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I don't quite get all the hate being leveled at Bioware, even in this thread alone. Yeah, ME3 had some bafflingly idiotic design choices here and there (I swear being stuck with those 2 chatty security guards is my new vision of hell) and DA2 was 45% utter crap, but the other 55% was pure gold. The combat system was competent and fun but the fights dragged on too long. The world was interesting but it was all copy paste. For every bullshit story twist there was a really good piece of character development. Merril and the pirate lady were quite fun companions, Anders was at least tolerable which is more than I can say for Alistair although the Dwarf and your characters siblings were fucking horrendous...
Anyway I'm sure DA3 will be pretty damn good, a chance to explore a new locale would be nice too...
Anyway I'm sure DA3 will be pretty damn good, a chance to explore a new locale would be nice too...
krazykidd said:
No, Dragon Age was never set up as a trilogy. That was one of their excuses for making a new protagonist for DA2. I think the idea was that they make a setting (Thedas/TheDAS- The Dragon Age Setting) in which they could make a bunch of games telling different stories. Though I suppose it's possible that DA3 will be the last.
Did he?Fr said:
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Does anyone like Fenris? He has to be the most one-note and out-of-place (in his visual design) characters in RPGs. I know he had to write DA2 in a hurry, but geez.
Though I have to say this: Much of what Gaider has written have been good enough for what they are. Origins being one example. He wrote Shale (and HK-47, the original Shale), for crying out loud. How can the same man who wrote Shale also write Fenris? It's like Hepler. She wrote the Dwarven Commoner origin (which is actually my favorite in the first game), but also wrote Anders in DA2.
I guess everyone is capable of stumbling into something bad. Or they can stumble into something good, depending on your perspective.
I for one loved DA2. The only flaw for me was only having those 6 to 7 dungeons that they reused over and over.DustyDrB said:
I tried to get into DA:Origins before my copy of DA2 came on launch day, but I just couldn't get into it. I hated the combat, leveling/ability system, characters(all of them felt similar in their premise and make up), and I found the dialogue system to be an archaic jumbled mess.
I hope they don't hose up the revamping that they did with those things in DA2, because those changes were the reason DA2 was my game of the year that year and thought it was worlds better than DA:O.
I'll be okay if they make only slight changes for DA3, but if they totally revert back to what they did with those things in DA:O, it will be a deal breaker for me.
If it miraculously turns out to be good I shall still buy it used. I don't want any of my money going to EA.
I'm...cautiously optimistic. I've accepted that origins was likely the last time we actually get real dialog options, and not just shades of ambiguous "attitude". That's a really major thing for me but I've accepted the majority wanting a talking PC and not requiring so much reading (being nice...)
I think this game may be the last straw/teetering point for what's left of Bioware. TOR from what I understand hemorrhaged a lot of money from EA. Dragon Age 2 performed under expectations critically and financially, causing most DLC to be cancelled. Mass Effect 3, despite making money, caused a massive fan backlash that required EA to spend money on the development of DLC to fix the ending that they received no money back for. A handful of the biggest players have jumped off the ship.
Due to what I assume are these reasons, Dragon Age 3 is not being rushed, and that some time is being spent making sure it's done right, or at the very least more successful than 2. I think Bioware knows that there's a lot riding on this game, and if it is in a large percentage similar to DA2 then it cannot make back the money that's been put into it over this time. I could be entirely wrong about this, but I can't help but think that this game is incredibly likely to fall into the category of either "redemption that saves the company's future" or "final nail in the coffin for all this wasted money by EA".
Please, no matter what though: Optimize the PC version and make the UI, menus, and combat suited to the platform (does not require being exactly like Origins). Do not wall off a bunch of characters and story as DLC, make a damned Gamestop pre-order bonus of a sword if you want, but don't make me pay 100+ dollars (yeah U.S., I feel for you in other countries) to play the game you made. This game doesn't need multiplayer. Do not divert resources from the single player experience to jam a bunch of people in a field to hit each other with swords and magic.
Thank you for your time and sorry for the long post.
I think this game may be the last straw/teetering point for what's left of Bioware. TOR from what I understand hemorrhaged a lot of money from EA. Dragon Age 2 performed under expectations critically and financially, causing most DLC to be cancelled. Mass Effect 3, despite making money, caused a massive fan backlash that required EA to spend money on the development of DLC to fix the ending that they received no money back for. A handful of the biggest players have jumped off the ship.
Due to what I assume are these reasons, Dragon Age 3 is not being rushed, and that some time is being spent making sure it's done right, or at the very least more successful than 2. I think Bioware knows that there's a lot riding on this game, and if it is in a large percentage similar to DA2 then it cannot make back the money that's been put into it over this time. I could be entirely wrong about this, but I can't help but think that this game is incredibly likely to fall into the category of either "redemption that saves the company's future" or "final nail in the coffin for all this wasted money by EA".
