DotA Trash-Talking Results in Real-Life Beatdown
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I know you're joking, but I think that deserves an answer. Bone pain is one of the worst pains you can feel since the bones are basically wrapped in a sheath of nerves. Also the bones of the fingers and toes are some of the most delicate in the body due to their narrow length and because only a thin membrane of skin and vascular tissue lies between them and the outside world. They also used batons or clubs, meaning the bones suffered crushing injuries which probably reduced them to several fragments rather than breaking along a single fracture line.buhee said:
Are you saying that the kid is exculpated by being beat up, then? That his bad acts are somehow redeemed because someone did something worse to him? Because that's the logical trap your reasoning falls into... its moral relativism forgives the perpetrator of a lesser evil because he/she falls victim to a greater evil.rembrandtqeinstein said:
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Well hopefully something good will come out of this. Specifically, he'll learn not to be an asshole.
Frankly if more people who trash talked got their asses beat we'd have less trash talking.
The reason people are monsters is they know they can get away with it.
Imagine if harassing an employee at best buy gave them the right to punch the shit out of you? As a fella who worked in retail (and I like to think I'm very nice), this sort of thing would have been a blessing sometimes.
Watching terrible people get what they want is very depressing.
"So wait he calls us all fucking retards, then says he'd beat the shit out of us if he could, and he walks out of here with a TV at 200 dollars off? How does that stop his behavior?"
Driving drunk and wearing a skirt in public are totally different things. In one case you are being a monster and should be treated like one, in the other you are wearing an effing skirt.
So while I do agree nobody should be harmed for how they dress (assuming the clothing is harmless), anyone assaulting people verbally or physically, or endangering other people, deserve an asskicking.
Putting both groups in the same "pool" sees kinda nonsensical.
The reason people are monsters is they know they can get away with it.
Imagine if harassing an employee at best buy gave them the right to punch the shit out of you? As a fella who worked in retail (and I like to think I'm very nice), this sort of thing would have been a blessing sometimes.
Watching terrible people get what they want is very depressing.
"So wait he calls us all fucking retards, then says he'd beat the shit out of us if he could, and he walks out of here with a TV at 200 dollars off? How does that stop his behavior?"
The problem with your example is that if the kid had never harassed them, they'd have never attacked him. If you are to believe it was his actions that brought it on.rembrandtqeinstein said:
Driving drunk and wearing a skirt in public are totally different things. In one case you are being a monster and should be treated like one, in the other you are wearing an effing skirt.
So while I do agree nobody should be harmed for how they dress (assuming the clothing is harmless), anyone assaulting people verbally or physically, or endangering other people, deserve an asskicking.
Putting both groups in the same "pool" sees kinda nonsensical.
I agree that violence is wrong but you come off a little self righteous.rembrandtqeinstein said:
I'll start off saying that no words equate to violence. What those guys did to that kid is inexcusable, they deserve whatever punishment the law has waiting for them. Having said that the internet is still virgin territory and people are not as sensible as they should be yet.
That child who foolishly run his mouth in game would not have done it if he'd been in the school yard, in the street or in a back ally with those youths. He felt safe to do it because he thought he was unreachable. Turns out he's not. I like freedom of expression, I also believe that you should be aware of the consequences.
Depending on what I say and where, I am at risk of violence, imprisonment or losing my job. That is reality, this is not a liberal utopia. I am aware of this and adjust my behaviour accordingly, I also don't get off on being a dick.
If I went to the home team stands at a Liverpool FC home game in an Everton shirt, I wouldn't deserve a beating. I'd probably get one though. We are only surprised this kid was assaulted because; a)the extent of the violence and, b)They tracked him down on the internet. If he'd shot his mouth off after school and talked about their parents etc in an arcade this wouldn't be news. He would not have said those things face to face so it would not have happened.
"Would I say this if the person was infront of me?" is a good rule of thumb for internet/telephone/sms banter.
They had no right to attack him but he does have some responsability for his own safety and to look after himself. He would not have said it in a dark alley but he felt safe to do so because it was the internet.
I run with the "If I were the one doing these things would I want to be treated as I'm about to treat this person." kinda deal.bjj hero said:
But I like yours too.
That's why I'm rarely an asshole to people, I like when people are nice, so to me I wager if I'm nice most the time it'll reciprocate (and almost always it does, except for driving, which is a real world replica of the internet. That car turns people "anonymous" and suddenly their civility goes out the window).
This is where principle and practice are at odds for me. If we could somehow remove all threat of violent reprisal forever and always, you might get a lot more people being dicks to each other. Much of the time, the mere possibility of violent reprisal curtails this sort of thing and neither douchebaggery nor violence occurs. In a practical sense, I quite like that particular outcome.Enkidu88 said:
On the other hand, in the cases where violence does occur in response to someone being a jerk, I categorically oppose it. As a point of principle, I believe it's never ok to commit an act of violence that is not in self defense or defense of another.
To a great extent, this isn't a problem with adults anyway. Adults that I interact with on a daily basis don't treat me with respect because they're afraid I'll beat them otherwise. They do it because they've learned to integrate constructively into society. Children commonly haven't picked up this skill, and they are all over the online gaming community... many of them making a bad name for the ones who are polite and respectful.
How come this doesn't suprise me from the DOTA community?
Because it's in Canada.katsabas said:
