Wait, what? So that's your system? How they sound determines whether or not they're illegal immigrants? How does that make any sense?Kitsuna10060 said:95% white up here. i am not joking when i say i am surprised to see a black or any other ethnic group up here, though for me to go 'eeyup, illegal' they pretty much have to start talking
So you hate capitalism? That's not a "You disagree with me because you hate freedom" sort of answer, either. If you despise someone because they can do the same work that you do for less money, you are hating the essence of capitalism. The Irish worked for less money than 'native' citizens when they first showed up. Should we have kicked them out of the country, too?Kitsuna10060 said:ah, sorry, given your prior argument of how cheap they work for,
Alright, then tell me: what sort of jobs do illegal immigrants usually take? And then tell me what job sectors are suffering in the economic recession.Kitsuna10060 said:and how many legal citizens are out of work and losing every thing,
Last I checked, the sort of jobs that illegal immigrants are taking are exactly the sort of jobs the baby boomer generation raised their kids to think were something to be ashamed of. Anything in the food industry, anything that needs a uniform...it's one of that generations greatest faults. But that aside, what job fields do you think are being hurt by the presence of illegal workers?
In the same sense that the people starving to death "aren't helping matters" during a famine.Kitsuna10060 said:that's the big one right now (even if the actually fualt for that situation isn't their fault, that the blame for that lies in DC and the corporate board room, but they aren't helping matters) which is sadly all i got :/
*facepalm* The slippery-slope argument isn't about political correctness: it's a logical fallacy. The same logic as what you're using here is what would dictate that, say, someone who smokes cannabis will definitely be shooting heroin into their eyeballs within a month of first lighting up.Kitsuna10060 said:yeah >.> i know that's a slippery slope there, i was hesitant to put it in, but, I'd rather be honest then PC.
Thirty. Because you said "30 years of upbringing," and that wouldn't make any sort of sense unless you were somehow bigoted before you were even conceived.Kitsuna10060 said:what i meant was it'll take a lot to change my mind even cement is breakable with enough persistence. how old did you think i was
...and you don't think that it's at all possible that your rather abrasive personality when it comes to race-relations might've soured your interactions with other ethnicities?Kitsuna10060 said:sadly true but, i've never had any long last good interactions with this group, the friends i had turned on me, for no reason i can even now figure out, they whine about rights and heritage, then turn around on piss all over those same things, not to mention bad mouthing whites and demanding a hand out at the same time.
though I'm hoping in all honesty it just the ones up here that suck and not all of them.
Really? "The laws are there for a reason"? Yeah, they're there for a reason, and that reason is people put them there. US immigration laws weren't discovered chiseled on ancient tablets or in some sort of divine edict. If we don't like them, we can change them.Kitsuna10060 said:i should hope they want to be legal, and yes i do understand, if only a little how bad it is down there, it not the kinda thing we should be (but seem to be) turning a blind eye to. the laws are there for a reason, and as much as it sucks down there, it does not make it ok to break them.
And frankly, even if you've had bad experiences with other races, we wouldn't be having those sort of issues nearly to the same degree if we didn't keep giving them reason to think they're being discriminated against. You can't say in good conscience that Mexican-Americans enjoy all the rights of white Americans while Arizona is passing laws that say that United States citizens can be detained without charge because they had the poor sense to look Mexican and didn't carry their passport with them.
Erm...yes. Yes, they did have a motive. To celebrate an important holiday.Volf99 said:I fully acknowledge that the American students have a "certain motive". I just feel that their are Mexican students with the same "certain motive", and I think it is naive to think that while one group of teenage guys have a "certain motive" while the other one doesn't (I realize I'm ignoring girls and being sexist, but being a guy myself I'm speaking from personal experience).
Except that A) the "If I were there, I would have XXXX" answers are usually irrelevant, and B) England doesn't have a large American immigrant population. California does. In a lot of public school districts, you wouldn't think that America was predominantly white if you used it as a sample group. And C) Cinco de Mayo isn't a holiday commemorating Mexico's secession from American rule, followed by a war that Mexico won. Did you forget what the Fourth of July was about?Volf99 said:As I have said before, there is a time and a place. If I was a high school student that transferred to an English high school and I had school in July (I don't know if they have summer vocation) , I would celebrate the 4th of July AFTER school, not during.