Double Standards, anyone?

[chowderface]

I'm a bit tired of these double standard and gender tension threads. I'm starting to feel sorry for that dead horse now...

There's good eating on a horse, but you can't get at the steak until it's dead.

Umm...wait, sorry, what?

The whole stay-at-home dads are losers thing.

My dad worked from home when I was little, and my mom went out and worked as a vet.
When my dad stopped working, he became a full-time stay-at-home dad, caring for my sister and me.

It just bugs me that people can't accept the idea that a man isn't going out and working, but if a woman stays at home to take care of the kids, no-one bats an eye.

They've done science on this one. And science says: women aren't nearly as progressive as they think they are. In like fifty percent of cases the woman ends up divorcing her husband because she doesn't respect him anymore. Society has expected men to be the breadwinners for so long that it's practically hardwired into our brains by genetics.

I'm not saying women are hypocritical or bad people when they say they want equality and then do double-standardy shit like that. I'm just saying everyone, regardless of which way your privates part, needs to do a little soul-searching and possibly think, really think, for a while about what "equality" really and truly means.

 

[CarlMin]

I don't really see the point with limiting the examples to women. I'm not sure that double standards are overrepresented amongst women, and I guess it also depends on how you define double standards.

I guess one woman I know who seems to have double standards is someone I used to argue about neutering with. Obviously, she is against all sorts of animal abuse but still doesn't care enough to sit down and read about the many medical disadvantages of neutering male dogs. So yeah, there you go.

 

[HotFezz8]

So yeah, my fellow Escapists. Have you ever been faced with the 'double standard' when interacting with women in some shape or form?

My favorite one is when a man makes a mistake, he is whipped at by the woman for making it, to a ridiculous point, but when the woman does it, its all fine. If you try to point out that its actually her fault, you just get more backslash from her, and then it SOMEHOW gets pinned on YOU.

What is your favourite?

lol i know your not asking why this happens, but im going to say why this happens anyway; she decides how much sex you have. ;-)

 

[Quantum Star]

One friend of mine loves to abuse double standards for all they're worth. I'm having a hard time deciphering if she does it for the sake of being funny, (she's a very hyper person) or if she uses this genuinely just to get her way.

 

[Project_Omega]

So yeah, my fellow Escapists. Have you ever been faced with the 'double standard' when interacting with women in some shape or form?

My favorite one is when a man makes a mistake, he is whipped at by the woman for making it, to a ridiculous point, but when the woman does it, its all fine. If you try to point out that its actually her fault, you just get more backslash from her, and then it SOMEHOW gets pinned on YOU.

What is your favourite?

lol i know your not asking why this happens, but im going to say why this happens anyway; she decides how much sex you have. ;-)

Yeah, and when I get rejected for wanting to have sex with her, its okay.

When -I- do it, it's all "You don't love me anymore, you find me ugly, you bastard"

When I try to pull it off on her, she just goes "Man up".

 

[DonMartin]

its not guesswork.

i worked for a utility company for over a decade (during which i drove, from the age of 18, literally millions of miles and wore out several vehicles from new) and was sent on an advanced & defensive driving course during which the instructors laid this (very obviously observable) misconception out clear as day during the classwork.

I'm going to go ahead and counter this, just because it seems like some people here are using this comment as a source that cant be questioned. Which seems weird.

When I learned how to drive, me and my instructor became close friends, partially because I knew his son. Now, he's had that job for almost 10 years now. Before that, he worked as an ambulance driver. Before that, and during, he studied psychology in his spare time, and before he became a driving instructor, he went to all kinds of seminars and courses on basically anything involving driving. From all his experience, one thing has been clear: Men are more reckless drivers. Young men, in particular, have a larger desire to "prove" themselves, it would seem, although that is his personal explanation. Men get into more accidents, that is just a fact.

Now, is this because there are more men driving than women? No. Not at all, if my good friend is to be believed. If the percentage of different sexes driving had any impact on the ones involved in accidents and crashes, it would be almost 50/50, with the scales tipped slightly towards men. However, as of now, men are involved in almost double the amount of crashes than that of women. That doesnt make sense, does it? Also, although men are more likely to be working with jobs that involve driving, (say trucking or transports) an overwhelming percentage of crashes involve ONLY personal cars. Not trucks or tractors. Not 18-wheelers.

You know what? This is what I have been told by a good friend of mine, whom I trust to know about these things. And Im sure Sleekit has an equal amount of trust in whoever gave him his statistics. So who do we trust?

Scroll up to Sleekit's comments at the top of the page. Men actually don't get into accidents more than women. Men are actually just a lot more likely to get a job driving for a living (for example, truckers).

Sleekit, apparently. (Course, at this time I had not given my counter-point) Although with a quick googling, I found this: http://www.sirc.org/publik/driving.pdf, which states, at one point:

"To some extent, of course, these differences may be partially explained by the greater exposure of males to potential accidents due to the relatively higher number of licensed drivers and greater annual mileages. If such factors were at work, however, we would expect a sharp difference between the level of male driver injuries and fatalities and those resulting from being a pedestrian, passenger, cyclist etc. Such a difference is not evident, and the risk-proneness of men while driving is directly reflective of their risk in a wide range of other contexts. This is demonstrated in Figure 2 below, derived from the US Insurance Institute for Highway Safety report, 2001."

This is a study made by The Social Issues Research Centre, 2004. Does it have higher value in this argument than Sleekit's comment?


Seriously, guys. I'm not taking sides here, Im just a bit angry. Not with you, Sleekit, and not with you, RelexCryo. Im just tired and a bit angry with seeing every fucking argument on this issue and many others on this website turn out the same fucking way. Can we be reasonable about this, guys?

I just wanted to post this. I dont want to get dragged into this argument. I just dont care enough about it. What I care about is arguing. And that it's done in a proper fashion.

Sorry if I upset anyone. DonMartin out.

 

[chowderface]

Yeah, and when I get rejected for wanting to have sex with her, its okay.

When -I- do it, it's all "You don't love me anymore, you find me ugly, you bastard"

When I try to pull it off on her, she just goes "Man up".

So tell her to woman up when you don't want to. If that's not equality, I don't know what is.

 

[DarkRyter]

How come, when a woman wants to have sex with a man, it's alright, but when a man does it, suddenly he's a "homosexual"?

 

[Princess Rose]

For years in the UK women had cheaper car insurance.

Last year they had to pay the same as us men and they complained, and I quote, "why should we have to pay more just because we're women"....

I'm sorry ladies, you are paying the same as we've always paid now stick your special treatment up your arse.

Actually, we got/get better insurance rates because we're SAFER DRIVERS than men. So yes, the UK just put in a Woman-Tax on their insurance in the name of equality. **sigh** Those women had a right to *****. If I lived in the UK, I would have.

 

[psychodynamica]

Wait a minute, people are often Hippocrits, liers, crazy or flawed. well isn't this a revolutionary idea.

yes many people have double standards, and they are often funny. but acting like it isn't important or simply saying "i don't know any women/men like this (There two ways i can interpret this, 1. you are lying. 2. you do not know enough people or are completely oblivious to this stuff.)"

OT, my favourite has to be, "do you want come with me for a walk with the dog (her dad would give her a lift to mine, he always does, 20 minute dog walk)" i say, She replies "no, sounds like to much effort." dog walk over i get a phone call "come to my house to watch a movie with me, i am bored (almost hour and a half walk :/)". i reply in turn "thats a really long walk, if i can get a lift or something i might". then i sudddenly get "you are so lazy, don't bother coming i am just going to go to a friends house"....

may i just speak for everyone reading this when i say WHAT. THE. FUCK.

P.S = can we get banned for swearing?

 

[Get_A_Grip_]

"America was founded by slave owners that wanted to be free."
- George Carlin

 

[drisky]

I don't pull double standards on my guy friends and I slap them every time they even TRY pulling them on me.

I hate to break it to you but you hitting them and expecting them not to hit you back is a double standard. If you were a guy and did that your liable to get hit back. Unless you'd be ok with them hitting you back you are pulling a double standard. I'd say in general just stop hitting people.

 

[TastyCarcass]

This is inevitable

 

[artanis_neravar]

P.S = can we get banned for swearing?

No

So yeah, my fellow Escapists. Have you ever been faced with the 'double standard' when interacting with women in some shape or form?

My favorite one is when a man makes a mistake, he is whipped at by the woman for making it, to a ridiculous point, but when the woman does it, its all fine. If you try to point out that its actually her fault, you just get more backslash from her, and then it SOMEHOW gets pinned on YOU.

What is your favourite?

lol i know your not asking why this happens, but im going to say why this happens anyway; she decides how much sex you have. ;-)

Yeah, and when I get rejected for wanting to have sex with her, its okay.

When -I- do it, it's all "You don't love me anymore, you find me ugly, you bastard"

When I try to pull it off on her, she just goes "Man up".

My ex tired that with me, I just stopped confiding in her, and our relationship fell apart. She wasn't worth my time, and any girl who does the same isn't worth your time.

 

[NotSoLoneWanderer]

I come into school limping after a football practice accident (teammate accidentally cross tackled me) and I get detention for being .05 seconds late (had to talk with another teacher before school and rushed to homeroom). About a week later a girl comes in about 5 minutes late being practically carried by her two friends after tripping down some stairs after buying drinks from the vending machine and she gets sent home for the day. Ladies I'm all about equality. If you want it accept the good and the bad.

 

[Rawne1980]

For years in the UK women had cheaper car insurance.

Last year they had to pay the same as us men and they complained, and I quote, "why should we have to pay more just because we're women"....

I'm sorry ladies, you are paying the same as we've always paid now stick your special treatment up your arse.

Actually, we got/get better insurance rates because we're SAFER DRIVERS than men. So yes, the UK just put in a Woman-Tax on their insurance in the name of equality. **sigh** Those women had a right to *****. If I lived in the UK, I would have.

As I had to say to the last 3 people that felt the need to inform me about something I already know allow me to clarify again, I'M NOT A MORON.

I know why women had cheaper insurance.

My point was that women keep banging on about equal rights. If you want equal rights then you get equal rights in EVERYTHING, not just the parts that suit you.

The double standard comes in from having to pay equal to men and then complaining about it. Thats not wanting equal rights.

I can't believe i've had to explain this twice. The thread is about double standards which that is. It's not a debate on why women should get cheaper car insurance. Wanting equal rights to men and then complaining about having to do something equal to a man is a bloody double standard no matter which way you look at it. Whether it's right or wrong having to pay more insurance as a safer driver is for another debate.

 

[smurf_you]

girls can reject guys without any consequense yet if a guy rejects a girl hes seen as a asshole

also guys cant stalk girls as its creepy yet girls can stalk guys and its seen as cute

Actually, these aren't true (at least not with anyone I know) anytime someone gets rejected, someone's going to get hurt over it.

Also, girls stalking guys is just as creepy as the other way around......

yeah but the guy has to sit there and take it, yet the girl, if shes rejected, the whole school wants the guys head on a platter

and i agree stalking is creepy but if you look at articles about either gender the majority responses if its a guy is "ewww, hes creepy and ugly, lock him up forever" while the majority of it when a girl does it is "awww, thats so sweet, shes in love" which we both know IS bullshit for pople to think like that

Fair enough..... I'm glad that I know people that don't act that way I guess, I've never really heard either of those examples irl....

 

[Defenestra]

I have noticed that men and women are often held to different standards, yes.

People have different expectations of others, based upon their sex. For example, a shocking number of people will try to dissuade a woman from pursuing a career in mathematics-rich professions, when there's actually no inherent difference in mathematical ability between the sexes.

Women are under dramatically more pressure to keep their appearances within a certain narrow range, too. We've all seen cosmetics commercials. Watch them carefully to see how they try to convince the viewer that there's something wrong with them, but their wonderful product can fix it, for only a chunk of their income and a chunk of their time. It's a bit like watching religions trying to evangelize, when you think about it. You're broken. Let us fix you. We only want your whole life.

Does this mean that it's fair when a woman employs what amounts to emotional judo to make herself look better, and someone else look worse?

No.

But that some women employ double standards to their advantage does not mean it's okay wen anyone else does it, either.

I'd really like to live long enough to see a significant portion of humanity realize that we're all in this together and stop being dicks to eachother.

 

[Mandalore_15]

For years in the UK women had cheaper car insurance.

Last year they had to pay the same as us men and they complained, and I quote, "why should we have to pay more just because we're women"....

I'm sorry ladies, you are paying the same as we've always paid now stick your special treatment up your arse.

That's the kind of mentality that got us into this situation. Sure, it seems on the surface that it's special treatment, but really everyone loses out because of this new law. Families will now have to spend more on car insurance that is rising anyway, as there was no way the insurance companies were going to lower men's insurance. All this results in is working and middle-class families getting squeezed for even more money, when everything is costing more and there are less public services than before.

Besides, even looking at it as special treatment in the first place is wrong. It isn't, because insurance companies have to calculate what broad sectors of people should pay based on statistics. If women statistically have less accidents, they pay less. It's just common sense. The ECJ have fucked with this and given insurance companies a free-ride to charge more for no good reason.

In short: a typical ECJ judgement. A "principled" ruling with absolutely no thought put into how it will actually work in application.

Scroll up to Sleekit's comments at the top of the page. Men actually don't get into accidents more than women. Men are actually just a lot more likely to get a job driving for a living (for example, truckers).

To be honest I can't see any compelling evidence of that. Considering how well established the whole women getting into fewer accidents thing is, it's going to take more than simply anecdotal evidence to convince me.

 

[DarthSka]

Well, just the other day, my girlfriend and I were about to head out from my place. She tripped on something, let out an annoyed yell, and punched me square in my back (this one actually hurt a bit). She instantly said she was sorry. Her explanation was, "I just got so mad that I had to hit something." So, if I had used that logic in a situation where I punched her, she would be totally understanding, right? Yeah, no. I'd be in jail by now.