Please, no matter what though: Optimize the PC version and make the UI, menus, and combat suited to the platform (does not require being exactly like Origins). Do not wall off a bunch of characters and story as DLC, make a damned Gamestop pre-order bonus of a sword if you want, but don't make me pay 100+ dollars (yeah U.S., I feel for you in other countries) to play the game you made. This game doesn't need multiplayer. Do not divert resources from the single player experience to jam a bunch of people in a field to hit each other with swords and magic.
Thank you for your time and sorry for the long post.
I just can't get myself to care. I had issues with Origins to begin with. The 3 main quests spanning 3-6 hours each with no respite just felt like a death march, the only reason I got 2 to begin with was because Awakening felt like it was on the right track.
And damn, I didn't hate the mechanics of the game itself, but that ending felt like a prototype for all of ME3's problems.
I may end up getting it on sale if there's no massive shitstorm after release, but BioWare is no longer in a position to sell me anything based on concept art and motivational seminars.
And damn, I didn't hate the mechanics of the game itself, but that ending felt like a prototype for all of ME3's problems.
I may end up getting it on sale if there's no massive shitstorm after release, but BioWare is no longer in a position to sell me anything based on concept art and motivational seminars.
Not necessarily. In DA:O my favorite backgrounds were the Mage and either Dwarf background. Maybe that's just because I enjoy having an underdog kind of vibe (or a rise above the racism kind of vibe, however you want to word it). Regardless, I don't really like being the douchebag race that stereotypes the other races. Rather, I at least prefer the option to pick them or someone else.kiri2tsubasa said:
This. This EXACT thought.alphamalet said:
The Bioware I once knew and loved is now just some crack addicted whore, and until I see her making several honest attempts to be her old self again... Well I'm afraid it's just better if I don't see her, for my emotional well being, ya know?
I went to check up on her at DA2 and now I am scared for life.
Woo humanity first! Contary to some opinions in this thread, I'd much rather play a racist aristocratic human then some Yankee Dwarf or (Emperor forbid) a bloody Elf.....
Concept art does indeed look pretty snazzy, though I can't see the first bit as anything other then a Native American gazing in awe at a bizarre circus-I do like the idea of ruling over my own castle, hopefully with the chance to become a tyrant.
Concept art does indeed look pretty snazzy, though I can't see the first bit as anything other then a Native American gazing in awe at a bizarre circus-I do like the idea of ruling over my own castle, hopefully with the chance to become a tyrant.
Bioware created their own fantastic world in which to play with.Ljs1121 said:
Their first game Dragon Age: Origins harkened back to older RPG's with multiple races to choose from with an overarching plot about a monster army from the depths threatening the world and a noble trying to use the crisis to his advantage.
The second game was rushed and suffered for it.
There is a whole lot of lore behind it, go to the wiki to find out more
http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon_Age_Wiki
Unlike a lot of the gaming community, I enjoyed Dragon Age 2 (as well as Origins), so I'm looking forward to Dragon Age 3. The only thing I dislike about the features mentioned in the OP is the player character being forced to be human. I would have prefered making an elf.
They're sticking with the voiced protagonist, which is an automatic not buy for me. They can dress it up all they want, but a voiced protagonist is the number one ROLEPLAYING killer for me. Fuck you, my character didn't mean it like that.
The more customization thing is interesting, but we don't know what that means. A castle? Baldur's Gate did that already so whatever.
What upsets me is that they'll be using DA2 as the base which they build from. They've been clear about that on the Bioware forums. When they say that the game has gone back to not having to mash buttons and BE AWUESUM and have a silent protagonist, then I'll know they've started to make Dragon Age the right way again.
DA2 was just Mass Effect with swords. There I said it. If you liked the game, more power to you, but goddamnit that's not what the franchise set out to accomplish at first. Doing a 180 and trying something new for the franchise would have been fine if it occurred somewhere down the line, not for the second fucking game...
The more customization thing is interesting, but we don't know what that means. A castle? Baldur's Gate did that already so whatever.
What upsets me is that they'll be using DA2 as the base which they build from. They've been clear about that on the Bioware forums. When they say that the game has gone back to not having to mash buttons and BE AWUESUM and have a silent protagonist, then I'll know they've started to make Dragon Age the right way again.
DA2 was just Mass Effect with swords. There I said it. If you liked the game, more power to you, but goddamnit that's not what the franchise set out to accomplish at first. Doing a 180 and trying something new for the franchise would have been fine if it occurred somewhere down the line, not for the second fucking game...
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For the sake of fairness HK and Shale are also incredibly one note characters, their note just happens to be highly amusing. And when your competition is the awfulness that are the Standard Bioware Starting Human Companions™, that's all you really need.DustyDrB said: