elitist ignorant babble to actually listen, and I'M A CONSOLE GAMER. That guy is a prime example why there is a feud between any console including the PC because he can't actually seperate himself from the idea that not everyone is out to get him. The people that are angry about minecraft probably don't care at all that its going to Xbox, they care because they are seeing a game they love created by a true independent who practically single handily created a game that sold 1 million copies and continues to strive to make the game better have his work stolen, damn near copied exactly except a texture update and sold!
Would the outcry be as loud if this person wasn't selling it, I doubt it. Hell I bet the outcry wouldn't even be so loud if the game was actually finished, but its in Beta, from what I watched of that video before I exploded in rage, he mentioned that if Notch was such a marketing genius he would have ported to XBOX. However the game is in Beta and we know that XBOX does not allow for free updates or free DLC, IE the Team Fortress fiasco. Perhaps Notch in his quest to make the game the best that he could was waiting until he had an actual FINISHED PRODUCT before he ported to XBOX.
Ok I'm cooling down and my rant is closing, but OP seriously if you want to defend Fortresscraft fine, I agree that its not technically copyright infringement but I do think its deceitful, underhanded, and just an opportunist trying to pad his own wallet, but if you do want to defend it, separate yourself from that egotistical Console elitist bigot or your words will fall on deaf ears my friend.
That guy is the most ignorant big headed wool minded piece of pathetic rotted minded dribble inducing lizard eater I have ever had the ultimate displeasure of seeing in a web video. This is NOT the man you want defending any side of any argument anywhere. He might have said some true and worthwhile things I will never know because I could not be slathered through his hate filled console elitist ignorant babble to actually listen, and I'M A CONSOLE GAMER. That guy is a prime example why there is a feud between any console including the PC because he can't actually seperate himself from the idea that not everyone is out to get him. The people that are angry about minecraft probably don't care at all that its going to Xbox, they care because they are seeing a game they love created by a true independent who practically single handily created a game that sold 1 million copies and continues to strive to make the game better have his work stolen, damn near copied exactly except a texture update and sold!
Would the outcry be as loud if this person wasn't selling it, I doubt it. Hell I bet the outcry wouldn't even be so loud if the game was actually finished, but its in Beta, from what I watched of that video before I exploded in rage, he mentioned that if Notch was such a marketing genius he would have ported to XBOX. However the game is in Beta and we know that XBOX does not allow for free updates or free DLC, IE the Team Fortress fiasco. Perhaps Notch in his quest to make the game the best that he could was waiting until he had an actual FINISHED PRODUCT before he ported to XBOX.
Ok I'm cooling down and my rant is closing, but OP seriously if you want to defend Fortresscraft fine, I agree that its not technically copyright infringement but I do think its deceitful, underhanded, and just an opportunist trying to pad his own wallet, but if you do want to defend it, separate yourself from that egotistical Console elitist bigot or your words will fall on deaf ears my friend.
not the most friendly sod I've ever seen. but I do think a minecraft-like game on the console is a GREAT idea. I'm not a hardcore gamer for any particular medium(they're all evil corporations out for my money, so why play favorites?) but any chance for everyone to get a style of game like this is a move in the right direction. It seems a shame that notch didn't consider it or decided against it. then again maybe after he makes a bunch more money he might consider an official port of minecraft
I haven't played Minecraft yet 'cause it's likely my little 'puter wouldn't be able to run it well. So, I may just try FortressCraft.
That being said I lack any resemblance of a 'creative bone' in my body, so I doubt I'll really get into either.
That being said I lack any resemblance of a 'creative bone' in my body, so I doubt I'll really get into either.
FortressCraft will be good for minecraft. People will play it and if they enjoy it, they'll switch to minecraft because playing it with a mouse and keyboard would much better
It doesn't matter to me since I bought Minecraft and played a whopping 2 and a half hours of it since early Jan. when I got it and doubt I'll pick this up either.
But I wonder if some of the hate coming from the Minecraft fans is sort of like when WoW was introduced against the (at the time) 800 pound gorilla Everquest? You know you had the one that (pretty much for all intents and purposes) started the MMO phenomenon but was ultimately beat out and forgotten by most to what was pretty much the same thing?
But come on, one is on the PC the other a console. Some prefer one, some the other. Also, if FortressCraft looks and plays as bad as the NDF are saying, then just laugh it off as it fails (which since it, you know isn't competing with Minecraft and is the only one like it on consoles I don't think it will).
You know, it's funny that I see so many people rage against Activision or EA on here about their dominance in the game world and how it's unfair to the other developers and publishers, but then defend Notch and pretty much say he has a right to a monopoly on the building block/resources games. Yeah, there are a bunch of hypocrites on here.
But I wonder if some of the hate coming from the Minecraft fans is sort of like when WoW was introduced against the (at the time) 800 pound gorilla Everquest? You know you had the one that (pretty much for all intents and purposes) started the MMO phenomenon but was ultimately beat out and forgotten by most to what was pretty much the same thing?
But come on, one is on the PC the other a console. Some prefer one, some the other. Also, if FortressCraft looks and plays as bad as the NDF are saying, then just laugh it off as it fails (which since it, you know isn't competing with Minecraft and is the only one like it on consoles I don't think it will).
You know, it's funny that I see so many people rage against Activision or EA on here about their dominance in the game world and how it's unfair to the other developers and publishers, but then defend Notch and pretty much say he has a right to a monopoly on the building block/resources games. Yeah, there are a bunch of hypocrites on here.
No, you can run Minecraft on a wristwatch calculator and spit according to all the Notch fans here. That is if you don't count all the threads over on the Minecraft forum about not being able to run it since they screw something up everytime they add exciting features like beds.zombiesinc said:
hey, if everyone else is allowed to assume he's a money-grubbing soulless asshole, shouldn't i be allowed to assume he's just a guy making the game he wants to play?Hardcore_gamer said:
Personally, I find the mods, texture packs, custom skins, and custom servers to be the best part of Minecraft. Unfortunately, it seems that none of these would work fantastically on the 360.
Also, never having to pay for updates (well, you pay once, I guess) is pretty cool.
Also, never having to pay for updates (well, you pay once, I guess) is pretty cool.
My problem isn't that they are doing it, its how they are going about it. They are pretending like this is a brand new concept for a game. Also i believe its a gross misuse of intellectual propertyAzaraxzealot said: